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Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-20 08:17:07
August 20 2011 08:14 GMT
#2421
On August 20 2011 08:59 FuTuRe89 wrote:
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Not really no, it's at least 7-3 for Yun and Yang isn't far behind. Ex HB doesn't do much when they can get back in instantly and then you're screwed without meter. Also chop is way too slow to be used on reaction against them.

When the gameplan revolves completely around the assumption that you always have meter, it's a testament to how bad the matchup is.


7-3 seems a bit high, maybe 6-4. I just don't want them to buff honda's damage back to what it was in super and instead tone down the twins. But as a boxer player I know how you feel having your damage nerfed T_T


Honda's damage is fine in AE, but that wasn't his only nerf from Super:

- lp.HB can't be used as an anti-air anymore
- j.mp (his best jump-in move) hitbox nerfed
- Ultra 2 is no longer a 0-frame grab like Gief and T.Hawk, you can jump out of it after the startup animation now
- HHS does less chip damage
- Blocked HHS lost some of its frame advantage

+ overall damage nerf. That's a lot of nerfs for someone who wasn't S-tier to begin with.
FuTuRe89
Profile Joined March 2011
20 Posts
August 20 2011 09:19 GMT
#2422
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 20 2011 17:14 Mannerheim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 08:59 FuTuRe89 wrote:


Not really no, it's at least 7-3 for Yun and Yang isn't far behind. Ex HB doesn't do much when they can get back in instantly and then you're screwed without meter. Also chop is way too slow to be used on reaction against them.

When the gameplan revolves completely around the assumption that you always have meter, it's a testament to how bad the matchup is.


7-3 seems a bit high, maybe 6-4. I just don't want them to buff honda's damage back to what it was in super and instead tone down the twins. But as a boxer player I know how you feel having your damage nerfed T_T


Honda's damage is fine in AE, but that wasn't his only nerf from Super:

- lp.HB can't be used as an anti-air anymore
- j.mp (his best jump-in move) hitbox nerfed
- Ultra 2 is no longer a 0-frame grab like Gief and T.Hawk, you can jump out of it after the startup animation now
- HHS does less chip damage
- Blocked HHS lost some of its frame advantage

+ overall damage nerf. That's a lot of nerfs for someone who wasn't S-tier to begin with.


Honda definitely could use his tools back but so could a lot of characters. I wouldn't be too sad if they just made it the same game as super but with the new characters added, I feel like super was much more balanced.
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
August 20 2011 12:56 GMT
#2423
Gods Garden 4 is on, Qualifier finals at the moment.
Mago just lost 0-2 to DRAGONSMASHER (Totalheads|MOV)
Moderatorpachi fanclub http://goto.tl/6DI9 。◕‿◕。
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
August 20 2011 13:06 GMT
#2424
They are probably(hopefully) asleep, so they can't watch anyway
nRoot
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany928 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-20 13:58:16
August 20 2011 13:57 GMT
#2425
On August 20 2011 21:56 pachi wrote:
Gods Garden 4 is on, Qualifier finals at the moment.
Mago just lost 0-2 to DRAGONSMASHER (Totalheads|MOV)

StripFighter4 was close to taking a game off Mago too, great games :D
dasanivan
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-20 14:57:17
August 20 2011 14:26 GMT
#2426
poongko playing right now... this should be interesting

edit : this qualifies poongko for the tournament. so the players are:

INVITEES

Fan Vote
Umehara
Fuudo
Nemo
Tokido
YHC-Mochi
Sako
Kazunoko
Haitani
RF
Uryo

Special Event Qualifiers
Momochi
KOK

QUALIFIERS
Hanamaruki
Itabashi Zangief
Kyabetsu
Poongko


quoted from http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=441577&page=9

nRoot
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany928 Posts
August 20 2011 16:33 GMT
#2427
Uryo's Sakura <3
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
August 20 2011 16:42 GMT
#2428
yea that uryo/nemo match had me on the edge of my seat there
Forever Young
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
August 20 2011 16:45 GMT
#2429
Uryo/Nemo was winner's bracket right?

If so, I'm glad that Uryo and Haitani are still in. I'm fiending for more Haitani.
nRoot
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany928 Posts
August 20 2011 16:45 GMT
#2430
Poongko - Fuudo rematch aww yeah :D
nRoot
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany928 Posts
August 20 2011 16:48 GMT
#2431
On August 21 2011 01:45 Scribble wrote:
Uryo/Nemo was winner's bracket right?

If so, I'm glad that Uryo and Haitani are still in. I'm fiending for more Haitani.

Yea, Poongko - Fuudo is the last round in Winners

you can find a good overview (including qualifier stages earlier) here
http://w.livedoor.jp/ocv/d/GODSGARDEN4

DAT FIRST ROUND :3
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
August 20 2011 16:55 GMT
#2432
man poongko eats hella fei longs u1's
Forever Young
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
August 20 2011 16:59 GMT
#2433
Poongko's unique style sure is good. So far, no one has managed it to copy him. The advantage that he has, no one can actually practice against him ^_^
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
August 20 2011 17:09 GMT
#2434
Tokido vs Mochi atm rooting for dhalsim
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
nRoot
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany928 Posts
August 20 2011 17:23 GMT
#2435
Tokido is so dirty lol, no mercy
Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-20 17:33:15
August 20 2011 17:32 GMT
#2436
Yang vs Fei.. yaay...

Yun vs Yang... yaay...

I just can't get hype over these characters anymore.

e: oh look, Yun vs Yun
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
August 20 2011 17:32 GMT
#2437
Second best Yun vs best Yun now, be happy
Floobie
Profile Joined February 2011
England296 Posts
August 20 2011 17:43 GMT
#2438
For some reason i love seeing option select ultras. No idea why but they make me smile.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51619 Posts
August 20 2011 17:44 GMT
#2439
what is the significance of the godsgarden tournament?
Commentator
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-20 17:53:52
August 20 2011 17:48 GMT
#2440
On August 21 2011 02:44 GTR wrote:
what is the significance of the godsgarden tournament?

Significance? It's basically the tournament with the highest quality of players in it. At least this time, considering that there were qualifiers for the last four spots. Not _that_ many top players are missing, Kazunoko even went to practice on console for this(he plays arcade only). Tougeki isn't as good(this time Mago, Tokido and Daigo don't even participate) and EVO is obviously not.
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