EPTStyle Will Set You Free - Page 3
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On July 21 2007 10:05 Physician wrote: I what? oOlol.. I knew carnac was going to get a slap for calling it ignorance , but forgive him, he had your best interest at hand, i.e. his intention was good; I even doubt he actually thought you didn't know were the photo came from. As for the photo, rather than dark humor it leans more to morbid humour lol.. style indeed. Keep 'em coming. The only thing I said was that it was funny how the only ones complaining about the picture were Germans, but I didn't personally complain about it at all. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
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Ido
Germany661 Posts
So it didn't set you free - work killed you. That should be obvious. Does style kill you too? I have to agree with PsycHOTemplar, it's just illogical - and by no means funny | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
There are many ways to interpret his use of that picture, but it's clear based on the context in which it was used, that he wasn't actively trying to offend anyone. A picture like that is obviously offensive in and of itself to many people, regardless of how it is used, but I would urge you to consider HonestTea's intentions, which he articulated in his last post in this thread, rather than responding solely to the picture. | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
# psychotemplar, ido: agreed, regardless style or work, no one made it out : ( - mind you , you can make a very sinister interpretation - such as that the nazi's did genocide with a unique style, hence that genocide is remembered before others.. hum.. bah! there is a couple more morbid or dark possible interpretations.. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Perhaps HonestTea was simply referring litterally to the words written on the sign. Perhaps he was trying to symbolize the longing of many mediocre players to acheive greatness. I think a picture of someone releasing a bird (a stylish bird? :O) would have been a much better symbol than than the words on the prison door to a death camp. This is what I mean by it doesn't make sense. In professional StarCraft if you have the 'style' he mentioned, you do get 'set free' because you make lots of money and are able to retire (unlike the many who fail and continue to be un'free'). A picture like that is obviously offensive in and of itself to many people, regardless of how it is used, but I would urge you to consider HonestTea's intentions, which he articulated in his last post in this thread, rather than responding solely to the picture. That is why I believed it was simple ignorance. Though he claims it isn't, I still find it difficult to imagine he has a full understanding of its meaning. On the other hand, maybe I just don't get it. I see no wit, and therefore I didn't find it humourous in the slightest (not even 'dark' humour). Unless Entropy's on the right scent, and he was implying the Nazi's had macro like iloveoov :O (THAT was dark humour ^^ -frankly I don't really even want to keep it in my post because it is incredibly tasteless though-). But TBH that sort of interpretation never crossed my mind. But I digress. What's done is done, and I only hope that in future pursuits he remembers these comments and his decisions are, if only slightly, impacted by them. | ||
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On July 21 2007 23:13 PsycHOTemplar wrote: I think a picture of someone releasing a bird (a stylish bird? :O) would have been a much better symbol than than the words on the prison door to a death camp. This is what I mean by it doesn't make sense. In professional StarCraft if you have the 'style' he mentioned, you do get 'set free' because you make lots of money and are able to retire (unlike the many who fail and continue to be un'free'). That is why I believed it was simple ignorance. Though he claims it isn't, I still find it difficult to imagine he has a full understanding of its meaning. On the other hand, maybe I just don't get it. I see no wit, and therefore I didn't find it humourous in the slightest (not even 'dark' humour). Unless Entropy's on the right scent, and he was implying the Nazi's had macro like iloveoov :O (THAT was dark humour ^^ -frankly I don't really even want to keep it in my post because it is incredibly tasteless though-). But TBH that sort of interpretation never crossed my mind. But I digress. What's done is done, and I only hope that in future pursuits he remembers these comments and his decisions are, if only slightly, impacted by them. don't you talk to HonestTea that way | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
I mean, I knew that some people would be upset. Group hug! | ||
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Ido
Germany661 Posts
On July 21 2007 00:37 HonestTea wrote: I don't mean to say that progaming, or anything else for that matter, compares to history's organized genocides, whether it be the Holocaust, the Khmer Rouge Killing Fields, Sudanese massacre, or any other. I do believe, however, that the phrase "work makes free" and that picture complements the words I wrote and the idea that I was trying to convey. On July 22 2007 04:09 HonestTea wrote: Naw honey it's ok. I mean, I knew that some people would be upset. Group hug! This strengthens my impression that you just didn't understand the phrase "Arbeit macht frei" | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9594/honestteaisamazingsd6.jpg) | ||
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
If you're offended by the image, that's one thing, but stop trying to continue the debate about whether it makes sense or not when your real concern is that you don't like people making light of Nazi related issues. We get that you don't like the use of the image, but you've made your point and now you're just being demeaning. Chill out man. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Or perhaps it was a symbol, as I already said, for the longing of second tier pros to find that style factor and the inevitable fact that they will never get it. Could that be? Would that not make sense? No. It wouldn't. That is the most twisted and obscure explanation of a symbol I have ever heard. If you're offended by the image, that's one thing, but stop trying to continue the debate about whether it makes sense or not when your real concern is that you don't like people making light of Nazi related issues. I'm not particularly offended by the image. I think it's in bad taste, yes, but my main qualm with it is in fact that it's just fucking stupid. Judging from his more recent posts, I'd say he was just trying to get a reaction out of people, seeing as he shows absolutely no remorse, and probably plans to do something similar in his next work. It was unnecessary and not even remotely witty or satirical. We get that you don't like the use of the image, but you've made your point and now you're just being demeaning. Chill out man. I personally hate when people just say "It sucks!" or "I don't like it". I give the explanation I know I would appreciate in reversed positions. I guess I'll stop posting in this thread before I get banned ^^ | ||
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
 I'm not saying you should chill out because you're vividly explaining your objections, I'm saying that because at this point it's redundant. You're at the point where you're repeating yourself. And as far as my 2 cents about the image's meaning, I'm not saying that's what HonestTea was getting at, but it's hardly obscure. I'd go so far as to say that it's a fairly basic interpretation of the picture in that context. | ||
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ram
Lithuania602 Posts
In past times of progaming, all players were'nt so good, so their play style differed a lot. And A LOT of interesting games were played. Now most new players just copy their hyungs and their games get boring to watch T_T | ||
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Locke.
Israel562 Posts
On July 19 2007 13:46 ReTrooper wrote: The last picture is really tasteless. Ruined the whole article for me. Exactly my thought when i got to the end. If it was somehow funny I would still say I don't like the idea. But this was plain and simple dumb.. | ||
micronesia
United States24728 Posts
I find often style and strategy end up being the same thing. They are definitely not always the same thing, but more often than not things are considered 'style' when it's safe to say they are just simple strategy decisions. I think style implies you lean your strategy in a certain direction, even if that isn't seemingly the ideal direction, just because that's how you tend to do it. At first glance, Bisu's style is to do a build that's economically strong, while constantly harrassing and punishing a zerg player. But take his famous 3-0 over savior. Savior was used to being greedy and getting away with it. Bisu's strategy was pretty much the ideal counter. Bisu didn't win because of his style, he won because he knew how to implement the strategy that best countered his opponent's play. Of course, you can say Bisu's attempt to create his own style is how he stumbled across this effective strategy. You can also say Bisu's tendency to use this style of pvz vs other zerg strategies is a stylistic decision since it probably isn't the ideal anymore. | ||
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