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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 08:58:38
May 24 2012 08:47 GMT
#3401
Mvp is going to be on Off the Record tomorrow, ( Thursday NA, Friday EU/KR ) it airs at 13:00 KST.
xAshCanaaNx
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines150 Posts
May 24 2012 11:18 GMT
#3402
im definitely in here sign me up!
| There will be an answer, let it be. | Mvp | Innovation | Life | Parting | (: Eva Marie :) |
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
May 24 2012 11:36 GMT
#3403
On May 24 2012 06:21 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 19:56 Aunvilgod wrote:
On May 23 2012 16:46 Dodgin wrote:
It's hard to say yes or no because there are no predefined terms for being a bonjwa, when the fans decide a player is one is when it happens. Some people say after he won that he is, some people say no.

It's not important really, the term doesn't have to carry over from Brood War. All that matters is that he is the most accomplished Starcraft 2 player of all time in terms of championships and prize money earned, it doesn't need a fancy title.


Part of being a bonjwa is the elo point ranking though. Mvp consistently has the most points in the GSL, he was at the top since 2011.


Being a bonjwa is not just being at the top consistently. It's being an absolute monster over a period of time to the point where other progamers cry if they have to play you. Jaedong is not a bonjwa, why? The guy was never dominant enough. He fought in an era where Bisu and Flash were just as good as he was. Now take a look at savior, the original bonjwa. In his era, particularly 2006, the guy had something like an 80% win rate. He had no equals, only victims. Imagine every single game he was in being a forgone conclusion for over a year. EVERY SINGLE GAME/SERIES you knew he was gonna win, why even bother watching right? Savior came before my time, but I've had a friend put it in perspective for me. Just imagine Nestea back when he was unstoppable zvz, when every zvz of his you knew was gonna be an auto win for him. Now multiply that aura by 3, and add it to his zvt and zvp as well, that's saviors dominance. While jaedong has surpassed savior in everyway possible, in every stat possible, he has not surpassed that aura of dominance.

Mvp, while being the best in sc2 history so far, has not had that aura of "shit...well this games over" half a year before that game is even played. mvp is my favorite sc2 player by far, but he's not a bonjwa, he's simply the best player in sc2.

Simple answer is...you will know when mvp is a bonjwa when you don't have to ask whether you can call him one or not. When he develops that aura you will know.


This is easily the best description of "Bonjwa" i've read on TL so far. Hell it could be a "sticky" in itself. Now i know were to refer to when the subject comes up (let's be honest, it will always be a dicussion-issue) Thank you for the informative post rysecake
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
May 24 2012 16:31 GMT
#3404
Maybe we should "invent" a new word for SC2 players
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
shadowy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria305 Posts
May 24 2012 17:36 GMT
#3405
Sign me up, please.

I have always been kinda reserved towards Terrans, but MVP won me long time ago. His game understanding is match to no one.
[Fear the leather Gracket!] // ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ // Liquid'Hero hwaiting!
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
May 25 2012 00:02 GMT
#3406
On May 25 2012 01:31 Tauscond wrote:
Maybe we should "invent" a new word for SC2 players


Meh. You can invent words, or we can just call MVP the best player in sc2 history thus far.

Lots of words there unfortunately. Can also call him reigning Blizzcon champ, reigning WCG champ, 4 time GSL champ, highest money earner, best player of 2011, etc.

Or, as people have said, he can just be his namesake.

MVP: the MVP.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 25 2012 00:03 GMT
#3407
On May 25 2012 09:02 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 01:31 Tauscond wrote:
Maybe we should "invent" a new word for SC2 players


Meh. You can invent words, or we can just call MVP the best player in sc2 history thus far.

Lots of words there unfortunately. Can also call him reigning Blizzcon champ, reigning WCG champ, 4 time GSL champ, highest money earner, best player of 2011, etc.

Or, as people have said, he can just be his namesake.

MVP: the MVP.


I prefer King Mvp, that's what he wants to be called. His team even made that banner " return of the king " for the finals.
fer
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada375 Posts
May 25 2012 00:07 GMT
#3408

On May 24 2012 06:21 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 19:56 Aunvilgod wrote:
On May 23 2012 16:46 Dodgin wrote:
It's hard to say yes or no because there are no predefined terms for being a bonjwa, when the fans decide a player is one is when it happens. Some people say after he won that he is, some people say no.

It's not important really, the term doesn't have to carry over from Brood War. All that matters is that he is the most accomplished Starcraft 2 player of all time in terms of championships and prize money earned, it doesn't need a fancy title.


Part of being a bonjwa is the elo point ranking though. Mvp consistently has the most points in the GSL, he was at the top since 2011.


Being a bonjwa is not just being at the top consistently. It's being an absolute monster over a period of time to the point where other progamers cry if they have to play you. Jaedong is not a bonjwa, why? The guy was never dominant enough. He fought in an era where Bisu and Flash were just as good as he was. Now take a look at savior, the original bonjwa. In his era, particularly 2006, the guy had something like an 80% win rate. He had no equals, only victims. Imagine every single game he was in being a forgone conclusion for over a year. EVERY SINGLE GAME/SERIES you knew he was gonna win, why even bother watching right? Savior came before my time, but I've had a friend put it in perspective for me. Just imagine Nestea back when he was unstoppable zvz, when every zvz of his you knew was gonna be an auto win for him. Now multiply that aura by 3, and add it to his zvt and zvp as well, that's saviors dominance. While jaedong has surpassed savior in everyway possible, in every stat possible, he has not surpassed that aura of dominance.

Mvp, while being the best in sc2 history so far, has not had that aura of "shit...well this games over" half a year before that game is even played. mvp is my favorite sc2 player by far, but he's not a bonjwa, he's simply the best player in sc2.

Simple answer is...you will know when mvp is a bonjwa when you don't have to ask whether you can call him one or not. When he develops that aura you will know.


I never ask before I call him bonjwa.
WellPlayed.org <3
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
May 25 2012 01:12 GMT
#3409
On May 25 2012 09:07 fer wrote:

Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 06:21 rysecake wrote:
On May 23 2012 19:56 Aunvilgod wrote:
On May 23 2012 16:46 Dodgin wrote:
It's hard to say yes or no because there are no predefined terms for being a bonjwa, when the fans decide a player is one is when it happens. Some people say after he won that he is, some people say no.

It's not important really, the term doesn't have to carry over from Brood War. All that matters is that he is the most accomplished Starcraft 2 player of all time in terms of championships and prize money earned, it doesn't need a fancy title.


Part of being a bonjwa is the elo point ranking though. Mvp consistently has the most points in the GSL, he was at the top since 2011.


Being a bonjwa is not just being at the top consistently. It's being an absolute monster over a period of time to the point where other progamers cry if they have to play you. Jaedong is not a bonjwa, why? The guy was never dominant enough. He fought in an era where Bisu and Flash were just as good as he was. Now take a look at savior, the original bonjwa. In his era, particularly 2006, the guy had something like an 80% win rate. He had no equals, only victims. Imagine every single game he was in being a forgone conclusion for over a year. EVERY SINGLE GAME/SERIES you knew he was gonna win, why even bother watching right? Savior came before my time, but I've had a friend put it in perspective for me. Just imagine Nestea back when he was unstoppable zvz, when every zvz of his you knew was gonna be an auto win for him. Now multiply that aura by 3, and add it to his zvt and zvp as well, that's saviors dominance. While jaedong has surpassed savior in everyway possible, in every stat possible, he has not surpassed that aura of dominance.

Mvp, while being the best in sc2 history so far, has not had that aura of "shit...well this games over" half a year before that game is even played. mvp is my favorite sc2 player by far, but he's not a bonjwa, he's simply the best player in sc2.

Simple answer is...you will know when mvp is a bonjwa when you don't have to ask whether you can call him one or not. When he develops that aura you will know.


I never ask before I call him bonjwa.


Well then he can be a bonjwa for you =)
The Notorious Winkles
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
May 25 2012 05:35 GMT
#3410
Such a badass.

First progamer ever to win a 1v2 on GSL OTR !!!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 25 2012 05:37 GMT
#3411
On May 25 2012 14:35 S_SienZ wrote:
Such a badass.

First progamer ever to win a 1v2 on GSL OTR !!!


Mvp setting records in GSL trophies and GOM shows!

For anyone who missed it, the VOD will be free to watch in 3 days. If you have a premium subscription to GOM you can watch it right away.
S8on
Profile Joined August 2011
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 08:34:31
May 25 2012 08:30 GMT
#3412
Love his name being "IMMVP", and he truly is the MVP

sign me up

btw


On May 24 2012 12:59 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 12:00 zyzq wrote:
I facepalm every time the word 'bonjwa' is brought up because no Korean uses that term anymore, so stop using it, it just makes Mvp and his fanbase look bad.

Can we just refer to him as being the GOAT? lol


MJ is not pleased



I lol'd
don't get hit
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
May 25 2012 20:13 GMT
#3413
I was really impressed that MVP apparently only offraces when he plays ladder and is still highly ranked (I don't know who he has beaten on ladder, but he said that is former Woongjin teammates have never beaten him).
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
ZeroSC2
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (South)668 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 22:01:08
May 25 2012 21:59 GMT
#3414
The Terran King in SC2~

5th Title incoming.

What you gonna do, Flash?
Flash
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
May 25 2012 22:26 GMT
#3415
damn. GSL Ro32 is the 11th... I wish MVP could come to Anaheim.
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 22:30:05
May 25 2012 22:28 GMT
#3416
On May 26 2012 07:26 Popkiller wrote:
damn. GSL Ro32 is the 11th... I wish MVP could come to Anaheim.


Might not be good for him. He needs to really rest and practice on a schedule that lets him heal his wrists.

edit: I am sad that MVP's blood type is A. Now I can never donate blood to him
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
May 25 2012 22:35 GMT
#3417
On May 26 2012 06:59 ZeroSC2 wrote:
The Terran King in SC2~

5th Title incoming.

What you gonna do, Flash?


From the unimpressed flash meme thread in bw section. I found it hilarious haha

http://i.imgur.com/wj1oo.jpg
The Notorious Winkles
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
May 25 2012 22:41 GMT
#3418
On May 26 2012 07:28 redviper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 07:26 Popkiller wrote:
damn. GSL Ro32 is the 11th... I wish MVP could come to Anaheim.


Might not be good for him. He needs to really rest and practice on a schedule that lets him heal his wrists.

edit: I am sad that MVP's blood type is A. Now I can never donate blood to him


He said he will go to any tournament that invites him. And take their money.
Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
May 25 2012 22:53 GMT
#3419
On May 25 2012 14:37 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 14:35 S_SienZ wrote:
Such a badass.

First progamer ever to win a 1v2 on GSL OTR !!!


Mvp setting records in GSL trophies and GOM shows!

For anyone who missed it, the VOD will be free to watch in 3 days. If you have a premium subscription to GOM you can watch it right away.



Mvp So Good! Also the one where He had no KB and at 90% Handicap. But I think if it was a masters player he could lose
ForGG, Mvp, MMA, MarineKing, BoxeR,
`dunedain
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
655 Posts
May 26 2012 00:32 GMT
#3420
Just rewatched the finals vods.
Mvp really is the Final Boss!

Sooo so so good.
Hopefully he takes some time to get his discs fixed.

Gogogo Mvp, champion of Starcraft 2!
"In order to be created, a work of art must first make use of the dark forces of the soul." ~Albert Camus
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