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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 17:37:11
June 25 2013 17:36 GMT
#2501
He looks very unfocused and passive in his gameplay. I'm not sure why, it's like he is a different player now.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 18:05:02
June 25 2013 18:04 GMT
#2502
oops, wrong thread
dreaming of a sunny day
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
June 25 2013 21:06 GMT
#2503
On June 26 2013 02:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
He looks very unfocused and passive in his gameplay. I'm not sure why, it's like he is a different player now.

Life's mentally broken. He's too afraid of losing, that's why he's playing more passively than he used to. That's why he overcommits when he thinks he has an opening and essentially all ins, win or lose.

I knew before Dreamhack, that there was some bad stuff going on, and I'm sad to be right. I knew he was frustrated with the game.

He's not the only Zerg struggling by the way. What everyone expected to happen in HotS launch is happening now, it just took some time for the meta-game to begin to settle and builds to be refined. If people think Soulkey is going to save Zerg, they're in for a rude awakening.

No one is talking about it because the Zergs in GSL managed to Roach/Bane bust their way to the championship in season 1, but Zerg winning a macro game in ZvT has become a really rare occurrence in Korea. Here are some stats from Aligulac:

PL Round 4: TvZ 61%, PvZ 59%
PL Round 5: TvZ 65%, PvZ 58%
PL Round 6 so far: TvZ 60%, PvZ 50%
WCS Korea Season 2 so far including U&Ds: TvZ 68%, PvZ 54%
GSTL: TvZ 59%, PvZ 60%

People can talk about sample sizes all they want, but if you see the same pattern round after round, it should tell you something. And like I said, these ZvT win rates are with all the Roach/Bane busts, take those out, and the win rates in macro games would look dismal.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 25 2013 21:46 GMT
#2504
On June 26 2013 06:06 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 02:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
He looks very unfocused and passive in his gameplay. I'm not sure why, it's like he is a different player now.

Life's mentally broken. He's too afraid of losing, that's why he's playing more passively than he used to. That's why he overcommits when he thinks he has an opening and essentially all ins, win or lose.

I knew before Dreamhack, that there was some bad stuff going on, and I'm sad to be right. I knew he was frustrated with the game.

He's not the only Zerg struggling by the way. What everyone expected to happen in HotS launch is happening now, it just took some time for the meta-game to begin to settle and builds to be refined. If people think Soulkey is going to save Zerg, they're in for a rude awakening.

No one is talking about it because the Zergs in GSL managed to Roach/Bane bust their way to the championship in season 1, but Zerg winning a macro game in ZvT has become a really rare occurrence in Korea. Here are some stats from Aligulac:

PL Round 4: TvZ 61%, PvZ 59%
PL Round 5: TvZ 65%, PvZ 58%
PL Round 6 so far: TvZ 60%, PvZ 50%
WCS Korea Season 2 so far including U&Ds: TvZ 68%, PvZ 54%
GSTL: TvZ 59%, PvZ 60%

People can talk about sample sizes all they want, but if you see the same pattern round after round, it should tell you something. And like I said, these ZvT win rates are with all the Roach/Bane busts, take those out, and the win rates in macro games would look dismal.


Don't be such a nay sayer (esp in his fan club )

Hes 19 for 25 in June giving him a 76% winrate (TLPD) which is even higher than his impressive 70% winrate for HotS in general. Also he's only a few points away from topping out the Aligulac ratings. If anything he's on a hot streak. People are judging all of this slump nonsense on about 4 games.
dreaming of a sunny day
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
June 25 2013 21:57 GMT
#2505
On June 26 2013 06:46 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 06:06 sitromit wrote:
On June 26 2013 02:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
He looks very unfocused and passive in his gameplay. I'm not sure why, it's like he is a different player now.

Life's mentally broken. He's too afraid of losing, that's why he's playing more passively than he used to. That's why he overcommits when he thinks he has an opening and essentially all ins, win or lose.

I knew before Dreamhack, that there was some bad stuff going on, and I'm sad to be right. I knew he was frustrated with the game.

He's not the only Zerg struggling by the way. What everyone expected to happen in HotS launch is happening now, it just took some time for the meta-game to begin to settle and builds to be refined. If people think Soulkey is going to save Zerg, they're in for a rude awakening.

No one is talking about it because the Zergs in GSL managed to Roach/Bane bust their way to the championship in season 1, but Zerg winning a macro game in ZvT has become a really rare occurrence in Korea. Here are some stats from Aligulac:

PL Round 4: TvZ 61%, PvZ 59%
PL Round 5: TvZ 65%, PvZ 58%
PL Round 6 so far: TvZ 60%, PvZ 50%
WCS Korea Season 2 so far including U&Ds: TvZ 68%, PvZ 54%
GSTL: TvZ 59%, PvZ 60%

People can talk about sample sizes all they want, but if you see the same pattern round after round, it should tell you something. And like I said, these ZvT win rates are with all the Roach/Bane busts, take those out, and the win rates in macro games would look dismal.


Don't be such a nay sayer (esp in his fan club )

Hes 19 for 25 in June giving him a 76% winrate (TLPD) which is even higher than his impressive 70% winrate for HotS in general. Also he's only a few points away from topping out the Aligulac ratings. If anything he's on a hot streak. People are judging all of this slump nonsense on about 4 games.

His win rate is padded from stomping foreigners in DH, it's meaningless.

And that's besides the point, because this is not just about Life. He may not be dealing particularly well with the situation he's found himself in but just give it a bit more time and the other shoe will drop.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 25 2013 22:15 GMT
#2506
On June 26 2013 06:57 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 06:46 packrat386 wrote:
On June 26 2013 06:06 sitromit wrote:
On June 26 2013 02:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
He looks very unfocused and passive in his gameplay. I'm not sure why, it's like he is a different player now.

Life's mentally broken. He's too afraid of losing, that's why he's playing more passively than he used to. That's why he overcommits when he thinks he has an opening and essentially all ins, win or lose.

I knew before Dreamhack, that there was some bad stuff going on, and I'm sad to be right. I knew he was frustrated with the game.

He's not the only Zerg struggling by the way. What everyone expected to happen in HotS launch is happening now, it just took some time for the meta-game to begin to settle and builds to be refined. If people think Soulkey is going to save Zerg, they're in for a rude awakening.

No one is talking about it because the Zergs in GSL managed to Roach/Bane bust their way to the championship in season 1, but Zerg winning a macro game in ZvT has become a really rare occurrence in Korea. Here are some stats from Aligulac:

PL Round 4: TvZ 61%, PvZ 59%
PL Round 5: TvZ 65%, PvZ 58%
PL Round 6 so far: TvZ 60%, PvZ 50%
WCS Korea Season 2 so far including U&Ds: TvZ 68%, PvZ 54%
GSTL: TvZ 59%, PvZ 60%

People can talk about sample sizes all they want, but if you see the same pattern round after round, it should tell you something. And like I said, these ZvT win rates are with all the Roach/Bane busts, take those out, and the win rates in macro games would look dismal.


Don't be such a nay sayer (esp in his fan club )

Hes 19 for 25 in June giving him a 76% winrate (TLPD) which is even higher than his impressive 70% winrate for HotS in general. Also he's only a few points away from topping out the Aligulac ratings. If anything he's on a hot streak. People are judging all of this slump nonsense on about 4 games.

His win rate is padded from stomping foreigners in DH, it's meaningless.


People who are slumping don't stomp through brackets like that. Also all of those wins only add a little bit to his rating. For life to be slumping his actual skill would have to be so far ahead of his ratings that it would be ridiculous. A few games lost does not a slump make.
dreaming of a sunny day
partydude89
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1850 Posts
June 25 2013 22:23 GMT
#2507
Even when life is "slumping" like he is kinda now, i still feel when watching his games that he's not playing bad. yeah, he makes some questionable moves that can cost him the game, but i still feel as if he's a really good player. i wouldn't say hes become bad at all.
#1 Official Hack Fan|#2 Bomber behind Wintex.|Curious|Life|Flash|TY|Cure|Maru|sOs|Jin Air Green Wings fighting!|SBENU Fighting!|
Xrero
Profile Joined August 2010
United States120 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 02:59:11
June 26 2013 02:58 GMT
#2508
It sucks he didn't go through...makes the rest of the tournament lifeless..

But seriously, he has that extra magic, that star ability, and he's not going anywhere. Life will return and own it up - just a matter of time.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
RawBeeG
Profile Joined June 2013
50 Posts
June 26 2013 07:51 GMT
#2509
Its weird because he is making mistakes that he would never dream of doing before....the zerg who pioneered anti mine play/micro against mines is the one that is losing units to mines because he doesn't have overseers....
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
June 26 2013 12:49 GMT
#2510
Give the guy some time. He'll be back!

Although a lot of eSF stars such as DRG and Leenock have been losing a lot lately, so I am not 100% sure...
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
June 26 2013 14:40 GMT
#2511
I really hope he comes out of the slight hole he is now. Only 16 though, can do SO many things! As a very big fan I really wish him the best to get back on his domination feet. The bo1 format is also pretty crappy, but let's not go into that. Life will return soon enough!
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 26 2013 18:16 GMT
#2512
Zergs seriously need to stop winning championships so we can get a buff already!
:D
moo...for DRG
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 14:39:11
June 27 2013 10:18 GMT
#2513
Feels like Life isn't that confident in his playstyle anymore. He hasn't played his usual ling heavy style in any ZvT in a long time. At DH he played that really weird super defensive roaches into late mutas, and in OSL against Fantasy he just rushed to mutas (his eco was behind because of it). Against KangHo he was playing really well, but took a stupid engagement that essentially lost him the game.

Well at least now he has time to practise and get to back to top shape! Gogo Life, fighting~
Hello
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
June 27 2013 14:01 GMT
#2514
How's he supposed to play his Ling heavy style now that Terrans have realized they can make both Hellbats and Widow Mines at the same time?

You can see that he's trying to find solutions. At DH he was trying the late gas openers to be able to get enough Queens out against Hellbat drops. Then he tried Roaches, it puts him behind regardless, even if he doesn't take direct damage from the drops. It also delays his tech which means he doesn't have Mutas or Baneling speed when the 3 base push moves out. The push also has leftover Hellbats from the drops, so Lings are even less effective than they are against only bio/mine.

Against Fantasy he tried rushing to Mutas, but that also put him behind economically. He thought he had an opening when he killed Fantasy's first push and tried to go for the kill, because he knew he couldn't keep trading, but Widow Mines ended that pretty quickly.

There's a reason for everything he does, he's not stupid.

There's a fundamental problem with Muta/Ling that no one talks about. I love it when casters say "oh, he's falling behind in upgrades". Zerg is trading against very cheap mineral units with Muta/Bane, bleeding gas to hold the pushes. Mines are reusable, Banelings are not.

Terran only needs an Armory for 2/2, Zerg needs a Lair. But when it comes to 3/3 Terran doesn't need anything else can keep upgrading, but Zerg has to spend gas on an Infestation Pit, then a Hive, just to get 3/3, gas Zerg doesn't have when going Muta/Ling/Bane against Bio/Mine/Hellbat. Gas and time.

There's a reason 7/8 Terrans advanced in OSL.
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 19:58:40
June 27 2013 14:27 GMT
#2515
I misworded my thoughts, sorry. I understand why he changed his style and I agree with everything you said.

You bring out a very good point in the upgrade issue. Hadn't thought about that.

So that this post isn't completely off-topic; does anyone know his barcode account(s)? I only know his main Life account but he prolly doesn't use it as much for obvious reasons.
Hello
bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
June 27 2013 14:37 GMT
#2516
life fighting
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
June 28 2013 02:28 GMT
#2517
What is the next major tournament life will attend?
cookiz
Profile Joined March 2013
Burma181 Posts
June 28 2013 02:40 GMT
#2518
next season GSL. Wcs KR S3
maybe GSTL
to bad he give up MLG :<
IM_MVP | DRG (<ゝω·)☆
chang_wang
Profile Joined June 2013
6 Posts
June 28 2013 02:55 GMT
#2519
So I guess Life isn't going to the Asian Indoor Championships or MLG.
RawBeeG
Profile Joined June 2013
50 Posts
June 28 2013 04:54 GMT
#2520
Btw, the dreamhack summer replay pack is out (link not on TL) and so it has his games if you want to look at them. And yeah no more life other than RSL or GSTL
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