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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
January 31 2016 21:10 GMT
#961
zest probably lost a bet, i don't see any reason for letting stats as the captain
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NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
January 31 2016 21:19 GMT
#962
On February 01 2016 06:10 Makro wrote:
zest probably lost a bet, i don't see any reason for letting stats as the captain

I don't try to devalue Stats because I think it's really mean to do so, but I don't get why Stats get the captaincy status and Zest doesn't either. I'm pretty Zest is better than him in term of personal achievement...
I'm sorry for all those that got their hearts broken by Zest | Zest, Bisu, soO, herO, MC, Maru, TY, Rogue, Trap, TaeJa", Favourite foreigners: ShoWTimE, Snute, Serral and Nerchio| KT BEST KT |
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
January 31 2016 21:47 GMT
#963
On February 01 2016 06:19 NinjaToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 06:10 Makro wrote:
zest probably lost a bet, i don't see any reason for letting stats as the captain

I don't try to devalue Stats because I think it's really mean to do so, but I don't get why Stats get the captaincy status and Zest doesn't either. I'm pretty Zest is better than him in term of personal achievement...


I think personal achievements should have nothing to do with capitancy. Nor being the oldest in the teamhouse, or being a team member for longer that anyone else.

Imo the player who is able to keep the morale of the team high and has leadership skills is the one who should be captain. Not to bash Stats but he doesn't strike me as a person of that kind at all... So this news have me really surprised.

Maybe being the team captain has little importance nowadays and the players simply switch roles to share visibility in this day of the year (PL media day that is)?
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 31 2016 21:53 GMT
#964
I mean I have no idea what captaincy means tbh. Is it basically that you get to speak in front of the media? Then the less shy/best orator should get the role. Is it basically being the symbol of the team? Then the most legendary player should get the role (but FlaSh was never captain, so I doubt it's that). Is it that you motivate the team, and act as a middle-man between the coaches and the players? Then the guy who's best at motivating others should get it. etc.
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
January 31 2016 22:05 GMT
#965
On February 01 2016 06:47 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 06:19 NinjaToss wrote:
On February 01 2016 06:10 Makro wrote:
zest probably lost a bet, i don't see any reason for letting stats as the captain

I don't try to devalue Stats because I think it's really mean to do so, but I don't get why Stats get the captaincy status and Zest doesn't either. I'm pretty Zest is better than him in term of personal achievement...


I think personal achievements should have nothing to do with capitancy. Nor being the oldest in the teamhouse, or being a team member for longer that anyone else.

Imo the player who is able to keep the morale of the team high and has leadership skills is the one who should be captain. Not to bash Stats but he doesn't strike me as a person of that kind at all... So this news have me really surprised.

Maybe being the team captain has little importance nowadays and the players simply switch roles to share visibility in this day of the year (PL media day that is)?


Maybe in SC2 they just do captaincy as one of those 'everybody wins' type of things and rotate it so everyone gets to feel special. I really can't see much other reason.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-31 23:12:13
January 31 2016 23:10 GMT
#966
On February 01 2016 06:47 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 06:19 NinjaToss wrote:
On February 01 2016 06:10 Makro wrote:
zest probably lost a bet, i don't see any reason for letting stats as the captain

I don't try to devalue Stats because I think it's really mean to do so, but I don't get why Stats get the captaincy status and Zest doesn't either. I'm pretty Zest is better than him in term of personal achievement...


I think personal achievements should have nothing to do with capitancy. Nor being the oldest in the teamhouse, or being a team member for longer that anyone else.

Imo the player who is able to keep the morale of the team high and has leadership skills is the one who should be captain. Not to bash Stats but he doesn't strike me as a person of that kind at all... So this news have me really surprised.

Maybe being the team captain has little importance nowadays and the players simply switch roles to share visibility in this day of the year (PL media day that is)?

Flash was usually attending media day for KT but he was never captain. Being captain btw does have something to do with seniority, SpeeD won't become KT's captain any time soon.

I remember Stork saying BrAvO was a great captain at some point last year, so they probably have extra work to do we don't know about. Which could potentially distract them from practice, which might be a reason for Zest to voluntarily give up the position. You people talking about "demotions" and such aren't even taking that possibility into consideration, by the way.

I also wouldn't be so quick to judge their characters. Stats made a clown out of himself in front of thousands of people with his Proleague ceremonies last year while Zest's biggest struggle in GSL was simply making eye contact with GyuRi. For all we know Stats could be giving epic Braveheart speeches to his teammates every time someone loses a ladder game in practice. Appearances can be deceiving, after all.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 01 2016 10:40 GMT
#967
Zest vs Dear, will be interesting i think. Not 100% who wins though, lotv is still so weird
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 01 2016 11:54 GMT
#968
Zest should have won this game, but that micro at the end was REALLY bad :/
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
February 01 2016 12:47 GMT
#969
I think he looked pretty good today despite the awful micro.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
February 01 2016 12:48 GMT
#970
Losing the first game was really stupid, but at least he got an easy win in the ace match.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 01 2016 12:52 GMT
#971
Yeah, I don't mind the PvP loss. I thought he played the game brilliantly overall, just got the worst possible punishment for control mistakes. But that's how LotV PvP works for now.

The PvT was pretty great.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 01 2016 12:53 GMT
#972
On February 01 2016 21:47 Silvana wrote:
I think he looked pretty good today despite the awful micro.

Hm overall i agree. But that micro in the pvp... That was really subpar.
Still good to see that loss didn't affect him, easy win vs Bravo (lol why would you send Bravo)
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
February 01 2016 12:58 GMT
#973
On February 01 2016 21:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 21:47 Silvana wrote:
I think he looked pretty good today despite the awful micro.

Hm overall i agree. But that micro in the pvp... That was really subpar.
Still good to see that loss didn't affect him, easy win vs Bravo (lol why would you send Bravo)


I think they were expecting KT to send TY and since Bravo has good TvT he could had a snipe build prepared. And since Zest has a fame for losing PvT like crazy maybe they thought they were covered in that aspect too.

Now, ROFL how fool from Samsung to think KT would stop being stubborn as always...

Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
February 01 2016 13:01 GMT
#974
Well apparently the team decided the ace for KT, at least that's what Zest said. Seems like a dubious way to select your ace, but okay.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
February 01 2016 13:02 GMT
#975
KT is pretty simple I think, their strategy is just always pick Zest, whereas there were some serious mind game going on with Samsung
Zest still best by the way, I'm still a bit salty about his micro in the third game, but at the end of the day it doesn't even matter
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 01 2016 13:03 GMT
#976
Yeah TvT sniper was my first thought as well, but even then. TY's TvT is pretty good, in fact all his matchups look pretty good.
Dear/Solar would have been the better choice imo.


Zest vs Maru isn't far away btw, will be interesting to see but tbh i am not that convinced that Zest will make it :/ Sucks so hard that he got this draw, especially because there are only 2 gsl/ssl tournaments this year -.-
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
February 01 2016 13:06 GMT
#977
You know, what if BrAvO was the sniper for Zest and his cyclone build was supposed to win him the game and failed horrifically?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
February 01 2016 13:07 GMT
#978
On February 01 2016 22:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Yeah TvT sniper was my first thought as well, but even then. TY's TvT is pretty good, in fact all his matchups look pretty good.
Dear/Solar would have been the better choice imo.


Zest vs Maru isn't far away btw, will be interesting to see but tbh i am not that convinced that Zest will make it :/ Sucks so hard that he got this draw, especially because there are only 2 gsl/ssl tournaments this year -.-


Yeah I'm not confident either. It seems that Maru can just win without preparation, just with his bio buttheadding style alone.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 01 2016 13:12 GMT
#979
On February 01 2016 22:06 Elentos wrote:
You know, what if BrAvO was the sniper for Zest and his cyclone build was supposed to win him the game and failed horrifically?

I actually think sending your strongest player is always better than gambling on a sniper build.
Sure the sniper build can work and then it looks amazing, but if it doesn't it looks like the ace we got today haha.
At the end of the day the strongest player on the team (especially if he has no weak matchup) has the highest chance of winning the game i think.


On February 01 2016 22:07 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 22:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Yeah TvT sniper was my first thought as well, but even then. TY's TvT is pretty good, in fact all his matchups look pretty good.
Dear/Solar would have been the better choice imo.


Zest vs Maru isn't far away btw, will be interesting to see but tbh i am not that convinced that Zest will make it :/ Sucks so hard that he got this draw, especially because there are only 2 gsl/ssl tournaments this year -.-


Yeah I'm not confident either. It seems that Maru can just win without preparation, just with his bio buttheadding style alone.


I am also somewhat conflicted because i am a big Maru fan myself haha. Overall i obviously still prefer Zest to make it, but it just makes me sad that one of them is out in code a -.-
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
February 01 2016 13:18 GMT
#980
On February 01 2016 22:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 22:06 Elentos wrote:
You know, what if BrAvO was the sniper for Zest and his cyclone build was supposed to win him the game and failed horrifically?

I actually think sending your strongest player is always better than gambling on a sniper build.
Sure the sniper build can work and then it looks amazing, but if it doesn't it looks like the ace we got today haha.
At the end of the day the strongest player on the team (especially if he has no weak matchup) has the highest chance of winning the game i think.

Yeah I don't know. I mean their strongest player (Solar) got his soul crushed by TY and their 2nd strongest player got a bit lucky with his win (and also was wearing a mask so may not have been in peak condition). I think it's best when we stop trying to understand Choya and Stork's decisions.
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