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God of the Battlefield: Part 2 - Page 16

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Before we released God of the Battlefield: Part 1, we wondered if it was a wise decision. While no one could question the quality of the article Ver had written, we had to consider the risk of glorifying one of the most loathsome individuals in e-Sports history by releasing an article focused on only his positive aspects.

Thankfully, most of our readers reacted to Part 1 in an intelligent, discerning manner, and were capable of keeping Savior's in-game brilliance in perspective with his out-of-game crimes. While match-fixing still hurts Brood War to this day, and some shameless Savior apologists remain, we believe the majority of our readers are mature enough to appreciate Ver's work in in an appropriate way.

During 2006-2007, Ma Jae Yoon (aka Savior) was the best Brood War player in the world. Not only did he win multiple championships, but he dominated his opposition in a way that had never been seen for the Zerg race. His play captivated the hearts of countless fans, and even the staunchest critics were forced to admit that he was one of the greatest of all time.

His career began on a sharp decline in March 2007, after a loss to Kim Taek Yong (Bisu) in the MSL Final. Though he would retain the loyalty and support of many fans - and occasionally show them flashes of his past brilliance - he would never challenge for a title again.

In 2010, Savior was implicated in one of the most devastating events in e-Sports history, the pro-gamer match fixing scandal. Nearly a dozen progamers had received bribes to intentionally lose their matches, which were bet upon by a handful of shady parties on illegal e-Sports gambling websites. Korean courts found Savior guilty of being a broker, a middle-man between the gamblers and the bribed progamers, though it is suspected that he may have been more directly involved as well.

Savior was sentenced to one year in prison (this sentence has been suspended for 2 years; sentencing occurred in May 2010). Furthermore, all of the progamers implicated were given life-time competition bans by KeSPA (the governing body for BW e-Sports in Korea). GomTV has stated that the banned players are also barred from competing in their StarCraft II leagues.

Though Savior seriously undermined the institution of e-Sports through his despicable crimes, it is possible to separate his faults as a human being from his accomplishments as a player. Though he was rightfully banned from playing the game that brought him fame and fortune, it is undeniable that he was one of the most brilliant RTS players in history, and that he left a significant, lasting mark on the way the Brood War is played.


- Waxangel
.Rogueonerfed.
Profile Joined June 2012
Hungary63 Posts
March 28 2013 18:00 GMT
#301
Wow,this was awesome!
*,..,*
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
March 28 2013 18:04 GMT
#302
Damn.

Even as a Revolutionist fan, I can't do anything but respect Savior's game. It's tragic, what he did after, but I'd like to think that Oov's analysis of him was correct: he was a kid who was too good at a game, who began to lose sight of PLAYING it and instead was lured into profiting from it.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 28 2013 18:17 GMT
#303
It's unfortunate that he won't be allowed to play SC2. Bisu needs somebody he can beat.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
March 28 2013 18:19 GMT
#304
About time!
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 18:24:19
March 28 2013 18:24 GMT
#305
Worth the wait, what a solid article Ver.
http://www.starcraftdream.com
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
March 28 2013 19:05 GMT
#306
I love you Ver. Thank you.

Ma Bonjwa, never forget ;;
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
March 28 2013 19:16 GMT
#307
Glad this is finally out. Amazing work, needless to say.
I hope you're still planning to write that Flash article Ver
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3772 Posts
March 28 2013 19:40 GMT
#308
If I count correctly, the second titles graph is incorrect. It shows 5 titles for Protoss while there were 6:
3 MSLs for Bisu
1 OSL for Stork
2 OSLs for JangBi.

I suspect the article was created before last (BW) OSL final...?
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
March 28 2013 19:55 GMT
#309
Amazing read!
Long live BroodWar!
Farehnheit
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada42 Posts
March 28 2013 19:57 GMT
#310
soo goo!
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
March 28 2013 20:02 GMT
#311
In ZvT, the most common Zerg openings up until Savior were with lurkers, usually from 2 hatcheries. Many players made large numbers of zerglings early game to threaten the Terran or to keep themselves safe. Mutalisks were frequently used but they were often delayed. Zerg usually only felt safe getting mutalisks after first obtaining lurkers.


That's not a bad description of July's zvt circa 2004, but it's not how most people played the matchup.

For years, the standard zvt looked more like this:
+ Show Spoiler +
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
jeri
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany335 Posts
March 28 2013 21:14 GMT
#312
:tears: that is awesome stuff...
"The voices are back. Excellent." Dexter Morgan
Mr. Black
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
March 28 2013 21:20 GMT
#313
Amazing article throughout. It makes a lot of sense (in hindsight) that playing Terran would make someone good at figuring out ways to defeat Terrans, but given the mechanical complexity of BW, it's hard to imagine that a progamer would think that playing Terran was a better use of his time than practicing his Zerg mechanics. I love that, even as a pro, he still could play the game for fun (as Terran) and that what started as essentially goofing around became a key ingredient in his success.
Make more anything.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 21:45:55
March 28 2013 21:40 GMT
#314
To all those people who moan about how awesome it would be if Savior went to SCII:

1. Why are you assuming that he would even want to play SCII?
2. What makes you think that SCII has the same depth of play that such innovation could be possible?

Seriously though, as much as I read this article and want to believe that such innovation could happen in SCII I just don't see it happening at all...Not to mention the fact that it already happened!

To elaborate a bit:

I'm saying two things here. One is that SCII lacks the depth of BW, so such levels of innovation just won't be possible. The other is that SCII progamers already carry 10 or so years of experience with them, meaning that such a drastic innovation will very likely not happen again...
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3772 Posts
March 28 2013 22:27 GMT
#315
On March 29 2013 06:40 Qwyn wrote:
To all those people who moan about how awesome it would be if Savior went to SCII:

1. Why are you assuming that he would even want to play SCII?
2. What makes you think that SCII has the same depth of play that such innovation could be possible?

Seriously though, as much as I read this article and want to believe that such innovation could happen in SCII I just don't see it happening at all...Not to mention the fact that it already happened!

To elaborate a bit:

I'm saying two things here. One is that SCII lacks the depth of BW, so such levels of innovation just won't be possible. The other is that SCII progamers already carry 10 or so years of experience with them, meaning that such a drastic innovation will very likely not happen again...

Also just because sAviOr was god in Brood War doesn't necessarily translate into godhood in SC2.
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
March 29 2013 00:02 GMT
#316
so good...
Moderatorsloppy little slug
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
March 29 2013 00:21 GMT
#317
This is amazing. I will read this later. I remember your article "How to Improve" I have it printed and read it in school way back then, Keep up the good job!
AKMU / IU
imperfek
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia160 Posts
March 29 2013 01:23 GMT
#318
yes ! finally

best article on TL
UNBOWED, UNBENT, UNBROKEN
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
March 29 2013 01:48 GMT
#319
About goddamn time, been waiting ever since the release of part 1

thanks Ver, this is really really damn good
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
March 29 2013 03:02 GMT
#320
On March 29 2013 07:27 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:40 Qwyn wrote:
To all those people who moan about how awesome it would be if Savior went to SCII:

1. Why are you assuming that he would even want to play SCII?
2. What makes you think that SCII has the same depth of play that such innovation could be possible?

Seriously though, as much as I read this article and want to believe that such innovation could happen in SCII I just don't see it happening at all...Not to mention the fact that it already happened!

To elaborate a bit:

I'm saying two things here. One is that SCII lacks the depth of BW, so such levels of innovation just won't be possible. The other is that SCII progamers already carry 10 or so years of experience with them, meaning that such a drastic innovation will very likely not happen again...

Also just because sAviOr was god in Brood War doesn't necessarily translate into godhood in SC2.

It generally does (if he was the same age), his skillset would really favour a less mechanically demanding (but very similar) RTS.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
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