EPTOn May 09 2016 23:02 Sholip wrote:
Told ya! But his PvZ doesn't seem that solid.
Told ya! But his PvZ doesn't seem that solid.
I wouldn't draw conclusions by his game today...
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Silvana
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I wouldn't draw conclusions by his game today... | ||
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Lil_nooblet
United States459 Posts
On May 09 2016 23:04 Silvana wrote: I wouldn't draw conclusions by his game today... Ya pretty sure he just said fuck it and went for an all in. | ||
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[16thSq] Kuro
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Elentos
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Wallenberg
203 Posts
On May 09 2016 23:22 Elentos wrote: Well, he was completely unfocused. His micro was sloppy, his macro was off and his multitasking was non-existent. He also would have won against Solar if he didn't fuck up the force fields I'm pretty sure. Zest is a GSL Champion, of course he would own Solar if the PC-setup was normal and just a normal day. But so much thing of the game happend today. | ||
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Silvana
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
In the end it doesn't really matter, this won't happen again ^^ | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On May 09 2016 23:25 Wallenberg wrote: Zest is a GSL Champion, of course he would own Solar if the PC-setup was normal and just a normal day. But so much thing of the game happend today. Doesn't matter that he's a GSL champion. Fact is, he was a GSL champion in HotS already, but Solar still leads the head-to-head record. Stats has always had less trouble with Solar for some reason. Solar is absolutely good enough to beat Zest even when Zest doesn't have the worst day ever. But the fact is, even on the worst day ever, Zest could have won if he nailed like 3 force fields. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On May 09 2016 23:35 Elentos wrote: Doesn't matter that he's a GSL champion. Fact is, he was a GSL champion in HotS already, but Solar still leads the head-to-head record. Stats has always had less trouble with Solar for some reason. Solar is absolutely good enough to beat Zest even when Zest doesn't have the worst day ever. But the fact is, even on the worst day ever, Zest could have won if he nailed like 3 force fields. Especially in a bo1 | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
Also, is that just me, or does Zest really hate disruptors? Because I think since his loss against Dear in round 1 he's made like 2 or 3 disruptors total across all matchups. | ||
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NinjaToss
Austria1383 Posts
On May 09 2016 23:49 Elentos wrote: I really wanna see Stats vs Zest at the cross finals btw. Should be really high level PvP. Also, is that just me, or does Zest really hate disruptors? Because I think since his loss against Dear in round 1 he's made like 2 or 3 disruptors total across all matchups. I don't really see Zest as a micro-heavy player, and Disruptors are micro-heavy units? too much coin-flipping in one unit doesn't fit his playstyle the thing about Zest is the more you expect from him the more he's likely to lose | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Sure Dear played it vs TY today, but overall? I feel like the unit is a design fail tbh, as ninja toss said it feel very coinflippy | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On May 10 2016 00:04 The_Red_Viper wrote: Are disruptors even used much at all? Sure Dear played it vs TY today, but overall? I feel like the unit is a design fail tbh, as ninja toss said it feel very coinflippy In Korea it's not very common, no. Mostly in PvT to throw in something different between your usual stuff. I think Dear used them nearly every Ro16 game in Code S. But you'd expect any player to be mix it up every now and then. The only disruptors I remember from Zest were the ones on Lerilak Crest in the GSL semifinals. So even though they are clearly not unusable, he doesn't seem to like them much. I don't really think it's coinflippy in that sense, because at the end of the day timing and controlling your shots is up to you, as is dodging shots that come from the opponent. It's just that it's super high risk because of the cooldown, while the reward is anywhere between high and non-existent. On May 10 2016 00:00 NinjaToss wrote: I don't really see Zest as a micro-heavy player, and Disruptors are micro-heavy units? That's true but Zest is also one of the best phoenix players, and those are extremely micro-heavy. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
As you said then the cooldown kicks in and you are pretty much fucked. It's even worse because you cannot really do anything else in the meantime when you control the shot (whole attention has to be on the shot), and if you do you probably won't kill anything with it. So i totally understand why Zest doesn't wanna use it very much, it makes a lot of sense imo. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On May 10 2016 00:27 The_Red_Viper wrote: Well imo it's mostly about the enemy. Yes you can control the shot, but if the enemy splits "perfectly" you cannot really do much with it. As you said then the cooldown kicks in and you are pretty much fucked. It's even worse because you cannot really do anything else in the meantime when you control the shot (whole attention has to be on the shot), and if you do you probably won't kill anything with it. So i totally understand why Zest doesn't wanna use it very much, it makes a lot of sense imo. Hey, at least the AI helps out and units that your opponent doesn't pay attention to will run into the disruptor shot like fools  I get why he doesn't use it much, but it'd be fun if he threw them in sometimes. Someone as brilliant as Zest should be able to make them work as zoning tools. Ya know, just mix it up a little. | ||
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bestviva
148 Posts
Zest is a solid player, if he can win, then he will win, especially on the SPL, he has to fight for his team. beside, is today a bad day for Zest? I would say NO considering his victory against Dear. So, today is not his bad day but he still can't win against a Zerg, that's the problem we should worried about. PS: let's forget about the disruptor, Zest will crush the other protoss with or without it.  | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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Silvana
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On May 10 2016 01:45 bestviva wrote: It's not about his micro or macro,it's about his weakness in PVZ which completely exposed on today's matchup with Solar. He lost to Departure and Rogue on SPL, I thought that's OK maybe Zest was on a bad day. But then he lost to Snute with a 0-3,I still blamed the PING problem and GSL preparing, but after he lost to Departure in Kung Fu Cup and Solar today , I can't find any excuses for him. Zest is a solid player, if he can win, then he will win, especially on the SPL, he has to fight for his team. beside, is today a bad day for Zest? I would say NO considering his victory against Dear. So, today is not his bad day but he still can't win against a Zerg, that's the problem we should worried about. PS: let's forget about the disruptor, Zest will crush the other protoss with or without it. Completely exposed against Solar? I don't agree at all. Zest may or may not have weak PvZ but you cant say it because of the game today. The same about Kung-fu Cup... He didn't play as his level, even you could see his mechanics ( which are matchup independent) were bad. Finally, he lost against Departure in proleague too, but he also defeated Dark and Rogue. And he looked quite on point while doing it so it's noy like he doesnt have a clue about PvZ. Again, Im not saying his PvZ is fine but we can't tell if it's good or bad by looking at today or Kung-fu Cup... | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On May 10 2016 01:59 Olli wrote: PvZ is every protoss' worst matchup. Don't be surprised ir Zest struggles - everyone does. It's somehow Dear's best matchup in LotV. | ||
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[16thSq] Kuro
1221 Posts
But as I said earlier, he seemed really angry today, so I don't think we can take out much from that game. It really had that "ah fuck it" feeling. Also in general, the games with long technical breaks tend to end up weird. On May 09 2016 23:26 Silvana wrote: Someone on reddit is suggesting all these hotkey fuckups could be due to a bug on the game. But I guess if this was the case then Kespa would know, right? Well, it feels like hotkey problems happen almost every week in SPL, so it's definitely possible. We can't tell how often it's players' fault or not though and KeSPA referees don't seem to accept that as explanation. | ||
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