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AIOL!
Profile Joined January 2011
France962 Posts
December 15 2011 14:35 GMT
#2561
Naniwa is a bonjwa of sc2, he revolutionized protoss race by inventing 7 probes rush :p
Stephano!!!!!!/Nerchio/Mana/Hasuobs/Grubby/Kas/Tarson/Sarens/Goody/BeastyCury
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 14:37:54
December 15 2011 14:36 GMT
#2562
On December 15 2011 23:26 epicdemic wrote:
Just think about it:

- Dominated the Starcraft scene for a significant period of time
- Has a very high winning percentage
- Has many successive title wins
- Is particularly dominant
- Is revolutionizing his race's play

All the things that makes someone a bonjwa, especially now that another bonjwa is using his builds

even Nestea and MVP who each won GSL code S 3 times, are not considered "bonjwa"...

pretty sure you are trolling
EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 14:42:27
December 15 2011 14:39 GMT
#2563
- Dominated the Starcraft scene for a significant period of time
Very far from it yet, if ever, considering he won't participate in GSL anytime soon. Unless he participates and finishes top3 in every MLG next year, you can rule this criteria out
- Has a very high winning percentage
Arguable, 50% in GSL, over 70% in ladders, probably quite high in European tournaments as well
- Has many successive title wins
yes and no, successive title wins, but some would argue they weren't significant enough.
- Is particularly dominant
Definitely no
- Is revolutionizing his race's play
Yes in ZvT, no in the other matchups, so arguable again.

All in one, calling Stephano a bonjwa is a no go. It's actually hurting his reputation and the one of his fans A bonjwa is not one among the best players in the world, he is clearly dominating the whole scene, including the other best players.

Only player in 2011 who might have been a candidate for bonjwa title would have been MVP had he won the GSL Blizzard Cup. It's not even sure you can designate a bonjwa on a such young title as SC2 anyway...maybe in a few years.

Edit : still quite amazing to see other recognized pros, especially korean ones, to use Stephano's build ! Unless I'm mistaken, he is the one who created, or at least popularized, this build. This kind of recognition is nice and shows he is not only a player with "good mechanics" (hi DRG !) but he can also create and be a source of inspiration.
Shadow and dust
AIOL!
Profile Joined January 2011
France962 Posts
December 15 2011 14:41 GMT
#2564
Who were the bonjwas in BW ? Boxer, JD and Flash ? that's it, no ?
Stephano!!!!!!/Nerchio/Mana/Hasuobs/Grubby/Kas/Tarson/Sarens/Goody/BeastyCury
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
December 15 2011 14:43 GMT
#2565
On December 15 2011 23:41 AIOL! wrote:
Who were the bonjwas in BW ? Boxer, JD and Flash ? that's it, no ?

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa
Shadow and dust
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
December 15 2011 14:43 GMT
#2566
On December 15 2011 23:41 AIOL! wrote:
Who were the bonjwas in BW ? Boxer, JD and Flash ? that's it, no ?

JD is not considered a bonjwa. Iloveoov, Boxer, Nada, Savior and Flash.
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
December 15 2011 14:54 GMT
#2567
will he stream today ? ;/
Favorite players: Stephano, Mana, Polt, Lucifron, Nerchio
AIOL!
Profile Joined January 2011
France962 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 14:59:25
December 15 2011 14:54 GMT
#2568
On December 15 2011 23:43 0ne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 23:41 AIOL! wrote:
Who were the bonjwas in BW ? Boxer, JD and Flash ? that's it, no ?

JD is not considered a bonjwa. Iloveoov, Boxer, Nada, Savior and Flash.


Why is iloveoov a bonjwa ? from his graph he doesn't appear do be that dominent for a long time... And you can see 4/5 bonjwas are terran Was it the same in BW as in sc2, where PvP and ZvZ were sor random you couldn't "dominate" ? BTW this is why you only see terrans with crazy ratios in ladder,because they can win TvT more often, if they are better, than Zergs and protoss.
Stephano!!!!!!/Nerchio/Mana/Hasuobs/Grubby/Kas/Tarson/Sarens/Goody/BeastyCury
epicdemic
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands137 Posts
December 15 2011 14:55 GMT
#2569
Flash is not a bonjwa, he did not fundementally change the game.
AIOL!
Profile Joined January 2011
France962 Posts
December 15 2011 14:58 GMT
#2570
On December 15 2011 23:55 epicdemic wrote:
Flash is not a bonjwa, he did not fundementally change the game.


Are you crazy ?
Stephano!!!!!!/Nerchio/Mana/Hasuobs/Grubby/Kas/Tarson/Sarens/Goody/BeastyCury
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 15:01:09
December 15 2011 15:00 GMT
#2571
On December 15 2011 23:55 epicdemic wrote:
Flash is not a bonjwa, he did not fundementally change the game.

um... I still think you are trolling, but whatever...

Bonjwa is a term used to describe a player who dominates the StarCraft scene for a long period of time, typically over a year. A bonjwa has a very high winning percentage and many successive title wins.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa
EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
TTOMZ
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom156 Posts
December 15 2011 15:02 GMT
#2572
On December 15 2011 23:54 AIOL! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 23:43 0ne wrote:
On December 15 2011 23:41 AIOL! wrote:
Who were the bonjwas in BW ? Boxer, JD and Flash ? that's it, no ?

JD is not considered a bonjwa. Iloveoov, Boxer, Nada, Savior and Flash.


Why is iloveoov a bonjwa ? from his graph he doesn't appear do be that dominent for a long time... And you can see 4/5 bonjwas are terran Was it the same in BW as in sc2, where PvP and ZvZ were sor random you couldn't "dominate" ? BTW this is why you only see terrans with crazy ratios in ladder,because they can win TvT more often, if they are better, than Zergs and protoss.


Oov is a bonjwa because over the period of a year and a half he went 33-2 the best record any player ever achieved over that time period, he also went 27-0 vs zerg making him the greatest player vs any race ever.
9 pool you say?
AIOL!
Profile Joined January 2011
France962 Posts
December 15 2011 15:04 GMT
#2573
On December 16 2011 00:02 TTOMZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 23:54 AIOL! wrote:
On December 15 2011 23:43 0ne wrote:
On December 15 2011 23:41 AIOL! wrote:
Who were the bonjwas in BW ? Boxer, JD and Flash ? that's it, no ?

JD is not considered a bonjwa. Iloveoov, Boxer, Nada, Savior and Flash.


Why is iloveoov a bonjwa ? from his graph he doesn't appear do be that dominent for a long time... And you can see 4/5 bonjwas are terran Was it the same in BW as in sc2, where PvP and ZvZ were sor random you couldn't "dominate" ? BTW this is why you only see terrans with crazy ratios in ladder,because they can win TvT more often, if they are better, than Zergs and protoss.


Oov is a bonjwa because over the period of a year and a half he went 33-2 the best record any player ever achieved over that time period, he also went 27-0 vs zerg making him the greatest player vs any race ever.


Wow that's crazy oO
Stephano!!!!!!/Nerchio/Mana/Hasuobs/Grubby/Kas/Tarson/Sarens/Goody/BeastyCury
hyuu
Profile Joined August 2011
163 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 15:13:30
December 15 2011 15:12 GMT
#2574
On December 16 2011 00:04 AIOL! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 00:02 TTOMZ wrote:
On December 15 2011 23:54 AIOL! wrote:
On December 15 2011 23:43 0ne wrote:
On December 15 2011 23:41 AIOL! wrote:
Who were the bonjwas in BW ? Boxer, JD and Flash ? that's it, no ?

JD is not considered a bonjwa. Iloveoov, Boxer, Nada, Savior and Flash.


Why is iloveoov a bonjwa ? from his graph he doesn't appear do be that dominent for a long time... And you can see 4/5 bonjwas are terran Was it the same in BW as in sc2, where PvP and ZvZ were sor random you couldn't "dominate" ? BTW this is why you only see terrans with crazy ratios in ladder,because they can win TvT more often, if they are better, than Zergs and protoss.


Oov is a bonjwa because over the period of a year and a half he went 33-2 the best record any player ever achieved over that time period, he also went 27-0 vs zerg making him the greatest player vs any race ever.


Wow that's crazy oO


And then, savior arrive ...
you should read this awesome article -> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236
epicdemic
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands137 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 15:14:32
December 15 2011 15:13 GMT
#2575
On December 16 2011 00:00 damod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 23:55 epicdemic wrote:
Flash is not a bonjwa, he did not fundementally change the game.

um... I still think you are trolling, but whatever...

Show nested quote +
Bonjwa is a term used to describe a player who dominates the StarCraft scene for a long period of time, typically over a year. A bonjwa has a very high winning percentage and many successive title wins.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa


Why do you think JD is not bonjwa? He's just someone who wins. A lot. He has the most televised wins but no bonjwa status. That Liquipedia article is not fully correct. It lists some of the aspects of the term bonjwa, but not the most important one. A large part of the bonjwa status is a feeling that you get when you watch the player. Like, "wow, what is this guy pulling off, nothing like this has been done before". All Flash did was improve some timings in some builds, other than that he just won a lot.

That's also why Stephano is the first bonjwa, his unique builds in IPL3 amazed everyone, everyone was going muta-ling in ZvT. This is also why MVP is not Bonjwa: he just wins a lot. Stephano's play is revolutionary.

Edit: also Flash is not a bonjwa because there were 2 dominating players during his era: him and Jaedong.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 15 2011 15:18 GMT
#2576
Cant we plz stop with this bonjwa crap in the Stephano fan club it just gonna piss people off and will incite flaming.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 15:22:36
December 15 2011 15:22 GMT
#2577
The only true bonjovi of sc2 is

Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
December 15 2011 15:24 GMT
#2578
Flash was definitly a bonjwa bro. Strongest player ever, i would like him to pass to sc2 :x
Stephano, Sarens, Tarson, Mana, MMA, MVP -- Dawg EU Master Terran
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 15:31:24
December 15 2011 15:25 GMT
#2579
On December 16 2011 00:13 epicdemic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 00:00 damod wrote:
On December 15 2011 23:55 epicdemic wrote:
Flash is not a bonjwa, he did not fundementally change the game.

um... I still think you are trolling, but whatever...

Bonjwa is a term used to describe a player who dominates the StarCraft scene for a long period of time, typically over a year. A bonjwa has a very high winning percentage and many successive title wins.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa


Why do you think JD is not bonjwa? He's just someone who wins. A lot. He has the most televised wins but no bonjwa status. That Liquipedia article is not fully correct. It lists some of the aspects of the term bonjwa, but not the most important one. A large part of the bonjwa status is a feeling that you get when you watch the player. Like, "wow, what is this guy pulling off, nothing like this has been done before". All Flash did was improve some timings in some builds, other than that he just won a lot.

That's also why Stephano is the first bonjwa, his unique builds in IPL3 amazed everyone, everyone was going muta-ling in ZvT. This is also why MVP is not Bonjwa: he just wins a lot. Stephano's play is revolutionary.

Edit: also Flash is not a bonjwa because there were 2 dominating players during his era: him and Jaedong.

umm... i did not claim that JD is not Bonjwa, just said that Flash is indeed a Bonjwa according to the terms and Liquipedia

liquipedia says that JD is a "Near-Bonjwa" :/
EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
December 15 2011 15:34 GMT
#2580
Ohh no not the B-word! I dont know what it means but I know that no sc2 player is close to becoming one.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
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