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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
On September 03 2017 05:11 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean both stats and dark could make it happen so the chance is decent tbh. Realistically i wouldn't bet on it though ^^ Inb4 we get Dear and sOs winning | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
On September 03 2017 04:57 The_Red_Viper wrote: Nah stats' results are just way too good, Inno would need to win GSL and do better than stats in the super tournament and blizzcon to have a real chance. Especially because Stats is at least 2nd in SSL and 3-4th in GSL. His results > Inno's results. Oh yeah he got second at Sanghai too, I forgot that :/ But I still think it's a close fight, Stats is really really freaking good. God had he beaten him in RO8 It would be another story  | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
starleagues: Inno: 1st, at least ro4, 5th (~ ro4), ro8 and ro16 Stats: 1st, at least 2nd, at least ro4, 4th (~ro4), ro8 Stats clearly wins this, even if stats loses all his matches from now on and inno wins GSL it's probably a Stats win. other (That iem win was last year) Inno: 1st, 2x ro8, ro16 Stats: 2nd, ro4, 9-12th and ro16 Inno with the slight edge here, if we wanna count results of the last 12 months then Stats gets a 2nd + 3 ro4 finishes on top of that and wins this category as well. Stats' results were just insane the last 12 months, i think Inno is always more in the spotlight and might be scarier in general, but Stats simply keeps winning important matches and just tournament results based he clearly is on top atm. | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On September 03 2017 05:09 Sakat wrote: Do you think there is a possibility of a dual starleague champion? This is the closest we got since + Show Spoiler + Life Byul got pretty close too | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On September 03 2017 06:57 The_Red_Viper wrote: The difference between a really high finish (ro4+) and a championship can only count for so much. starleagues: Inno: 1st, at least ro4, 5th (~ ro4), ro8 and ro16 Stats: 1st, at least 2nd, at least ro4, 4th (~ro4), ro8 Stats clearly wins this, even if stats loses all his matches from now on and inno wins GSL it's probably a Stats win. other (That iem win was last year) Inno: 1st, 2x ro8, ro16 Stats: 2nd, ro4, 9-12th and ro16 Inno with the slight edge here, if we wanna count results of the last 12 months then Stats gets a 2nd + 3 ro4 finishes on top of that and wins this category as well. Stats' results were just insane the last 12 months, i think Inno is always more in the spotlight and might be scarier in general, but Stats simply keeps winning important matches and just tournament results based he clearly is on top atm. Call me myopic if you will, but I personally weight the trophy far more than a second place or semifinalist finish. First loser is an oversimplification, but the last hundred meters are the hardest, and they make all the difference between victory and defeat. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On September 04 2017 03:49 pvsnp wrote: Call me myopic if you will, but I personally weight the trophy far more than a second place or semifinalist finish. First loser is an oversimplification, but the last hundred meters are the hardest, and they make all the difference between victory and defeat. A Trophy in the long term means more than 3 second place. Ask soO about that. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 04 2017 03:49 pvsnp wrote: Call me myopic if you will, but I personally weight the trophy far more than a second place or semifinalist finish. First loser is an oversimplification, but the last hundred meters are the hardest, and they make all the difference between victory and defeat. What does far more mean though. Like sure a first place counts more but this: On September 04 2017 05:16 Mun_Su wrote: A Trophy in the long term means more than 3 second place. Ask soO about that. seems really unreasonable to me. A first place isn't worth more than three second places in my eyes. soO can say that on an emotional level but the difference is minor tbh. "Worst case" it's one map win/loss. Personally i find it hard to even value 1st place twice as much tbh. When i look at Stats' results over the last 12 months i see an insane run which might be up there with the best we ever had tbh. Inno won more tournaments but his overall results are imo clearly inferior atm. But GSL, super tournament and blizzcon might change that depending on how well stats does. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2217 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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ScrappyRabbit
200 Posts
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
On September 09 2017 15:38 ScrappyRabbit wrote: 3 cheeses and 4 double-banshee mech builds. Who said Innovation wasn't Innovative again? but i still think if he didn't go for these cheeses, he could have won much easier. Apparently Dark lost all the games Inno went mech. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
Gratz INnopation. You're the absolute best. | ||
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ScrappyRabbit
200 Posts
On September 09 2017 15:40 ParksonVN wrote: but i still think if he didn't go for these cheeses, he could have won much easier. Apparently Dark lost all the games Inno went mech. Tough to say. Dark stomped his mech build in Game 1, and got nicely ahead against it in Game 2 before Inno pulled out some great fights and managed to pull off a comeback. The first time Inno cheesed, Dark went 3 hatch before gas and didn't have scouting until Inno had proxied a Rax, Reactor, Factory, and Starport -- he kinda botched that game tbh, and Dark made a miracle hold. Game 4 Inno cheesed again and won, although he got some bad luck when he couldn't snipe a hatch after taking it down to like 30 health. Game 5 Inno went back to the mech and won clean. Game 6 Inno went for the 2-rax that worked in Game 3, got the hatch that Dark gave up, but fell for a 1-base Nydus and lost. Game 7 was back-and-forth, and it was genius counter-attacking and army-splitting that won the game, he easily could have lost if he'd gone for straight-up fights against Dark's Viper/Brood. TL;DR every game could have gone either way, wasn't a build order thing. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Best series I've seen in a long, long time. So happy that Inno took it. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On September 09 2017 15:53 pvsnp wrote: Inno didn't stomp, but he did play amazingly well. The reason he didn't stomp was just because Dark is also an amazing player and put up one hell of a fight. Best series I've seen in a long, long time. So happy that Inno took it. sure, also we can't really expect him to stomp the best ZvT in the world. beating him is good enough. | ||
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