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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On June 24 2018 06:00 Seeker wrote: What's the situation for Korea here? Can they still somehow make it out? Yes, Korean wins with 2 or better, Mexico beats Sweden. Then Korea advances. If Korea wins by one, Mexico beats Sweden by one, we get into weird tiebreaker again. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On June 24 2018 06:00 Seeker wrote: What's the situation for Korea here? Can they still somehow make it out? Actually yes, 2 goal win and mexico win would do. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4182 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/bbc5rodl3t511.png) From reddit | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
https://www.svt.se/sport/fotboll/storbrak-efter-slutsignalen-janne-andersson-skogstokig | ||
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Malinor
Germany4758 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18749 Posts
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chrisolo
Germany2610 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On June 24 2018 17:39 sharkie wrote: Who are those two idiots? staffers with no on the pitch job (so no medical staff) never seen those guys before this incident, not even sure if they are sitting on our bencb | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On June 24 2018 06:04 mahrgell wrote: The public pages actually don't detail if those rules are applied iteratively. In fact I would say that the phrasing "If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their rankings shall be determined as follows:" with above criteria refering to the total points/gd/goals actually implies that they won't be used iteratively. And in the non iterative case, Sweden is ahead of Germany. This actually had been discussed at the2014 WC already: http://worldsoccertalk.com/2014/05/15/ambiguous-rules-could-lead-to-world-cup-controversy-involving-usmnt-portugal-and-ghana/ but sadly no result is mentioned there. Looks like Fifa clarified this: in short, head to head tiebreaker would not be restarted in case of two teams remaining tied after three way tiebreaker, instead it would go to fair play/drawing of lots German article: http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/deutschland-im-achtelfinale-fifa-praezisiert-regel-los-koennte-entscheiden-a-1214718.html | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
The only group in which every team can still advance and no team is yet qualified. A group with so tricky tiebreakers that FIFA had to clear up their own rules (and there were 2 ways those issues could happen...) A group where you really hope those tiebreaker never get important.... Possible outcomes: Just summarizing for each team here in which cases they advance... for the special cases or if you want to know 1st/2nd place, check the spoiler at the end Mexico advances if: - they win or draw - they lose and Germany does not win - they lose by 1, Germany wins by 1 and weird things happen (7g, 7i, 7j) Sweden advances if: - they win - they draw and Germany loses - they draw, Germany draws and Sweden scores more goals than Germany - they lose by 1, Korea wins by 1 + special conditions (3b, 3d) Germany advances if: - they win by 2 or more - they win and Sweden does not win - they win by 1 and Sweden wins by 2 or more - they win by 1, Sweden wins by one and weird things don't happen (potentially eliminated in cases 7g, 7i, 7j) - in short: any win except cases 7g, 7i, 7j - they draw and Sweden loses - they draw, Sweden draws and Germany scores at least as many goals as Sweden - they lose by 1, Sweden loses by 1 + special conditions (3d, 3e) Korea advances if: - they win by 2 or more and Sweden loses - they win by 1 and Sweden loses by 2 or more - they win by 1, Sweden loses by 1, but Korea scores at least 2 goals more than Sweden (e.g. 2-1 victory for Korea and 0-1 loss for Sweden) + Show Spoiler [Details] + 1) Mexico beats Sweden, Germany beats Korea --> Mexico 1st, Germany 2nd 2) Mexico beats Sweden, Germany draws Korea --> Mexico 1st, Germany 2nd 3) Mexico beats Sweden, Korea beats Germany --> Mexico 1st, and for the 2nd place: - 3a) Either game ends with a +2 or higher goal margin ---> 2nd place Korea - 3b) Both games end with a +1 goal margin and Sweden scores at least the same number of goals as Korea ---> 2nd place Sweden - 3c) Both games end with a +1 goal margin and Korea scores at least 2 goals more than Sweden ---> 2nd place Korea - 3d) Mexico 1-0 Sweden, Korea 1-0 Germany ---> 2nd place is decided by FFPR or drawing lots between Sweden and Germany (Currently Germany has 5 FFPR, Sweden 3, lower is better) - 3e) Mexico 2-1 Sweden, Korea 2-1 Germany or any other similar result with more goals scored ---> 2nd place Germany 4) Mexico draws Sweden, Germany beats Korea --> Mexico 1st, Germany 2nd 5) Mexico draws Sweden, Germany draws Korea --> Mexico 1st, 2nd depends - 5a) Sweden scores more goals than Germany ---> Mexico 1st, Sweden 2nd - 5b) Sweden does not score more goals than Germany ---> Mexico 1st, Germany 2nd 6) Mexico draws Sweden, Korea beats Germany --> Mexico 1st, Sweden 2nd 7) Sweden beats Mexico, Germany beats Korea --> many scenarios here again, Sweden advances in all of them - 7a) Sweden wins by 2 or more, Germany wins with a smaller margin than Sweden does ---> Sweden 1st, Germany 2nd - 7b) Sweden wins by 2 or more, Germany wins with a higher margin than Sweden does ---> Germany 1st, Sweden 2nd - 7c) Sweden wins by 2 or more, Germany wins with the same margin and scores at least as many goals as Sweden ---> Germany 1st, Sweden 2nd - 7d) Sweden wins by 2 or more, Germany wins with the same margin but scores less goals than Sweden ---> Sweden 1st, Germany 2nd - 7e) Sweden wins by 1, Germany wins by 2 or more ---> Germany 1st, Sweden 2nd - 7f) Sweden wins by 1, Germany wins by 1 but scores more goals than Sweden ---> Germany 1st, Sweden 2nd - 7g) Sweden wins by 1, Germany wins by 1 but scores less goals than Sweden ---> Sweden 1st, Mexico 2nd - 7h) Sweden 1-0 Mexico, Germany 1-0 Korea ---> Germany and Sweden advance, 1st place is decided by FFPR or drawing lots (Currently Germany has 5 FFPR, Sweden 3, lower is better) - 7i) Sweden 2-1 Mexico, Germany 2-1 Korea ---> 1st Sweden, 2nd place is decided by FFPR or drawing lots between Germany and Mexico (Currently Germany has 5 FFPR, Mexico 2, lower is better) - 7j) Sweden 3-2, Germany 3-2 or similar higher results ---> 1st Sweden, 2nd Mexico 8) Sweden beats Mexico, Germany draws Korea --> 1st Sweden, 2nd Mexico 9) Sweden beats Mexico, Korea beats Germany --> 1st Sweden, 2nd Mexico | ||
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GettingIt
1656 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On June 27 2018 02:51 GettingIt wrote: Would FIFA really decide which team advances based on RNG? That would be disgusting... Those are the rules. And if the teams really managed to draw that many tiebreakers, what else would you use? Hair style voting contest? | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18444 Posts
On June 27 2018 03:03 sneirac wrote: Have them both get match ready and decide it with penalty kicks before the kickoff of the next game. Pretty much anything is better than drawing of lots That's not fair to their opponent. | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18749 Posts
Sweden has already gone lucky conceding only two goals but they have a very good defense. South Korea's defense is meh | ||
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