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Playguuu
Profile Joined April 2010
United States926 Posts
June 20 2011 17:54 GMT
#721
Best deck post ban with best hate cards: Beast within, slagstorm, pyroclasm, combust, spellskite, dismember, shatter effect, naturalize, thrun, summoning trap, etc.

Valakut here we come.
I used to be just like you, then I took a sweetroll to the knee.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 18:09:59
June 20 2011 18:09 GMT
#722
Totally ignoring the fact that we now have cards like despise, torpor orb and spellskite that hurt Valakut. Spellskite makes each trigger only deal 2 damage, or drain a blue mana, gives you a chance to kill the titan. Not to mention the aggro decks all got much faster and can easily kill before the turn 5 kill Valakut puts out. Splinter Twin is a full turn faster too, and if Valakut skips ramp to hold up hate then Splinter Twin can delay its combo to get counter protection.

I suspect this isn't the point of this thread though, I just saw that and got all defensive all of a sudden.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
June 20 2011 18:12 GMT
#723
On June 21 2011 03:09 TheLink wrote:
Totally ignoring the fact that we now have cards like despise, torpor orb and spellskite that hurt Valakut. Spellskite makes each trigger only deal 2 damage, or drain a blue mana, gives you a chance to kill the titan. Not to mention the aggro decks all got much faster and can easily kill before the turn 5 kill Valakut puts out. Splinter Twin is a full turn faster too, and if Valakut skips ramp to hold up hate then Splinter Twin can delay its combo to get counter protection.

I suspect this isn't the point of this thread though, I just saw that and got all defensive all of a sudden.



I don't see Spellskite being that good vs Valakut at all to be honest, and their are plenty of answers.

Also splinter turn's consistency has been hurt a lot with the loss of Jace the Mindsculptor, I guess they get Foresee instead, but.. one of the good things about Jace vs Valakut was fateseal was so powerful against them, you lose that option now. Valakut has plenty of sideboard options vs splinter, don't see how that deck will keep them out of the format.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 20 2011 18:13 GMT
#724
Yeah splinter twin answers kinda encompass valakut. And everyone will be running splinter twin answers.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
June 20 2011 19:12 GMT
#725
On June 06 2011 09:26 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Is anybody from TL planning on going to Grand Prix: Kansas City in two weekends?

Not only did I go, I made top 8 of the event!
Zero fighting.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
June 20 2011 19:16 GMT
#726
On June 21 2011 04:12 Jaksiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 09:26 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Is anybody from TL planning on going to Grand Prix: Kansas City in two weekends?

Not only did I go, I made top 8 of the event!


Being able to top 8 grand prix events before they happen = freaking epic.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Jswizzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States791 Posts
June 20 2011 19:22 GMT
#727
It amazes me how banning Jace and SFM come about the time that LSV concluded that Valakut was dead. He jinxed us all I guess.
I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 19:27:06
June 20 2011 19:25 GMT
#728
On June 21 2011 04:16 BlueBird. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 04:12 Jaksiel wrote:
On June 06 2011 09:26 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Is anybody from TL planning on going to Grand Prix: Kansas City in two weekends?

Not only did I go, I made top 8 of the event!


Being able to top 8 grand prix events before they happen = freaking epic.

It already happened, the tourney recap is up

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/gpkan11/welcome

It's also worth it to say that no matter what happens, M2012 is coming out in a couple of weeks, and Zendikar as a whole is set to rotate out in a couple months...I doubt the metagame will have time to stabilize after the loss of such powerful cards in such a short time.

Big Red is still good, Valakut is still good, mono black is still good, and Tempered Steel is still good.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
June 20 2011 20:58 GMT
#729
On June 21 2011 04:25 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 04:16 BlueBird. wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:12 Jaksiel wrote:
On June 06 2011 09:26 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Is anybody from TL planning on going to Grand Prix: Kansas City in two weekends?

Not only did I go, I made top 8 of the event!


Being able to top 8 grand prix events before they happen = freaking epic.

It already happened, the tourney recap is up

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/gpkan11/welcome

It's also worth it to say that no matter what happens, M2012 is coming out in a couple of weeks, and Zendikar as a whole is set to rotate out in a couple months...I doubt the metagame will have time to stabilize after the loss of such powerful cards in such a short time.

Big Red is still good, Valakut is still good, mono black is still good, and Tempered Steel is still good.


ah i misread that as happening 2 weeks from now, who were you?

Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
June 21 2011 15:09 GMT
#730
On June 21 2011 05:58 BlueBird. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 04:25 deth2munkies wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:16 BlueBird. wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:12 Jaksiel wrote:
On June 06 2011 09:26 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Is anybody from TL planning on going to Grand Prix: Kansas City in two weekends?

Not only did I go, I made top 8 of the event!


Being able to top 8 grand prix events before they happen = freaking epic.

It already happened, the tourney recap is up

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/gpkan11/welcome

It's also worth it to say that no matter what happens, M2012 is coming out in a couple of weeks, and Zendikar as a whole is set to rotate out in a couple months...I doubt the metagame will have time to stabilize after the loss of such powerful cards in such a short time.

Big Red is still good, Valakut is still good, mono black is still good, and Tempered Steel is still good.


ah i misread that as happening 2 weeks from now, who were you?



Greg Jolin, AKA the guy who lost in the quarterfinals because no one realized an obscure rule was being violated. I contribute draft videos to draftmagic.com and will be writing up a tournament report for that site if anyone is interested. Philadelphia will be the first Pro Tour for me since Hollywood '08, so I'm pretty excited.
Zero fighting.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
June 21 2011 18:22 GMT
#731
On June 22 2011 00:09 Jaksiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 05:58 BlueBird. wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:25 deth2munkies wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:16 BlueBird. wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:12 Jaksiel wrote:
On June 06 2011 09:26 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Is anybody from TL planning on going to Grand Prix: Kansas City in two weekends?

Not only did I go, I made top 8 of the event!


Being able to top 8 grand prix events before they happen = freaking epic.

It already happened, the tourney recap is up

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/gpkan11/welcome

It's also worth it to say that no matter what happens, M2012 is coming out in a couple of weeks, and Zendikar as a whole is set to rotate out in a couple months...I doubt the metagame will have time to stabilize after the loss of such powerful cards in such a short time.

Big Red is still good, Valakut is still good, mono black is still good, and Tempered Steel is still good.


ah i misread that as happening 2 weeks from now, who were you?



Greg Jolin, AKA the guy who lost in the quarterfinals because no one realized an obscure rule was being violated. I contribute draft videos to draftmagic.com and will be writing up a tournament report for that site if anyone is interested. Philadelphia will be the first Pro Tour for me since Hollywood '08, so I'm pretty excited.

You forgot that MC spells only effect the creature and not equipment attached to them? Or some other rule?
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
June 21 2011 18:25 GMT
#732
any of u guys into the commander theme decks? haven't been keeping up for the past year or so, but these edh decks seem hella fun
Forever Young
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
June 21 2011 18:26 GMT
#733
On June 22 2011 03:22 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 00:09 Jaksiel wrote:
On June 21 2011 05:58 BlueBird. wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:25 deth2munkies wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:16 BlueBird. wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:12 Jaksiel wrote:
On June 06 2011 09:26 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Is anybody from TL planning on going to Grand Prix: Kansas City in two weekends?

Not only did I go, I made top 8 of the event!


Being able to top 8 grand prix events before they happen = freaking epic.

It already happened, the tourney recap is up

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/gpkan11/welcome

It's also worth it to say that no matter what happens, M2012 is coming out in a couple of weeks, and Zendikar as a whole is set to rotate out in a couple months...I doubt the metagame will have time to stabilize after the loss of such powerful cards in such a short time.

Big Red is still good, Valakut is still good, mono black is still good, and Tempered Steel is still good.


ah i misread that as happening 2 weeks from now, who were you?



Greg Jolin, AKA the guy who lost in the quarterfinals because no one realized an obscure rule was being violated. I contribute draft videos to draftmagic.com and will be writing up a tournament report for that site if anyone is interested. Philadelphia will be the first Pro Tour for me since Hollywood '08, so I'm pretty excited.

You forgot that MC spells only effect the creature and not equipment attached to them? Or some other rule?


No, the equipment stays attached when you mind control a creature. The rule that was violated was that you can't sacrifice a permanent you don't control. So when my opponent moved his Grafted Exoskeleton from the Tangle Angler I had stolen, the Tangle Angler was actually not supposed to be sacrificed. With an extra blocker, I would have survived the last turn and won on my own turn.

Note that I don't blame anyone for this happening. I didn't know the rule, but it's not something that comes up very often, so I'm not mad at myself for not knowing it. I'm not mad at my opponent because I'm very confident he didn't know it (if he did know, it would be cheating). It's just kind of something that happened, and you shrug and move on.
Zero fighting.
vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
June 21 2011 18:29 GMT
#734
I stopped playing partly because of magic online. Me and my teammates used to gather at each others houses to practice.Then Magic Online came out and they would all practice with that. I was around 14 at the time and couldn't afford it
Magic online is awesome thou if you can afford it but there's nothing like playing with real people.
Jaedong gives me a deep resonance.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
June 21 2011 18:44 GMT
#735
On June 22 2011 03:26 Jaksiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 03:22 deth2munkies wrote:
On June 22 2011 00:09 Jaksiel wrote:
On June 21 2011 05:58 BlueBird. wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:25 deth2munkies wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:16 BlueBird. wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:12 Jaksiel wrote:
On June 06 2011 09:26 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Is anybody from TL planning on going to Grand Prix: Kansas City in two weekends?

Not only did I go, I made top 8 of the event!


Being able to top 8 grand prix events before they happen = freaking epic.

It already happened, the tourney recap is up

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/gpkan11/welcome

It's also worth it to say that no matter what happens, M2012 is coming out in a couple of weeks, and Zendikar as a whole is set to rotate out in a couple months...I doubt the metagame will have time to stabilize after the loss of such powerful cards in such a short time.

Big Red is still good, Valakut is still good, mono black is still good, and Tempered Steel is still good.


ah i misread that as happening 2 weeks from now, who were you?



Greg Jolin, AKA the guy who lost in the quarterfinals because no one realized an obscure rule was being violated. I contribute draft videos to draftmagic.com and will be writing up a tournament report for that site if anyone is interested. Philadelphia will be the first Pro Tour for me since Hollywood '08, so I'm pretty excited.

You forgot that MC spells only effect the creature and not equipment attached to them? Or some other rule?


No, the equipment stays attached when you mind control a creature. The rule that was violated was that you can't sacrifice a permanent you don't control. So when my opponent moved his Grafted Exoskeleton from the Tangle Angler I had stolen, the Tangle Angler was actually not supposed to be sacrificed. With an extra blocker, I would have survived the last turn and won on my own turn.

Note that I don't blame anyone for this happening. I didn't know the rule, but it's not something that comes up very often, so I'm not mad at myself for not knowing it. I'm not mad at my opponent because I'm very confident he didn't know it (if he did know, it would be cheating). It's just kind of something that happened, and you shrug and move on.


From Gatherer:
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=209045
"If Grafted Exoskeleton's last ability triggers, but you don't control the permanent it became unattached from at the time that ability resolves (perhaps because another player has somehow gained control of it), you won't be able to sacrifice it."

So you were right. I would have made the same call as the judge in that case, but I would have been just as wrong. Sucks bro, sorry

MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-30 22:41:01
June 30 2011 22:40 GMT
#736
Solemn Simulacrum is back in M12.

Oh also other stuffs zzz

New Chandra seems decent/good at first glance.
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 01 2011 00:15 GMT
#737
O-Ring is back
Get it by your hands...
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
July 01 2011 00:26 GMT
#738
I just downloaded and installed Cockatrice, is it seriously downloading big full decks for me to play with?! Booya!

I've been looking for a way to play this (very interesting) game without any financial commitment haha. When I play games like this I like to explore a ton of options, so MTG really ain't the sort of game my wallet can handle haha
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
July 01 2011 02:41 GMT
#739
On July 01 2011 09:26 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
I just downloaded and installed Cockatrice, is it seriously downloading big full decks for me to play with?! Booya!

I've been looking for a way to play this (very interesting) game without any financial commitment haha. When I play games like this I like to explore a ton of options, so MTG really ain't the sort of game my wallet can handle haha

it's downloading every card ever so you can make your own decks~

M12 prerelease soon, can't wait to trade for all the Auramancers EVER.
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
July 01 2011 03:25 GMT
#740
On July 01 2011 09:26 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
I just downloaded and installed Cockatrice, is it seriously downloading big full decks for me to play with?! Booya!

I've been looking for a way to play this (very interesting) game without any financial commitment haha. When I play games like this I like to explore a ton of options, so MTG really ain't the sort of game my wallet can handle haha



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