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NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
June 30 2016 11:20 GMT
#1861
On June 30 2016 20:02 Olli wrote:
Gumiho is a win for Zest. MC is as well in a Bo3. Solar is the trickiest opponent probably, but not in great shape either.

Should easily get out


Everyone needs an Olli in their life to remind them that Zest is doing well
I'm sorry for all those that got their hearts broken by Zest | Zest, Bisu, soO, herO, MC, Maru, TY, Rogue, Trap, TaeJa", Favourite foreigners: ShoWTimE, Snute, Serral and Nerchio| KT BEST KT |
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
June 30 2016 17:21 GMT
#1862
Gumiho should be a win for Zest no doubt. Solar? I have no clue but I'm glad we get to see Zest's PvZ in a bo3.

Now time for my PvP analysis*!!!

Imo Zest should only worry about not mindgaming himself in PvP. A lot of times it seems to me that he can't get control of the games because he is thinking too far ahead or anticipating for something that it's not going to come. Against players like MC or Super, he should be more straightforward, and against someone like Stats maybe he should commit to a hard hitting build and stop second guessing himself.

* more like my Silver league knowledge inspired subjective impressions on Zest's play
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55572 Posts
June 30 2016 17:28 GMT
#1863
On July 01 2016 02:21 Silvana wrote:
Gumiho should be a win for Zest no doubt. Solar? I have no clue but I'm glad we get to see Zest's PvZ in a bo3.

Well Solar and GuMiho play each other first so we probably won't see Zest's PvZ.
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bestviva
Profile Joined July 2015
148 Posts
July 01 2016 03:02 GMT
#1864
On July 01 2016 02:21 Silvana wrote:
Gumiho should be a win for Zest no doubt. Solar? I have no clue but I'm glad we get to see Zest's PvZ in a bo3.

Now time for my PvP analysis*!!!

Imo Zest should only worry about not mindgaming himself in PvP. A lot of times it seems to me that he can't get control of the games because he is thinking too far ahead or anticipating for something that it's not going to come. Against players like MC or Super, he should be more straightforward, and against someone like Stats maybe he should commit to a hard hitting build and stop second guessing himself.

* more like my Silver league knowledge inspired subjective impressions on Zest's play


it seems that MC is not good at multitasking, he just got one punch, and speaking of this one-punch thing, I think zest is second to none.

so zest may get it straight and fierce then one shot to end the game, clean and clear as usual, or he may multitask MC hard and choke him to dead, as usual too.

what I worried about is MC has few games to study, and he is a experienced player and was once a king, he should never be underestimate.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55572 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-02 11:30:02
July 02 2016 11:21 GMT
#1865
Geez, his play in Proleague today was really poor. His weakness against Zerg doesn't make sense to me, and his builds today didn't either.

He gotta hope he dodges Solar in GSL at this rate. I seriously think Stats has overtaken him in PvP and PvZ. Zest's PvT is still immaculate though.
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Lil_nooblet
Profile Joined March 2016
United States459 Posts
July 02 2016 11:34 GMT
#1866
I only saw the ace match and bits and pieces of Zest on frost but he looked really awful today. Haven't seen him play that bad in awhile. I'm sure he'll be good to go for his gsl group on Wednesday though.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 02 2016 11:36 GMT
#1867
I'm still gonna hold out hope that it was just a bad day too. Because that was a really poor performance.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55572 Posts
July 02 2016 11:39 GMT
#1868
On July 02 2016 20:36 Phredxor wrote:
I'm still gonna hold out hope that it was just a bad day too. Because that was a really poor performance.

Maybe. But if it was a bad day he shouldn't have played the ace match ._.
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 02 2016 11:40 GMT
#1869
On July 02 2016 20:39 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2016 20:36 Phredxor wrote:
I'm still gonna hold out hope that it was just a bad day too. Because that was a really poor performance.

Maybe. But if it was a bad day he shouldn't have played the ace match ._.


Of course. But KT coaches are rather.. questionable with sending out ace players.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55572 Posts
July 02 2016 11:43 GMT
#1870
On July 02 2016 20:40 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2016 20:39 Elentos wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:36 Phredxor wrote:
I'm still gonna hold out hope that it was just a bad day too. Because that was a really poor performance.

Maybe. But if it was a bad day he shouldn't have played the ace match ._.


Of course. But KT coaches are rather.. questionable with sending out ace players.

I tell you, Stats is contractually restricted to 1 ace match per year.

Oh well, it's Zest's first ace loss this year. But he really shouldn't have played it. Meh.
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NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
July 02 2016 15:00 GMT
#1871
When Zest plays that game vs Rogue he looked so clueless, like he didn't know what to do in PvZ. It breaks me because he's supposedly the better player and I know he can do better than that. It was sad and heart-breaking
I'm sorry for all those that got their hearts broken by Zest | Zest, Bisu, soO, herO, MC, Maru, TY, Rogue, Trap, TaeJa", Favourite foreigners: ShoWTimE, Snute, Serral and Nerchio| KT BEST KT |
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55572 Posts
July 02 2016 15:16 GMT
#1872
Well Rogue definitely outsmarted him. Zest played styles that kill ling/bane pretty well, but not lurkers.
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bestviva
Profile Joined July 2015
148 Posts
July 02 2016 17:59 GMT
#1873
On July 02 2016 20:40 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2016 20:39 Elentos wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:36 Phredxor wrote:
I'm still gonna hold out hope that it was just a bad day too. Because that was a really poor performance.

Maybe. But if it was a bad day he shouldn't have played the ace match ._.


Of course. But KT coaches are rather.. questionable with sending out ace players.


kt's lines up was already predicted by JA especially on ace match.

tbh, I would send stats rather than zest on ace match today, stats has good record against all race atm, I would say stats stand more chance to win than zest especially zest had lost one match already…

but still…zest' pvz is really a big problem for him now, he need to step it up if he still want to win some championships
NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
July 02 2016 18:06 GMT
#1874
On July 03 2016 02:59 bestviva wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2016 20:40 Phredxor wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:39 Elentos wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:36 Phredxor wrote:
I'm still gonna hold out hope that it was just a bad day too. Because that was a really poor performance.

Maybe. But if it was a bad day he shouldn't have played the ace match ._.


Of course. But KT coaches are rather.. questionable with sending out ace players.


kt's lines up was already predicted by JA especially on ace match.

tbh, I would send stats rather than zest on ace match today, stats has good record against all race atm, I would say stats stand more chance to win than zest especially zest had lost one match already…

but still…zest' pvz is really a big problem for him now, he need to step it up if he still want to win some championships


I think KT sent Zest out in fear of Maru, but that kinda backfired them as JA already predicted it
I'm sorry for all those that got their hearts broken by Zest | Zest, Bisu, soO, herO, MC, Maru, TY, Rogue, Trap, TaeJa", Favourite foreigners: ShoWTimE, Snute, Serral and Nerchio| KT BEST KT |
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55572 Posts
July 02 2016 18:41 GMT
#1875
On July 03 2016 03:06 NinjaToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2016 02:59 bestviva wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:40 Phredxor wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:39 Elentos wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:36 Phredxor wrote:
I'm still gonna hold out hope that it was just a bad day too. Because that was a really poor performance.

Maybe. But if it was a bad day he shouldn't have played the ace match ._.


Of course. But KT coaches are rather.. questionable with sending out ace players.


kt's lines up was already predicted by JA especially on ace match.

tbh, I would send stats rather than zest on ace match today, stats has good record against all race atm, I would say stats stand more chance to win than zest especially zest had lost one match already…

but still…zest' pvz is really a big problem for him now, he need to step it up if he still want to win some championships


I think KT sent Zest out in fear of Maru, but that kinda backfired them as JA already predicted it

Yeah, that's exactly why KT sent out Zest. Maru even plays on Frozen Temple tomorrow, they were certain he'd come out. Jin Air's coaches have KT's number, and hard.

Even Stats is probably not totally comfortable with the prospect of playing Maru.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
bestviva
Profile Joined July 2015
148 Posts
July 03 2016 05:47 GMT
#1876
On July 03 2016 03:41 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2016 03:06 NinjaToss wrote:
On July 03 2016 02:59 bestviva wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:40 Phredxor wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:39 Elentos wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:36 Phredxor wrote:
I'm still gonna hold out hope that it was just a bad day too. Because that was a really poor performance.

Maybe. But if it was a bad day he shouldn't have played the ace match ._.


Of course. But KT coaches are rather.. questionable with sending out ace players.


kt's lines up was already predicted by JA especially on ace match.

tbh, I would send stats rather than zest on ace match today, stats has good record against all race atm, I would say stats stand more chance to win than zest especially zest had lost one match already…

but still…zest' pvz is really a big problem for him now, he need to step it up if he still want to win some championships


I think KT sent Zest out in fear of Maru, but that kinda backfired them as JA already predicted it

Yeah, that's exactly why KT sent out Zest. Maru even plays on Frozen Temple tomorrow, they were certain he'd come out. Jin Air's coaches have KT's number, and hard.

Even Stats is probably not totally comfortable with the prospect of playing Maru.



predicting your opponent's line up is just like gambling. No one would like to put their fate on gambling. JA's players are not perfect either , but they don't have obvious flaw at least on SPL wiht the BO1 matchup.

but KT, TY is not stable enough, Zest has a big issue about PVZ, and Stats is still not comfortable matching up with Maru... and the only way to solve these problem is making them perfect. Beside, all of them have the GSL and SSL in their hands, if they don't figured out a way then how can they make it further in these tournaments?
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
July 03 2016 07:32 GMT
#1877
On July 03 2016 14:47 bestviva wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2016 03:41 Elentos wrote:
On July 03 2016 03:06 NinjaToss wrote:
On July 03 2016 02:59 bestviva wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:40 Phredxor wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:39 Elentos wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:36 Phredxor wrote:
I'm still gonna hold out hope that it was just a bad day too. Because that was a really poor performance.

Maybe. But if it was a bad day he shouldn't have played the ace match ._.


Of course. But KT coaches are rather.. questionable with sending out ace players.


kt's lines up was already predicted by JA especially on ace match.

tbh, I would send stats rather than zest on ace match today, stats has good record against all race atm, I would say stats stand more chance to win than zest especially zest had lost one match already…

but still…zest' pvz is really a big problem for him now, he need to step it up if he still want to win some championships


I think KT sent Zest out in fear of Maru, but that kinda backfired them as JA already predicted it

Yeah, that's exactly why KT sent out Zest. Maru even plays on Frozen Temple tomorrow, they were certain he'd come out. Jin Air's coaches have KT's number, and hard.

Even Stats is probably not totally comfortable with the prospect of playing Maru.



predicting your opponent's line up is just like gambling. No one would like to put their fate on gambling. JA's players are not perfect either , but they don't have obvious flaw at least on SPL wiht the BO1 matchup.

but KT, TY is not stable enough, Zest has a big issue about PVZ, and Stats is still not comfortable matching up with Maru... and the only way to solve these problem is making them perfect. Beside, all of them have the GSL and SSL in their hands, if they don't figured out a way then how can they make it further in these tournaments?

TY's TvT was really great for a while tho. I think that's their best bet. TBF, TY keeps on losing to sOs but he's most likely not coming out on ace matches and for rest of the team he has really good chances on except maru.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 03 2016 08:02 GMT
#1878
Yeah but if they were predicting Maru then Zest is easily the best choice. Just a pity KT is so obvious. Even I predicted they'd send Rogue.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55572 Posts
July 03 2016 08:30 GMT
#1879
On July 03 2016 14:47 bestviva wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2016 03:41 Elentos wrote:
On July 03 2016 03:06 NinjaToss wrote:
On July 03 2016 02:59 bestviva wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:40 Phredxor wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:39 Elentos wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:36 Phredxor wrote:
I'm still gonna hold out hope that it was just a bad day too. Because that was a really poor performance.

Maybe. But if it was a bad day he shouldn't have played the ace match ._.


Of course. But KT coaches are rather.. questionable with sending out ace players.


kt's lines up was already predicted by JA especially on ace match.

tbh, I would send stats rather than zest on ace match today, stats has good record against all race atm, I would say stats stand more chance to win than zest especially zest had lost one match already…

but still…zest' pvz is really a big problem for him now, he need to step it up if he still want to win some championships


I think KT sent Zest out in fear of Maru, but that kinda backfired them as JA already predicted it

Yeah, that's exactly why KT sent out Zest. Maru even plays on Frozen Temple tomorrow, they were certain he'd come out. Jin Air's coaches have KT's number, and hard.

Even Stats is probably not totally comfortable with the prospect of playing Maru.



predicting your opponent's line up is just like gambling. No one would like to put their fate on gambling. JA's players are not perfect either , but they don't have obvious flaw at least on SPL wiht the BO1 matchup.

but KT, TY is not stable enough, Zest has a big issue about PVZ, and Stats is still not comfortable matching up with Maru... and the only way to solve these problem is making them perfect. Beside, all of them have the GSL and SSL in their hands, if they don't figured out a way then how can they make it further in these tournaments?

I think at the top level of Proleague, there's almost no gambling involved with the overall lineups. Only the ace match is a lot about mindgames.

GSL and SSL aren't BO1. Some of the losses TY and Zest have taken in Proleague, they'd never have taken in a longer series.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
bestviva
Profile Joined July 2015
148 Posts
July 03 2016 13:58 GMT
#1880
On July 03 2016 17:30 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2016 14:47 bestviva wrote:
On July 03 2016 03:41 Elentos wrote:
On July 03 2016 03:06 NinjaToss wrote:
On July 03 2016 02:59 bestviva wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:40 Phredxor wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:39 Elentos wrote:
On July 02 2016 20:36 Phredxor wrote:
I'm still gonna hold out hope that it was just a bad day too. Because that was a really poor performance.

Maybe. But if it was a bad day he shouldn't have played the ace match ._.


Of course. But KT coaches are rather.. questionable with sending out ace players.


kt's lines up was already predicted by JA especially on ace match.

tbh, I would send stats rather than zest on ace match today, stats has good record against all race atm, I would say stats stand more chance to win than zest especially zest had lost one match already…

but still…zest' pvz is really a big problem for him now, he need to step it up if he still want to win some championships


I think KT sent Zest out in fear of Maru, but that kinda backfired them as JA already predicted it

Yeah, that's exactly why KT sent out Zest. Maru even plays on Frozen Temple tomorrow, they were certain he'd come out. Jin Air's coaches have KT's number, and hard.

Even Stats is probably not totally comfortable with the prospect of playing Maru.



predicting your opponent's line up is just like gambling. No one would like to put their fate on gambling. JA's players are not perfect either , but they don't have obvious flaw at least on SPL wiht the BO1 matchup.

but KT, TY is not stable enough, Zest has a big issue about PVZ, and Stats is still not comfortable matching up with Maru... and the only way to solve these problem is making them perfect. Beside, all of them have the GSL and SSL in their hands, if they don't figured out a way then how can they make it further in these tournaments?

I think at the top level of Proleague, there's almost no gambling involved with the overall lineups. Only the ace match is a lot about mindgames.

GSL and SSL aren't BO1. Some of the losses TY and Zest have taken in Proleague, they'd never have taken in a longer series.


their performance on SPL always made me feel unsure, and zest vs rouge was actually BO2 already…if it was in a BO3 format, zest had already lost…
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