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On August 29 2017 04:18 ghostmaster93 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2017 03:09 pvsnp wrote:
I was kinda disappointed that he lost to Classic today but not hugely. Classic prepared super hard and wanted to win way more than Inno. I'm guessing that Inno underestimated/mispredicted as well because Classic normally plays standard and Inno normally beats him that way. Like I said before, I think Inno has a tendency to get arrogant/complacent when he is facing an opponent he knows he's superior to. But then his opponent prepares super hard while Inno slacks off and he winds up losing.
Hopefully SSL was a wakeup call for him to take ByuN seriously in GSL because even though Inno's demonstrated his TvT is simply better than ByuN's on multiple occasions, ByuN has already announced that he really, really wants to win because he really, really, really needs the WCS points for Blizzcon (and Inno is already guaranteed).
In any case, even if he made the playoffs I had a hard time seeing him win SSL against Classic, Dear, and Stats. Too many Protoss, too much TvP, and one of them would eventually prepare well enough to beat Inno in his weakest MU.
GSL on the other hand has a much more favorable bracket (only T+Z most likely) so best of luck to him there. If Inno takes every opponent seriously (ByuN, TY/Dark, then probably Rogue) he can definitely score another GSL trophy. Although his bracket has his favourite match up, I don't see it's favorable. Instead I see it's much more tougher compared to the other bracket.
Just looking at the two sides of the GSL bracket, I would agree that Inno/ByuN/TY/Dark is definitely tougher than Solar/sOs/Stats/Rogue. But obviously Inno has no control over where he lands in the bracket, and given the hand he's been dealt I think he has a pretty high chance of making the finals.
TvT with ByuN should be no problem given their history. Same with TY. If Dark wins he will be the most difficult opponent but I still wouldn't favor any Zerg, Dark included, in an offline Bo7 against INnoVation with plenty of prep time.
Something that seems to be frequently overlooked about Inno is that he is really good at preparing for important matches. He hasn't lost an offline Bo7 against Zerg or Terran since 2013 (Soulkey and Maru, respectively).
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On August 29 2017 04:18 ghostmaster93 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2017 03:09 pvsnp wrote:
I was kinda disappointed that he lost to Classic today but not hugely. Classic prepared super hard and wanted to win way more than Inno. I'm guessing that Inno underestimated/mispredicted as well because Classic normally plays standard and Inno normally beats him that way. Like I said before, I think Inno has a tendency to get arrogant/complacent when he is facing an opponent he knows he's superior to. But then his opponent prepares super hard while Inno slacks off and he winds up losing.
Hopefully SSL was a wakeup call for him to take ByuN seriously in GSL because even though Inno's demonstrated his TvT is simply better than ByuN's on multiple occasions, ByuN has already announced that he really, really wants to win because he really, really, really needs the WCS points for Blizzcon (and Inno is already guaranteed).
In any case, even if he made the playoffs I had a hard time seeing him win SSL against Classic, Dear, and Stats. Too many Protoss, too much TvP, and one of them would eventually prepare well enough to beat Inno in his weakest MU.
GSL on the other hand has a much more favorable bracket (only T+Z most likely) so best of luck to him there. If Inno takes every opponent seriously (ByuN, TY/Dark, then probably Rogue) he can definitely score another GSL trophy. Although his bracket has his favourite match up, I don't see it's favorable. Instead I see it's much more tougher compared to the other bracket.
I agree. The other bracket seems a lot smoother, especially with sOs and Solar.
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On August 29 2017 05:12 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2017 04:18 ghostmaster93 wrote:On August 29 2017 03:09 pvsnp wrote:
I was kinda disappointed that he lost to Classic today but not hugely. Classic prepared super hard and wanted to win way more than Inno. I'm guessing that Inno underestimated/mispredicted as well because Classic normally plays standard and Inno normally beats him that way. Like I said before, I think Inno has a tendency to get arrogant/complacent when he is facing an opponent he knows he's superior to. But then his opponent prepares super hard while Inno slacks off and he winds up losing.
Hopefully SSL was a wakeup call for him to take ByuN seriously in GSL because even though Inno's demonstrated his TvT is simply better than ByuN's on multiple occasions, ByuN has already announced that he really, really wants to win because he really, really, really needs the WCS points for Blizzcon (and Inno is already guaranteed).
In any case, even if he made the playoffs I had a hard time seeing him win SSL against Classic, Dear, and Stats. Too many Protoss, too much TvP, and one of them would eventually prepare well enough to beat Inno in his weakest MU.
GSL on the other hand has a much more favorable bracket (only T+Z most likely) so best of luck to him there. If Inno takes every opponent seriously (ByuN, TY/Dark, then probably Rogue) he can definitely score another GSL trophy. Although his bracket has his favourite match up, I don't see it's favorable. Instead I see it's much more tougher compared to the other bracket. Just looking at the two sides of the GSL bracket, I would agree that Inno/ByuN/TY/Dark is definitely tougher than Solar/sOs/Stats/Rogue. But obviously Inno has no control over where he lands in the bracket, and given the hand he's been dealt I think he has a pretty high chance of making the finals. TvT with ByuN should be no problem given their history. Same with TY. If Dark wins he will be the most difficult opponent but I still wouldn't favor any Zerg, Dark included, in an offline Bo7 against INnoVation with plenty of prep time. Something that seems to be frequently overlooked about Inno is that he is really good at preparing for important matches. He hasn't lost an offline Bo7 against Zerg or Terran since 2013 (Soulkey and Maru, respectively).
Well, you don't play many Bo7s outside of GSL finals/semis, and he hasn't lost one of those since 2013.
But currently per Aligulac TvT is the weakest MU for both ByuN and TY which is promising for INno, but I definitively feel either of those can beat INno on the day (and vice versa)
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Innovation: Well many people call me Terran crybaby, but I stand by my claim because this is what I feel during my practice sessions. If the balance is good I will admit it. So hopefully people won't judge me too much.
Dear pro players.Stop saying he is crybaby because it makes him mad and four-0 you every fucking time.And of course the quality of the final will be hilariously bad.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/6xcjn8/korean_pros_balance_talk/
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Innovation may teach a master class on how to throw a game. Even when he throws a game, he throws it like a MACHINE. Inhuman throw...
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Grats Inno! <3 You got this GSL!! FIGHTING!!!
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Inno made me sweat for a bit, but he pulled through in the end!
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your Country52797 Posts
Congrats! 
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Facing Dark in a week, that is gonna be one hell of a series.
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As much as I want him to, I can't see him getting past Dark
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Inno vs Dark will be sick! Season 3 code s champion as it was promised
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And then most likely Stats in the finals...
Whoever wins this season can be legitimately hyped up as the best player going forward
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Inno vs Stats might not have the best games but they have a decent rivalry going on, so a code s final between them would be sick from that pov.
Though Inno would need to perform extremely good in everything goign forward to have a shot at player of the year tbh, Stats has this on lockdown pretty much.
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On September 03 2017 02:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Inno vs Stats might not have the best games but they have a decent rivalry going on, so a code s final between them would be sick from that pov.
Though Inno would need to perform extremely good in everything goign forward to have a shot at player of the year tbh, Stats has this on lockdown pretty much.
While I agree that Stats has been more consistent in high placings, Inno did win three premier tournaments (one of which was a starleague) and a major during this WCS year. And I think he has a better H2H against Stats (unsure).
So I would say that it's pretty close for player of the year.
For Zergs, I would say that Dark has the best vT/P even though Rogue may be more well-rounded given that he is also great in the mirror. soO has the best overall results though. One would have to say that it's not as clear cut with Zergs.
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If Inno wins GSL he is the best player of the year
-He started the year at Gyeonggi destroying Stats 6-1 both series combined and beating Dark best ZvT player on the planet with noone beeing even close to him in therm of ZvT.
-He then made a top 8 at GSL1 only losing to Stats after being up 2-0, toping group of death
-Got TvTed out of Katowiced and GSL ST and GSL 2 by aLive but later fixed his TvT
-Won SSL1 by murdering everyone
-Won VSL only losing 1 map to soO including Qualifier (albeit the competition wasn't that big)
-Won GSL vs the World 13-1 destroying Byun, Stats, TY ....
-Top 8 at Shanghai losing 3-2 to herO
-5th at SSL2n losing the deciding match to Classic
-Icing on the cake : He broked GSLTV The Loser Strikes Back
If he beats Dark and Stats he is the player of the year.
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Nah stats' results are just way too good, Inno would need to win GSL and do better than stats in the super tournament and blizzcon to have a real chance.
Especially because Stats is at least 2nd in SSL and 3-4th in GSL. His results > Inno's results.
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On September 03 2017 04:57 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Nah stats' results are just way too good, Inno would need to win GSL and do better than stats in the super tournament and blizzcon to have a real chance.
Especially because Stats is at least 2nd in SSL and 3-4th in GSL. His results > Inno's results.
Do you think there is a possibility of a dual starleague champion? This is the closest we got since + Show Spoiler + won GSL and lost ro4 in SSL
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On September 03 2017 05:09 Sakat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2017 04:57 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Nah stats' results are just way too good, Inno would need to win GSL and do better than stats in the super tournament and blizzcon to have a real chance.
Especially because Stats is at least 2nd in SSL and 3-4th in GSL. His results > Inno's results. Do you think there is a possibility of a dual starleague champion? This is the closest we got since + Show Spoiler + won GSL and lost ro4 in SSL
I mean both stats and dark could make it happen so the chance is decent tbh.
Realistically i wouldn't bet on it though ^^
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