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AIOL!
France962 Posts
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damod
1106 Posts
On December 15 2011 23:26 epicdemic wrote: Just think about it: - Dominated the Starcraft scene for a significant period of time - Has a very high winning percentage - Has many successive title wins - Is particularly dominant - Is revolutionizing his race's play All the things that makes someone a bonjwa, especially now that another bonjwa is using his builds  even Nestea and MVP who each won GSL code S 3 times, are not considered "bonjwa"... pretty sure you are trolling  | ||
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
Very far from it yet, if ever, considering he won't participate in GSL anytime soon. Unless he participates and finishes top3 in every MLG next year, you can rule this criteria out - Has a very high winning percentage Arguable, 50% in GSL, over 70% in ladders, probably quite high in European tournaments as well - Has many successive title wins yes and no, successive title wins, but some would argue they weren't significant enough. - Is particularly dominant Definitely no - Is revolutionizing his race's play Yes in ZvT, no in the other matchups, so arguable again. All in one, calling Stephano a bonjwa is a no go. It's actually hurting his reputation and the one of his fans A bonjwa is not one among the best players in the world, he is clearly dominating the whole scene, including the other best players.Only player in 2011 who might have been a candidate for bonjwa title would have been MVP had he won the GSL Blizzard Cup. It's not even sure you can designate a bonjwa on a such young title as SC2 anyway...maybe in a few years. Edit : still quite amazing to see other recognized pros, especially korean ones, to use Stephano's build ! Unless I'm mistaken, he is the one who created, or at least popularized, this build. This kind of recognition is nice and shows he is not only a player with "good mechanics" (hi DRG !) but he can also create and be a source of inspiration. | ||
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AIOL!
France962 Posts
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
On December 15 2011 23:41 AIOL! wrote: Who were the bonjwas in BW ? Boxer, JD and Flash ? that's it, no ? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa | ||
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0ne
Spain2464 Posts
On December 15 2011 23:41 AIOL! wrote: Who were the bonjwas in BW ? Boxer, JD and Flash ? that's it, no ? JD is not considered a bonjwa. Iloveoov, Boxer, Nada, Savior and Flash. | ||
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Funkydonky
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AIOL!
France962 Posts
On December 15 2011 23:43 0ne wrote: JD is not considered a bonjwa. Iloveoov, Boxer, Nada, Savior and Flash. Why is iloveoov a bonjwa ? from his graph he doesn't appear do be that dominent for a long time... And you can see 4/5 bonjwas are terran Was it the same in BW as in sc2, where PvP and ZvZ were sor random you couldn't "dominate" ? BTW this is why you only see terrans with crazy ratios in ladder,because they can win TvT more often, if they are better, than Zergs and protoss. | ||
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epicdemic
Netherlands137 Posts
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AIOL!
France962 Posts
On December 15 2011 23:55 epicdemic wrote: Flash is not a bonjwa, he did not fundementally change the game. Are you crazy ? | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
On December 15 2011 23:55 epicdemic wrote: Flash is not a bonjwa, he did not fundementally change the game. um... I still think you are trolling, but whatever... Bonjwa is a term used to describe a player who dominates the StarCraft scene for a long period of time, typically over a year. A bonjwa has a very high winning percentage and many successive title wins. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa | ||
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TTOMZ
United Kingdom156 Posts
On December 15 2011 23:54 AIOL! wrote: Why is iloveoov a bonjwa ? from his graph he doesn't appear do be that dominent for a long time... And you can see 4/5 bonjwas are terran Was it the same in BW as in sc2, where PvP and ZvZ were sor random you couldn't "dominate" ? BTW this is why you only see terrans with crazy ratios in ladder,because they can win TvT more often, if they are better, than Zergs and protoss.Oov is a bonjwa because over the period of a year and a half he went 33-2 the best record any player ever achieved over that time period, he also went 27-0 vs zerg making him the greatest player vs any race ever. | ||
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AIOL!
France962 Posts
On December 16 2011 00:02 TTOMZ wrote: Oov is a bonjwa because over the period of a year and a half he went 33-2 the best record any player ever achieved over that time period, he also went 27-0 vs zerg making him the greatest player vs any race ever. Wow that's crazy oO | ||
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hyuu
163 Posts
And then, savior arrive ... you should read this awesome article -> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236 | ||
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epicdemic
Netherlands137 Posts
On December 16 2011 00:00 damod wrote: um... I still think you are trolling, but whatever... http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa Why do you think JD is not bonjwa? He's just someone who wins. A lot. He has the most televised wins but no bonjwa status. That Liquipedia article is not fully correct. It lists some of the aspects of the term bonjwa, but not the most important one. A large part of the bonjwa status is a feeling that you get when you watch the player. Like, "wow, what is this guy pulling off, nothing like this has been done before". All Flash did was improve some timings in some builds, other than that he just won a lot. That's also why Stephano is the first bonjwa, his unique builds in IPL3 amazed everyone, everyone was going muta-ling in ZvT. This is also why MVP is not Bonjwa: he just wins a lot. Stephano's play is revolutionary. Edit: also Flash is not a bonjwa because there were 2 dominating players during his era: him and Jaedong. | ||
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HappyChris
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0ne
Spain2464 Posts
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Dawg_Snow
France425 Posts
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damod
1106 Posts
On December 16 2011 00:13 epicdemic wrote: Why do you think JD is not bonjwa? He's just someone who wins. A lot. He has the most televised wins but no bonjwa status. That Liquipedia article is not fully correct. It lists some of the aspects of the term bonjwa, but not the most important one. A large part of the bonjwa status is a feeling that you get when you watch the player. Like, "wow, what is this guy pulling off, nothing like this has been done before". All Flash did was improve some timings in some builds, other than that he just won a lot. That's also why Stephano is the first bonjwa, his unique builds in IPL3 amazed everyone, everyone was going muta-ling in ZvT. This is also why MVP is not Bonjwa: he just wins a lot. Stephano's play is revolutionary. Edit: also Flash is not a bonjwa because there were 2 dominating players during his era: him and Jaedong. umm... i did not claim that JD is not Bonjwa, just said that Flash is indeed a Bonjwa according to the terms and Liquipedia  liquipedia says that JD is a "Near-Bonjwa" :/ | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
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