Think bailing is definitely the right choice there
no question about it

I wouldn't have dropped that 7p, looks way too dangerous
What made you drop it?

WastedSunsets

United States8 Posts

August 29 2014 15:30 GMT

#703

On August 30 2014 00:01 JSH wrote:
Think bailing is definitely the right choice there
no question about it

I wouldn't have dropped that 7p, looks way too dangerous
What made you drop it?

Sometimes you have to go full speed off the cliff.

Rhaegar99

Australia1190 Posts

August 29 2014 15:47 GMT

#704

I actually didn't expect anyone to be tenpai, let along two. North was the only player that I thought would be closest to tenpai due to the dora 6s discard. He discarded the 4p previously though so my 7p discard is quite safe vs his non riichi hand. I decided to hold onto the 6p since due to the lack of 45p on the board and there was no need to be greedy with my current position and at this stage of the game,

JSH

United States4109 Posts

August 29 2014 16:12 GMT

#705

I think you should expect people to be in tenpai by 12/13 discard atleast?

I don't think trying to avoid noten penalty is really worth the risk of dealing in, and it's not like you had a yaku either

Rhaegar99

Australia1190 Posts

August 29 2014 17:10 GMT

#706

I'm not too sure that's the best way to play the game. Personally, I like to base how close people are to tenpai by watching their discards. In this round, both east and south are unlikely to have tenpai hands due to their lack of middle tile discards (3-7) so I just need to play around north. I can be wrong but this read is usually fairly accurate. South's last 5p play may have shown that hes in tenpai but I was too focused on North and did not make the connection there.

If I was not houtei or even with 2-3 draws remaining, I would have definitely discarded any tile I draw except for the red 5p (if he hasn't discarded the 2p yet). The 67s discards he made indicates he is unlikely to have any other 6s and two red doras are visible to us. With this information, we can assume his had to be fairly weak. IMO the reward of tenpai is much greater than the risk of feeding into his hand if he had a hand in tenpai.

Being houtei makes it a bit riskier cause of the extra yaku and a wider range of hands that it can hit, and that was enough for me to decide it was not worth the risk to play the tile at this stage of the game.

JSH

United States4109 Posts

August 29 2014 17:44 GMT

#707

Sure, I try to guess at when people are in tenpai or not, but it's still just that, a guess
You can deduce tiles sure and maybe even pretty accurately, but you just can't know for sure

I mean look at my SS from last page:
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Sure he got lucky (sort of) but those sorts of things can happen

From the point totals and seat positions, I think giving up might be better option
Like you said, no point in being greedy with your current position and situation
So why risk it at all?

Like I read your explanation on north hand being weak but what about the others?
You can't be sure they are not in tenpai nor their hands being weak

Rhaegar99

Australia1190 Posts

August 30 2014 04:21 GMT

#708

Its true that those types of hands can occur and I we can never be sure what they have with the information we have, but from experience, they do not happen very often. For me, after weighing the risk and reward, I feel that I'm usually ahead a lot of times, and that a lot of times I would be in an okay spot of I do end up feeding. The difference with houtei is that the risk is more than doubled and that was just enough to change my decision and bail at the very last minute.

I after saying this, I'll need to rephrase what I say earlier. There's no need to be too greedy with my current hand and position. It's fine to be greedy as long as you have assessed the current situation as this is what gets you the edge in the upper lobby. Sometimes things do not work out, but the goal is that you've gained more overall from taking these risks.

JSH

United States4109 Posts

August 30 2014 10:04 GMT

#709

Maybe I need to try to read hands better
I'm still not there so I just play to what I know

I really liked the north hand being weak explanation

Or maybe tenhou just drilled 4th place penalty too much into me so tend to play safe

Rhaegar99

Australia1190 Posts

August 30 2014 10:49 GMT

#710

Yes I think with tile efficiency and never feed mentality, it can still get you a long way. In the lower lobby, it is perfectly fine to play efficient and safe and that's the same strategy I got up to the upper lobby. It's just that once you get there, everyone plays just as well in those areas and in order to beat them you'll need something else.

Hesmyrr

Canada5776 Posts

September 03 2014 15:55 GMT

#711

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2014090400gm-0029-0000-f6ec8f38&tw=3
East 4-2: Hahahahaha them breaks!

JSH

United States4109 Posts

September 06 2014 09:42 GMT

#712

what is this guy doing...

Also:
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Right when I dropped it, I realized I should've dropped the 4m, baiting the 1m for ultimate surprise trap

edit:

What to do...
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Do I bail and drop the 2p (pretty safe), or the 7s (also pretty safe) or discard the 8s?
I ended up dropping the 8

Also looking back, dropping that 2m wasn't exactly bright, maybe I should've went defensive after I drew that

Hesmyrr

Canada5776 Posts

September 07 2014 15:59 GMT

#713

I wouldn't really be able to tell you in all honestly what to do with that hand, already having seen that of the opponents. I probably would have folded though since I generally tend to be really cowardly in most scenarios that threaten the possibility of you becoming the last.

what is this guy doing...

Lol, that must have been misclick trying to press 9 sou right? I also occasionally have cases like that, immediately have to fold immediately after such mistake to maintain "peace of mind" for remaining rounds.

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I have been having a run of good games at the moment, allowing me to reach 5 Dan earlier than expected

JSH

United States4109 Posts

September 07 2014 18:58 GMT

#714

On September 08 2014 00:59 Hesmyrr wrote:

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I have been having a run of good games at the moment, allowing me to reach 5 Dan earlier than expected

\o/

Also, I'm almost 4Dan, just need 120 more points!

Except my Rating is really bad
So I wouldn't be able to join the upper room anyways (1671)

It was close to 1800 before I took that dive bomb back from 3dan to 1Dan

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

September 13 2014 16:35 GMT

#715

What are the chances someone deals into two 7700 hands of mine and still ends up 40000 points ahead of me when I don't deal into any hand at all?

JSH

United States4109 Posts

September 13 2014 16:37 GMT

#716

The other players were feeding like hell huehue

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

September 13 2014 16:49 GMT

#717

Actually, he mostly just tsumo'd four 8000-18000 point hands and a couple of smaller ones. I finished at 25700.

What would you do?

Rhaegar99

Australia1190 Posts

September 15 2014 12:30 GMT

#718

I think there's no right or wrong moves here. You can discard 6p and riichi, discard 6p and not riichi, or play it safe. All these plays look fine to me. If I was to pick, I would yolo riichi all day.

BTW is anyone having issue with the browser client recording replays? I havnt been able to record a game since the 10th of September :/

Hesmyrr

Canada5776 Posts

September 15 2014 15:52 GMT

#719

...What is that background? Looks like some cute thing pierced in the face by the red dagger. Also Rhaegar99 is right, if this is normal mahjong I'd riichi (or maybe even damaten) but since Tenhou is all about last place avoidal there is strpng argument for folding as well.