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That was so totally not my fault alone. Whole writing staff fail, imo.
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Arrian
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That was so totally not my fault alone. Whole writing staff fail, imo. | ||
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Nylan
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 Don't remind me of that nightmare. | ||
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Mykill
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great writeup | ||
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barbahaba0
Israel226 Posts
great job had fun reading it would be a pathetic thing to say as to how much i enjoyed it wow i think i'll rewatch ever osl finals klaz commentaries oh man i'm stoned as hell again cant say less than amz work keep the good job | ||
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[ZiNC]Ling
United States69 Posts
The theme of a historical Nth set for the Nth set of Batoo was a lot of fun for me to read, since as a relatively new StarCraft fan all of those games were before my time. The comparison is right on and so are your explanations. I do have some criticism though, I hope it isn't offensive. This FE is too good. Seriously. I'll try to explain. On August 18 2009 01:04 LostWraithSC wrote: Allow me to offer some criticism. Maybe it's just because I've read too many of these now, but I feel that this writeup was somehow so awkwardly stuffed with artificial enthusiasm and hype, with so many words that seem proportionally out of place, that it seems terribly excessive. Maybe I can add to what LostWraith says - I don't think it's the enthusiasm in this writeup that is excessive, but rather the language used to express it. Every word in the article is powerful, all together they are epic, poetic, like a work of art. And that's the problem. I can hardly get past the poetry in this article to the discussion of Batoo's actual games. On August 18 2009 01:13 Arrian wrote: The bottom line is that what I try to do with every article I write is get us as a community a little bit closer to progaming. I admire your goal of getting us all closer to the epicness that is progaming. For me though, I can easily sense the passion in a StarLeague finals, and I want to read more of the analysis. To get me (and perhaps LostWraith) closer to progaming, I need the writeup in more concrete terms. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
Like, Game 1: "In Game 1 of July-Best, a risky all-in strategy set the tone for the winner of the first game to dominate the series, 3-0. Likewise, in Game 1 of Fantasy-Jaedong, a straight-up but dominant game set the tone for the winner to dominate the series. Except he didn't." Game 2: "In Game 2 of Jaedong-Stork, it looked like one player was about to go down 0-2 and probably lose the series, but instead he took the game with an amazing timing attack and ended up taking the rest of the series with ease. Likewise in Game 2 of Fantasy-Jaedong, it looked like one player was about to go up 2-0 and probably win the series, but instead--no, there's no instead. He did win the game. He still lost the series, though." Game 3: "Game 3 of Bisu-Savior finished up a shockingly dominant sweep of the then-bonjwa, who was the favorite by far against the newcomer. Likewise, Game 3 of Fantasy-Jaedong would have finshed up a shockingly dominant sweep of the best player in the world, who was the favorite by far against the newcomer. Except that's not what happened." Game 4: "A desperate strategy by an ingenious Terran who was against the wall succeeds, against all odds. Likewise in Fantasy-Jaedong, a very unorthodox strategy that could maybe sort of be viewed as desperate (even though Fantasy was up 2-1) looks like it might have a chance for a bit, but ultimately loses." Game 5: "In the history of the OSL, few fifth sets have been as epic as July v Goodfriend on Forte in the EVER 2005 OSL. From start to finish, this final set was exactly what a fifth set should be, exactly what a fifth set is. The non-stop action, improvisation of strategies, flashy micro and unrelenting macro made this game a thrilling conclusion, and a sacrifice to destiny. Likewise, a not-particularly-epic rape by 2-hatch muta." If you had gone looking for games that were the total opposite of the series you were trying to compare them to, you could not have done much better than these. That said, I like the selection: all of those were great games, and I enjoyed watching them again (or for the first time, for some). Just you shouldn't have tried so hard to connect them in the text. | ||
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LostWraithSC
United States111 Posts
On August 18 2009 01:13 Arrian wrote: Not an unfair criticism I would say, especially from our place as a community, but really it is what you make of it. Some members here watch every proleague game, some watch only their favorite matchups or their favorite players, some watch only the finals or some watch none at all. The bottom line is that what I try to do with every article I write is get us as a community a little bit closer to progaming. Yes, it's presumptuous to say that I have that ability with my words alone, but it is nonetheless my goal, and when you see the crowd at the OSL, when you listen to the cheers and see their enthusiasm for this game, then it is not over-the-top, if you will. We cannot naturally be as enthusiastic as they because we feel the separation from the game and competition we love because of the language barrier, time differences, and physical separation, but the enthusiasm I portray in the article is not itself artificial, it may just seem so from our perspective and I try and make it so that this enthusiasm becomes not so artificial through my words. But I can understand what you're saying and I can't altogether disagree with it, though I do not, obviously, share it. Thank you for taking my comment fairly. I would just like to further clarify somethings. I definitely don't think that the level of enthusiasm for the OSL finals is overly done, but the frame and scope used to express it. Much awareness of the epic nature of a major match up just as this can be created without breaking the limits of the scope of the game. For example, imo the best FIFA introduction has the words "when the entire planet holds its breath for 90 minutes to witness..." and that captures the ponderance of football very well without losing scope. The main problem that caused me to feel uneasy with this article is that it translates the excitement and epic nature of this match up into something that's beyond Starcraft and more like a best of five match of life and death, which I believe is excessive. As someone earlier said in response to my comment, it is the repeated and unrelenting usage of qualifying words that convey the sense that ironically undermined the effort itself. To be honest, it took me quite a bit of reading to even understand that general direction of the article (at first I wasn't sure if this is a OSL final hype, general finals Bo5 game hype, or just Starcraft hype). We are lucky here at TL that we are endowed with quality articles so often that we can often take it for granted, and I definitely appreciate the efforts of all writers. Recently the fantastic (no fantasy pun intended) PL write ups I believe were beautiful examples of how both the excitement of the Grand Finals were conveyed through the crossing of the Rubicon, something completely unrelated to Starcraft, without losing scope, and keeping an excellent focus on the event itself and the teams/players involved. Of course, style differs from article to article as much as it does from writer to writer, and I just hold my humble opinion about this one particular work that I felt very differently about than the norm. | ||
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Arrian
United States889 Posts
On August 18 2009 04:25 [ZiNC]Ling wrote: First, what I love about this final edit: The theme of a historical Nth set for the Nth set of Batoo was a lot of fun for me to read, since as a relatively new StarCraft fan all of those games were before my time. The comparison is right on and so are your explanations. I do have some criticism though, I hope it isn't offensive. This FE is too good. Seriously. I'll try to explain. Maybe I can add to what LostWraith says - I don't think it's the enthusiasm in this writeup that is excessive, but rather the language used to express it. Every word in the article is powerful, all together they are epic, poetic, like a work of art. And that's the problem. I can hardly get past the poetry in this article to the discussion of Batoo's actual games. I admire your goal of getting us all closer to the epicness that is progaming. For me though, I can easily sense the passion in a StarLeague finals, and I want to read more of the analysis. To get me (and perhaps LostWraith) closer to progaming, I need the writeup in more concrete terms. Well, yes. This article is not analysis so much as perspective. The subject itself is not concrete, however. A best of five series can be broken down into build orders and play-by-plays, and that's what the round up, summaries, and in general what the writers here at TL produce, and produce excellently. This is more about a particular aspect of progaming, a final. I'm not breaking down and analyzing so much as trying to give an overview of this particular aspect of what we all watch, and give a sense of what's going on inside the heads of the players. Since you're new, it makes perfect sense that you're looking more for analysis and in depth content. It's just that that's not so much what I'm trying to do here. If your criticism is that it is not analytic, that's fine, but it's also not what the article was meant to be. On August 18 2009 04:43 LostWraithSC wrote: Thank you for taking my comment fairly. I would just like to further clarify somethings. I definitely don't think that the level of enthusiasm for the OSL finals is overly done, but the frame and scope used to express it. Much awareness of the epic nature of a major match up just as this can be created without breaking the limits of the scope of the game. For example, imo the best FIFA introduction has the words "when the entire planet holds its breath for 90 minutes to witness..." and that captures the ponderance of football very well without losing scope. The main problem that caused me to feel uneasy with this article is that it translates the excitement and epic nature of this match up into something that's beyond Starcraft and more like a best of five match of life and death, which I believe is excessive. As someone earlier said in response to my comment, it is the repeated and unrelenting usage of qualifying words that convey the sense that ironically undermined the effort itself. To be honest, it took me quite a bit of reading to even understand that general direction of the article (at first I wasn't sure if this is a OSL final hype, general finals Bo5 game hype, or just Starcraft hype). We are lucky here at TL that we are endowed with quality articles so often that we can often take it for granted, and I definitely appreciate the efforts of all writers. Recently the fantastic (no fantasy pun intended) PL write ups I believe were beautiful examples of how both the excitement of the Grand Finals were conveyed through the crossing of the Rubicon, something completely unrelated to Starcraft, without losing scope, and keeping an excellent focus on the event itself and the teams/players involved. Of course, style differs from article to article as much as it does from writer to writer, and I just hold my humble opinion about this one particular work that I felt very differently about than the norm. This is not a unique criticism to my writing. If you get a chance to read my other FE, you'll probably feel the same way, as others pointed out then. Fact of the matter is I don't feel apologetic about the way I write my articles and the style I use; I readily understand that it is not a matter of life or death, and that all it is is something that we watch and enjoy, and it's entertainment and that it will as easily pass from this world as it came. This is just the way I write. I write academic papers this way, I write articles this way, etc. If it makes you uneasy, that's possibly because it's unusual, but this is my writing style, and perhaps not as easily appreciated as most other peoples'. Is the language gaudy? Sure it is. Is that inappropriate? Possibly, but that's just your aesthetic. There are other FEs you may like though, where the language is more informal but the sentiments just as powerful. I recommend 'Only Until Midnight' by HonestTea. | ||
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LostWraithSC
United States111 Posts
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
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Disarray
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
I truly disagree with On August 18 2009 01:04 LostWraithSC wrote: this. Although I can understand what it is coming from.Allow me to offer some criticism. Maybe it's just because I've read too many of these now, but I feel that this writeup was somehow so awkwardly stuffed with artificial enthusiasm and hype, with so many words that seem proportionally out of place, that it seems terribly excessive. Finals deserve to be hyped, but this write up goes a bit too far and I can't help but think if a bit of self-consciousness would improve the scope of this article. This was really well written, and atleast for me, I think you managed to portrait what you wanted to tell with this article. Very Very well done! Thanks alot | ||
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