• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:21
CEST 05:21
KST 12:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple2BSL Season 2313Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon101Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Grand Finals ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 544 Double Trouble The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses Mutation # 542 The Ascended
Brood War
General
an AI researcher's take on the ladder bot Bot on ladder BW General Discussion BSL Season 23 Syncronization issues and can't find games
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 1 [IPSL] IPSL is Back With Winter 26-27!
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread All you football fans (soccer)!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Violent-Cooperative Play and…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10074 users

Magic: The Gathering - Page 616

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 614 615 616 617 618 665 Next
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
September 20 2015 18:03 GMT
#12301
On September 20 2015 19:51 BallinWitStalin wrote:
Just as a semi-PSA, I'm not sure if buying a box to try to get an expedition land is worthwhile. I think someone calculated the odds of getting an expedition at around 8% per box, which is pretty low. If you were going to buy a box anyways then go for it, but trying to get an expedition is not the best reason.

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/3ixgbf/he_did_the_math_statistics_of_zendikar/

Those full art basics, on the other hand....

Yeah I got it just because 9 packs + 80 full art lands is a deal I'm completely happy with. And if by some miracle I get that expedition land, I'll just sell it and buy 2-3 more fat packs
Sup.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
September 20 2015 18:08 GMT
#12302
I have pre-ordered two fat-packs and a booster box. My LGS had a decent deal on a booster box + fat pack together, and after that I pre-ordered another fat-pack because of those full-art basics.
EZ4ENCE
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
September 20 2015 20:58 GMT
#12303
On September 21 2015 03:03 dudeman001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 19:51 BallinWitStalin wrote:
Just as a semi-PSA, I'm not sure if buying a box to try to get an expedition land is worthwhile. I think someone calculated the odds of getting an expedition at around 8% per box, which is pretty low. If you were going to buy a box anyways then go for it, but trying to get an expedition is not the best reason.

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/3ixgbf/he_did_the_math_statistics_of_zendikar/

Those full art basics, on the other hand....

Yeah I got it just because 9 packs + 80 full art lands is a deal I'm completely happy with. And if by some miracle I get that expedition land, I'll just sell it and buy 2-3 more fat packs


You don't get 80 lands in a BFZ fatpack, you get 20.
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
September 20 2015 21:20 GMT
#12304
On September 21 2015 05:58 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2015 03:03 dudeman001 wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:51 BallinWitStalin wrote:
Just as a semi-PSA, I'm not sure if buying a box to try to get an expedition land is worthwhile. I think someone calculated the odds of getting an expedition at around 8% per box, which is pretty low. If you were going to buy a box anyways then go for it, but trying to get an expedition is not the best reason.

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/3ixgbf/he_did_the_math_statistics_of_zendikar/

Those full art basics, on the other hand....

Yeah I got it just because 9 packs + 80 full art lands is a deal I'm completely happy with. And if by some miracle I get that expedition land, I'll just sell it and buy 2-3 more fat packs


You don't get 80 lands in a BFZ fatpack, you get 20.

http://wpn.wizards.com/en/products/battle-zendikar

9 Battle for Zendikar 15-card booster packs
1 card box
Player's Guide with complete visual encyclopedia for Battle for Zendikar
80-card full-art basic land pack
1 learn-to-play insert
1 Spindown Life Counter
2 deck boxes
- See more at: http://wpn.wizards.com/en/products/battle-zendikar#sthash.CjF9gqgq.dpuf
Sup.
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
September 21 2015 01:08 GMT
#12305
Will some sort of BR Dash/Control build be viable? With no real great burn spells left in BFZ rotation there's not really much in the way of Mono-Red or any sort of burn deck that I can see, but there's a ton of dash creatures and it looks to me like the format should be reasonably slow with everyone trying out midrange builds the first couple weeks.

Thoughts?
In Inca we trust
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-21 16:26:47
September 21 2015 01:57 GMT
#12306
On September 21 2015 10:08 las91 wrote:
Will some sort of BR Dash/Control build be viable? With no real great burn spells left in BFZ rotation there's not really much in the way of Mono-Red or any sort of burn deck that I can see, but there's a ton of dash creatures and it looks to me like the format should be reasonably slow with everyone trying out midrange builds the first couple weeks.

Thoughts?


I mean I had a guy at FNM who had a dash deck that almost got me dead by turn 5, but once I started doing things he kind of fizzled out. If the format is slow enough, I could see it keeping people honest, especially since the premium removal is largely sorcery speed now.

My Junk midrange deck is losing a fair bit and is going to be worse post-rotation. Brood Butcher, Drana, and Drana's Emissary are so close to playable but not quite there. The new Ob Nixilis is freaking awesome, Greenwarden of Murasa is pretty good (dying to Languish sucks though), Dromoka's Command is maindeckable, Fleecemane gets downgraded to Rakshasa Deathdealer, Downfall gets downgraded to Ruinous Path, and courser gets replace with much slower options...currently considering Wingmate Roc, Greenwarden of Murasa, and Oblivion Sower. Also some amount of maindeck Utter Ends because instant speed removal is at such a premium.

The lands don't change much, Canopy Vista isn't all that great in a 3 color deck where there aren't a ton of basics anyway, it's basically just a fetchable tapland. My current list only runs 3 and 2 Shambling Vents, which are freaking awesome.

All the hand disruption has to go to the sideboard because Transgress the Mind isn't a good enough Thoughtseize replacement and Duress is too narrow at what's probably going to be a creature heavy format, but both are boardable. Green retreat is great against aggro decks, essentially doing a worse Courser impression. Painful Truths also seems pretty good in the control matchup, drawing 3 cards for 3 mana is pretty great, even at the cost of 3 life.

From Beyond is also a consideration, not sure yet.
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-22 22:57:48
September 22 2015 19:38 GMT
#12307
With BFZ coming in at a lower power level than what seems to be leaving with Theros, is it going to allow some decks that might have seen more T1 play to actually get to that point or are we just going to see Abzan dominate everything?

In other news working on a BR/Mardu (can't decide which yet) dragons list. Losing Stormbreath sucks but I'm going to see if Boltwing Marauder will a fitting replacement. Unfortunately no great red or black 3 drop to replace rabblemaster though outside of flamewake phoenix or something

On September 23 2015 06:49 Naracs_Duc wrote:
For your Mardu list
+ Show Spoiler +

4 thunderbreak regent
2 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
2 Kolaghan's, the Storm's Fury
2 Dragonlord Kolaghan

is very similar to

4 Thunderbreak Regent
4 Stormbreath Dragon
2 Dragonlord Kolaghan


Looking at BR instead of Mardu, I don't have the Crackling Doom package which is really the only reason to play it over straight BR at least IMO. I also don't have the Sarkhans/Dragonlords so depending on how much I like this deck/see the Mardu deck perform I can pick up a couple of each if needed. Boltwings are already in my possession so I may as well use em

Currently the deck is looking like this:
+ Show Spoiler +

Creatures (18)
4x Dragonlord's Servant
1x Chandra Fire of Kaladesh (placeholder for a 4th Flamewake)
3x Flamewake Phoenix
1x Ashcloud Phoenix (placeholder for a 4th Thunderbreak)
3x Thunderbreak Regent
4x Boltwing Marauder
2x Kologhan, Storm's Fury

Spells (17)
3x Crater's Claws
1x Crux of Fate
2x Despise
2x Duress
1x Murderous Cut
4x Foul-Tongue Invocation
4x Draconic Roac

Manabase (25, so far)
4x Bloodfell Caves
1x Bloodstained Mire (will look to pick up full playset)
1x Haven of the Spirit Dragon (probably going to grab 1 more as I have 10 dragons)
12x Mountain
7x Swamp

Sideboard
2x Reave Soul
3x Kologhan's Command
2x Outpost Siege
1x Crater's Claws
3x Self-Inflicted Wound
2x Duress
2x Despise


I think ultimately I'll want to pick up a playset of Exquisite Firecraft as Crater's Claws may not cut it. The one good thing about this deck is outside of the servants/flamewakes everything activates the ferocious trigger.
In Inca we trust
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
September 22 2015 21:49 GMT
#12308
On September 23 2015 04:38 las91 wrote:
With BFZ coming in at a lower power level than what seems to be leaving with Theros, is it going to allow some decks that might have seen more T1 play to actually get to that point or are we just going to see Abzan dominate everything?

In other news working on a BR/Mardu (can't decide which yet) dragons list. Losing Stormbreath sucks but I'm going to see if Boltwing Marauder will a fitting replacement. Unfortunately no great red or black 3 drop to replace rabblemaster though outside of flamewake phoenix or something


For your Mardu list

4 thunderbreak regent
2 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
2 Kolaghan's, the Storm's Fury
2 Dragonlord Kolaghan

is very similar to

4 Thunderbreak Regent
4 Stormbreath Dragon
2 Dragonlord Kolaghan
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
September 24 2015 06:10 GMT
#12309
Limited resources just posted the uncommons and commons set review for BFZ, it's something I've been waiting for so thought I'd let others know it is up! lrcast.com
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
September 24 2015 07:16 GMT
#12310
On September 24 2015 15:10 Kickstart wrote:
Limited resources just posted the uncommons and commons set review for BFZ, it's something I've been waiting for so thought I'd let others know it is up! lrcast.com


waiting for evan erwin's set review because pictures
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
September 24 2015 07:36 GMT
#12311
Yeah I want it on youtube so I can look at the cards instead of just remembering the names :@
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
September 24 2015 15:37 GMT
#12312
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/battle-zendikar-event-deck-and-intro-packs-2015-09-24

Holy balls the Event Deck for BfZ. 2 Mythics, Hangarback Walker and Tasigur just to name a few
EZ4ENCE
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
September 25 2015 03:03 GMT
#12313
Best event deck in awhile certainly.

Probably worth picking up just for Hangarback, although the Llanowar and Tasigur and Wraden are all nice
In Inca we trust
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4572 Posts
September 25 2015 06:40 GMT
#12314
It is going to be hard finding the event deck for MSRP at the start.
Mute user function on TL; http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/491245-mute-annoying-users-in-lr-threads
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
September 25 2015 14:58 GMT
#12315
On September 25 2015 15:40 LennX wrote:
It is going to be hard finding the event deck for MSRP at the start.

thinking about much later in the format, maybe 3-4 months into BFZ
In Inca we trust
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
September 25 2015 15:11 GMT
#12316
On September 25 2015 23:58 las91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2015 15:40 LennX wrote:
It is going to be hard finding the event deck for MSRP at the start.

thinking about much later in the format, maybe 3-4 months into BFZ


stuff like this makes me wish wizards had an official store so that we could just buy it straight from them
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
September 25 2015 15:37 GMT
#12317
On September 26 2015 00:11 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2015 23:58 las91 wrote:
On September 25 2015 15:40 LennX wrote:
It is going to be hard finding the event deck for MSRP at the start.

thinking about much later in the format, maybe 3-4 months into BFZ


stuff like this makes me wish wizards had an official store so that we could just buy it straight from them


that would make way too much sense and be way too easy
In Inca we trust
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
September 25 2015 19:16 GMT
#12318


yay~
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 25 2015 19:49 GMT
#12319
On September 26 2015 00:37 las91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 00:11 amazingxkcd wrote:
On September 25 2015 23:58 las91 wrote:
On September 25 2015 15:40 LennX wrote:
It is going to be hard finding the event deck for MSRP at the start.

thinking about much later in the format, maybe 3-4 months into BFZ


stuff like this makes me wish wizards had an official store so that we could just buy it straight from them


that would make way too much sense and be way too easy

A store cannot live nationally off of magic alone (note that you don't see SCG and CFB stores all over the US). Having said that, some stores are able to survive in niche local areas as magic only (see the CFB and SCG stores, as well as rare local stores). If they were to skip the stores and sell directly to people stores would die and their game would die.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4572 Posts
September 26 2015 03:13 GMT
#12320
On September 26 2015 04:49 Risen wrote:
A store cannot live nationally off of magic alone (note that you don't see SCG and CFB stores all over the US). Having said that, some stores are able to survive in niche local areas as magic only (see the CFB and SCG stores, as well as rare local stores). If they were to skip the stores and sell directly to people stores would die and their game would die.


Hasbro can stock up on some magic products in their other stores such as Toys R Us if they want to. I do realise that such specialists shops needs "exclusive" products to stay afloat. They have all the random "premium" products that they need such as FTVs to stay afloat. While it is not much, it is a much needed shot in the arm for the shop owners. I will prefer that those unlimited print run products can be sold at more places so that prices can somewhat stay in check. The fluctuation in prices is mostly due to the imperfect distribution of the available stocks currently.

In my opinion, specialists shops should have priority with the cards according to their core level always. Then if there are any leftovers, more stocks could be diverted to them. After all, the specialists shops will always represents a constant demand unlike other places such as Walmart/Target in the US (and other random mass stores in other countries)
Mute user function on TL; http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/491245-mute-annoying-users-in-lr-threads
Prev 1 614 615 616 617 618 665 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 39m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft412
RuFF_SC2 174
SpeCial 156
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18203
Shine 20
Dota 2
monkeys_forever733
febbydoto53
NeuroSwarm3
Counter-Strike
Fnx 1047
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr41
Other Games
summit1g9203
JimRising 591
PiGStarcraft274
Maynarde168
ViBE97
ArmadaUGS55
Mew2King48
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick447
StarCraft: Brood War
Afreeca ASL 320
[ Show 9 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 69
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
GSL
4h 39m
Yamato Cup
11h 39m
BSL Open Qualifier
15h 39m
BSL Open Qualifier
15h 39m
OSC
19h 39m
Replay Cast
20h 39m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 6h
Soma vs Jaedong
WardiTV Weekly
1d 7h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 12h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Leta vs Soulkey
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Online Event
6 days
FEL
6 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.