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On July 31 2016 15:50 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2016 15:46 Phredxor wrote: KT and Zest all disappointing today. As is expected against JA. Exactly. I'm really getting tired of this same story every time...
On the plus side you never know if PL will even come back next year With the struggles they had this year getting SKT to sponsor it. That might cure us of our PL woes.
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On July 31 2016 15:51 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2016 15:50 Silvana wrote:On July 31 2016 15:46 Phredxor wrote: KT and Zest all disappointing today. As is expected against JA. Exactly. I'm really getting tired of this same story every time... On the plus side you never know if PL will even come back next year  With the struggles they had this year getting SKT to sponsor it. That might cure us of our PL woes.
How's that a plus side :'(
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On July 31 2016 15:52 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2016 15:51 Phredxor wrote:On July 31 2016 15:50 Silvana wrote:On July 31 2016 15:46 Phredxor wrote: KT and Zest all disappointing today. As is expected against JA. Exactly. I'm really getting tired of this same story every time... On the plus side you never know if PL will even come back next year  With the struggles they had this year getting SKT to sponsor it. That might cure us of our PL woes. How's that a plus side :'(
It's not. Getting real sick of the losses to JA too. And I want to shoot the KT coaches.
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JinAir has the clutch players i guess :/ Will be hard to win proleague against that team
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On July 31 2016 15:54 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2016 15:52 Silvana wrote:On July 31 2016 15:51 Phredxor wrote:On July 31 2016 15:50 Silvana wrote:On July 31 2016 15:46 Phredxor wrote: KT and Zest all disappointing today. As is expected against JA. Exactly. I'm really getting tired of this same story every time... On the plus side you never know if PL will even come back next year  With the struggles they had this year getting SKT to sponsor it. That might cure us of our PL woes. How's that a plus side :'( It's not.  Getting real sick of the losses to JA too. And I want to shoot the KT coaches.
If we feel this way imagine how it must feel for the players. It has to be terrible for their mentality.
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At least the finals are PL format. Think we have better chance in that.
Also I like how the Zest fan club has become the KT fan club
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On July 31 2016 15:56 The_Red_Viper wrote: JinAir has the clutch players i guess :/ Will be hard to win proleague against that team
There was not much clutches this time tho. They never were under pressure. I never felt like KT had the upper hand in neither the games or the mindset.
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On July 31 2016 15:58 Phredxor wrote:At least the finals are PL format. Think we have better chance in that. Also I like how the Zest fan club has become the KT fan club 
I thought about making a KT fanclub but it would be basically us posting in there :D
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I mean Zest is the face of KT, so it's close enough :D Clutch as in being on their a game when it matters. I didn't feel like TY, Stats or Zest really played at 100% power. Even though i guess you cannot fault Zest too much. Stats really should have won against Cure though :/
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Kind of sucks KT lost to JA again but at least the top players are performing pretty well in individual leagues (outside of Stats losing in gsl).
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See this is why you have to be like me, realize that the match isn't that important. Then you don't get super sad when KT lose. Only mildly annoyed. Didn't expect it to go 1-4. Now there's no real point in watching the VODs
Now if only we knew when the actual playoffs start.
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On July 31 2016 16:17 Elentos wrote: See this is why you have to be like me, realize that the match isn't that important. Then you don't get super sad when KT lose. Only mildly annoyed. Didn't expect it to go 1-4. Now there's no real point in watching the VODs
Now if only we knew when the actual playoffs start. It's maybe not important for standings or anything, but at some point the KT guys probably lose confidence against JinAir. When you are playing in front of a foreign audience with quite a lot of guys watching you surely wanna win, KT didn't even play in TB because of this. So it was kinda important :/
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That's all well and good, but like Silvana said it must be hard on the players constantly losing to JA. Beating them here would have done them a world of good and given them confidence for the finals.
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The finals aren't in all-kill though. In Proleague format KT does way better against Jin Air.
Plus you can get some confidence back with a 4-0, 4-0 against SKT or Afreeca 
I really doubt Zest or Stats lost any confidence from this. They're not the type to. But the match was lost the moment Stats lost game 1 anyway.
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On July 31 2016 16:25 Elentos wrote:The finals aren't in all-kill though. In Proleague format KT does way better against Jin Air. Plus you can get some confidence back with a 4-0, 4-0 against SKT or Afreeca  I really doubt Zest or Stats lost any confidence from this. They're not the type to. But the match was lost the moment Stats lost game 1 anyway.
Why do you guys keep saying this? Zest and TY are totally capable of taking 2 games each.
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On July 31 2016 17:47 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2016 16:25 Elentos wrote:The finals aren't in all-kill though. In Proleague format KT does way better against Jin Air. Plus you can get some confidence back with a 4-0, 4-0 against SKT or Afreeca  I really doubt Zest or Stats lost any confidence from this. They're not the type to. But the match was lost the moment Stats lost game 1 anyway. Why do you guys keep saying this? Zest and TY are totally capable of taking 2 games each. Because when Stats lost Jin Air basically got homefield advantage. Against any other team, sure they could and arguably would. But not against Jin Air being able to freely choose who they send out when while they already have a lead (2-0 even because Leenock lost).
Just because of how KT's and Jin Air's players interact.
Stats > Rogue, Stats = sOs, Stats < Maru TY ≥ Rogue, TY < sOs, TY ≤ Maru Zest < Rogue, Zest ≥ sOs, Zest > Maru
When Stats gets knocked out early against Jin Air, too much hinges on Zest. I think that got kinda exposed today. Since KT always starts with Stats I'm surprised it took them so long to snipe him successfully.
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KT need a reliable fourth player, preferably a good Zerg. Those are rare though.
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On July 31 2016 18:10 Olli wrote: KT need a reliable fourth player, preferably a good Zerg. Those are rare though. Before the season started people were hoping Losira would be the guy. But him and Leenock aren't doing the job. But the really good Zergs? Probably all unavailable. Maybe try for a Terran (GuMiho)?
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On July 31 2016 18:08 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2016 17:47 Silvana wrote:On July 31 2016 16:25 Elentos wrote:The finals aren't in all-kill though. In Proleague format KT does way better against Jin Air. Plus you can get some confidence back with a 4-0, 4-0 against SKT or Afreeca  I really doubt Zest or Stats lost any confidence from this. They're not the type to. But the match was lost the moment Stats lost game 1 anyway. Why do you guys keep saying this? Zest and TY are totally capable of taking 2 games each. Because when Stats lost Jin Air basically got homefield advantage. Against any other team, sure they could and arguably would. But not against Jin Air being able to freely choose who they send out when while they already have a lead (2-0 even because Leenock lost). Just because of how KT's and Jin Air's players interact. Stats > Rogue, Stats = sOs, Stats < Maru TY ≥ Rogue, TY < sOs, TY ≤ Maru Zest < Rogue, Zest ≥ sOs, Zest > Maru When Stats gets knocked out early against Jin Air, too much hinges on Zest. I think that got kinda exposed today. Since KT always starts with Stats I'm surprised it took them so long to snipe him successfully.
Loved the inequations, made the explanation crystal clear
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On July 31 2016 18:18 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2016 18:08 Elentos wrote:On July 31 2016 17:47 Silvana wrote:On July 31 2016 16:25 Elentos wrote:The finals aren't in all-kill though. In Proleague format KT does way better against Jin Air. Plus you can get some confidence back with a 4-0, 4-0 against SKT or Afreeca  I really doubt Zest or Stats lost any confidence from this. They're not the type to. But the match was lost the moment Stats lost game 1 anyway. Why do you guys keep saying this? Zest and TY are totally capable of taking 2 games each. Because when Stats lost Jin Air basically got homefield advantage. Against any other team, sure they could and arguably would. But not against Jin Air being able to freely choose who they send out when while they already have a lead (2-0 even because Leenock lost). Just because of how KT's and Jin Air's players interact. Stats > Rogue, Stats = sOs, Stats < Maru TY ≥ Rogue, TY < sOs, TY ≤ Maru Zest < Rogue, Zest ≥ sOs, Zest > Maru When Stats gets knocked out early against Jin Air, too much hinges on Zest. I think that got kinda exposed today. Since KT always starts with Stats I'm surprised it took them so long to snipe him successfully. Loved the inequations, made the explanation crystal clear  I try 
Last year the PL playoffs started 8 days after the last round playoffs finished, so I hope the playoffs for this year start soon.
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