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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On June 10 2012 20:32 mememolly wrote: just go on the MLG site and skip on the timeline to stephano vs MKP, I watched the vods just now That series was insane. I can't believe that he let MKP get back in to it, though. :/ | ||
Poopi
France12911 Posts
Hoping for a Stephano vs MKP rematch, with MKP still winning though. | ||
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Shun12
France22 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On June 10 2012 20:25 nazR wrote: Well i think obviously a lower level would learn a lot of things from Stephano but that kind of things Idra already knows about so it's much more in-depth and gamesense. I get what idra means, can't really teach talent I think it's more you can't teach instincts and Stephano's instincts when it comes to sc2 gameplay is ridiculous right now. Compare it to a player like Thorzain and you can see a massive difference in how you can approach the game in different ways and be successful. A player like Thorzain can probably give you a long and thorough explanation of his strategy from early to late game while Stephano more a master of adaptation and will have a harder time to give you that kind of "road map" to success. If you read Stephano's interviews when someone try to get him to answer strategy question you often find his answers lack concrete things you can take right away and learn yourself, making his way of play much harder to teach someone else. | ||
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mostevil
United Kingdom611 Posts
On June 10 2012 20:25 nazR wrote: Well i think obviously a lower level would learn a lot of things from Stephano but that kind of things Idra already knows about so it's much more in-depth and gamesense. I get what idra means, can't really teach talent It wouldn't really be in his interest to either. If your gift is understanding and creativity at the highest level why would you teach it to someone who's perceived as more mechanical but with less gamesense, you'll be surpassed (assuming perceptions are correct  ). I think Idra would struggle to lean from stephano anyway as he seems to get locked into ideas of whats the "right way to play", based on his public persona I think he'd argue rather than listen... | ||
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nazR
France158 Posts
On June 10 2012 20:51 nihlon wrote: I think it's more you can't teach instincts and Stephano's instincts when it comes to sc2 gameplay is ridiculous right now. Compare it to a player like Thorzain and you can see a massive difference in how you can approach the game in different ways and be successful. A player like Thorzain can probably give you a long and thorough explanation of his strategy from early to late game while Stephano more a master of adaptation and will have a harder time to give you that kind of "road map" to success. If you read Stephano's interviews when someone try to get him to answer strategy question you often find his answers lack concrete things you can take right away and learn yourself, making his way of play much harder to teach someone else. How is that different from what i said ? :D Instincts are a part of talent | ||
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w.s
Sweden850 Posts
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Lordanubis
United Kingdom198 Posts
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indxrje
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On June 10 2012 22:26 indxrje wrote: I think he will get top 3 No more 3rd place for the love of god! Would just be sad to see another 3rd place | ||
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DOUDOU
Wales2940 Posts
what? sorry idra, you clearly never listen to him cast (somebody remember when it was?) | ||
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thezanursic
5498 Posts
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thezanursic
5498 Posts
On June 11 2012 00:26 DOUDOU wrote: "He's a terrible teacher because he doesn't know what he's doing" what? sorry idra, you clearly never listen to him cast (somebody remember when it was?) The TL interview and it's true. Stephano plays by his guts he doesn't know why things work he just does it. Do you ever have that feeling OHH I have to do this and this, right now well he operates on that. We all have that to some extent. For instance my stomach starts hurting if I don't have turrets up at 11:30 in TvZ. It's just built into me. | ||
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Black17
France435 Posts
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KainiT
Austria392 Posts
On June 11 2012 00:35 thezanursic wrote: The TL interview and it's true. Stephano plays by his guts he doesn't know why things work he just does it. Do you ever have that feeling OHH I have to do this and this, right now well he operates on that. We all have that to some extent. For instance my stomach starts hurting if I don't have turrets up at 11:30 in TvZ. It's just built into me. you just say this because some crappy casters told you, he actually coaches very well and i've never seen someone comentating with more game insight than stephano, he commentated his stream a few times... I don't know where he got his knowledge from, since he claims to only practice a few hours a day and doesn't do to much other sc2 related things but he sure as hell knows what he is doing | ||
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
On June 11 2012 00:26 DOUDOU wrote: "He's a terrible teacher because he doesn't know what he's doing" what? sorry idra, you clearly never listen to him cast (somebody remember when it was?) IdrA is still hating on Stephano? Funnily enough, around the first MLG MKP participated in (the one that Huk won if I recall correctly), IdrA said that MKP was the most overrated korean player and that Stephano will drop off when his "playstyle" will be "figured out". Look where these two players are now :D. Maybe he is hating because Stephano attracts more viewers than him, despite not even being american? edit : Oh and I played two games in a row against Stephano on the same map, he sure knows what he is doing given how he adapted. Dunno about his teaching skills though. | ||
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Sylverin
United States480 Posts
On June 11 2012 00:35 thezanursic wrote: The TL interview and it's true. Stephano plays by his guts he doesn't know why things work he just does it. Do you ever have that feeling OHH I have to do this and this, right now well he operates on that. We all have that to some extent. For instance my stomach starts hurting if I don't have turrets up at 11:30 in TvZ. It's just built into me. Your brain is telling you subconciously due to previous experience that at 11:30 get turrets up or you lose. Stephano may not scientifically dissect the game, but to say he doesn't know what he is doing? I won't presume to know for certain what he thinks about or does with the game. My only point is no one could get this far not knowing what they are doing. besides doesn't IdrA still lose to mid masters protoss?.... Edit: 1 more hour til DAY 3 !!! HYPE | ||
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Lasbike
France2888 Posts
On June 11 2012 00:15 Benjamin99 wrote: No more 3rd place for the love of god! Would just be sad to see another 3rd place Actually, that'd be very good if he got top3 ! http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Spring/Championship His next match will be against one of those player : -Grubby -SaSe -Leenock -Polt -Alive -Oz Those 3 protoss are ez-pz. But Leenock, Polt and especially Alive are really good. And if he wins this match, he'll face one of those players in the match afterward : -MC -Alicia -Monster -Inori -Ganzi -Symbol -Puma Once again, 2 players in this list are reaaaaally strong (MC & Symbol).. And after those 2 matchs won, he'll be at least top3, but as you can see considering players, that would already be amazing. | ||
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ETisME
12704 Posts
On June 11 2012 01:30 Lasbike wrote: Actually, that'd be very good if he got top3 ! http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Spring/Championship His next match will be against one of those player : -Grubby -SaSe -Leenock -Polt -Alive -Oz Those 3 protoss are ez-pz. But Leenock, Polt and especially Alive are really good. And if he wins this match, he'll face one of those players in the match afterward : -MC -Alicia -Monster -Inori -Ganzi -Symbol -Puma Once again, 2 players in this list are reaaaaally strong (MC & Symbol).. And after those 2 matchs won, he'll be at least top3, but as you can see considering players, that would already be amazing. don't ignore oz, puma and monster too | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On June 11 2012 00:52 Poopi wrote: IdrA is still hating on Stephano? Funnily enough, around the first MLG MKP participated in (the one that Huk won if I recall correctly), IdrA said that MKP was the most overrated korean player and that Stephano will drop off when his "playstyle" will be "figured out". Look where these two players are now :D. Maybe he is hating because Stephano attracts more viewers than him, despite not even being american? edit : Oh and I played two games in a row against Stephano on the same map, he sure knows what he is doing given how he adapted. Dunno about his teaching skills though. No. IdrA said that it is extremely hard to talk to him about the game on a high level because Stephano is completely reactionary based on what he sees and he makes predictions that are always correct based on the small amount of information he receives which IdrA himself obiously can't mimic and Stephano probably can't explain thoroughly enough. He likes Stephano and stop assuming stuff before you type. | ||
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