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On May 14 2011 06:31 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 06:27 1Eris1 wrote:On May 14 2011 05:54 jax1492 wrote:On May 14 2011 05:48 GeneralissimoNero wrote:
I'm sure this fan club will go a long way, supporting one of the most hated players in eSports. I don't know why people hate him, he seems to have become the bad guy ... I'm not sure its justified. Because this isn't actually a Cruncher fan club. It's an Idra-hate club. The fans that don't like IdrA are trying to rally behind Cruncher, so all the hate gets directed at him. I happen to love idra's play, and I love his analysis. I certainly don't hate him. But he can be a ridiculous whiny asshole, and a lot of his fans tend to be equally whiny and even more ridiculous. Also, cruncher is a great player, and he's demonstrated it time and time again.
My point was more:
Anti-Idra fans try to portray Cruncher as literally the best protoss in NA.
Idra Fans portray his as the worst professional player in the game
Truth is, he's neither. And he's not close to either.
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On May 14 2011 06:55 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 06:31 travis wrote:On May 14 2011 06:27 1Eris1 wrote:On May 14 2011 05:54 jax1492 wrote:On May 14 2011 05:48 GeneralissimoNero wrote:
I'm sure this fan club will go a long way, supporting one of the most hated players in eSports. I don't know why people hate him, he seems to have become the bad guy ... I'm not sure its justified. Because this isn't actually a Cruncher fan club. It's an Idra-hate club. The fans that don't like IdrA are trying to rally behind Cruncher, so all the hate gets directed at him. I happen to love idra's play, and I love his analysis. I certainly don't hate him. But he can be a ridiculous whiny asshole, and a lot of his fans tend to be equally whiny and even more ridiculous. Also, cruncher is a great player, and he's demonstrated it time and time again. My point was more: Anti-Idra fans try to portray Cruncher as literally the best protoss in NA. Idra Fans portray his as the worst professional player in the game Truth is, he's neither. And he's not close to either.
And this is just wrong. There are some anti-Idra trolls here, but I would claim there are much more pro-Idra trolls. Just look at the people with their first post in this thread.
Have a look at Crunchers stream thread, there were so many people that liked his play before he beat Idra. Or look at the TSL qualifier thread.
I myself called him second best protoss in NA in the NASL invite thread, before he beat Idra. It clearly had nothing to do with Idra. Now thats a personal opinion of course, but I stand by it. Many would agree that he is the best protoss in USA, so why not be a fan of him?
Yes Cruncher got his fan club after beating Idra, but so did many others after TSL wins, like Adelscott after beating MVP and Thorzain after beating Fruitdealer.
Basically there were only positive comments about Cruncher until he beat Idra. From then on he was suddenly "bad" and played "abusive" and "cheesy" and what not. WTF?
And this is clearly a consequence of Idras comments. I bet he is laughing his ass off about the influence he has on all the trolls. All Cruncher did "wrong" was talking back after all of Idras BM and after beating him. Most people at the time liked though that he didnt put up with all this nonsense when you have a look at the TSL threads.
Aynway I dont think Cruncher cares much about all of this, he always seemed pretty relaxed on his stream. It also helped him to become more known.
But I myself feel bad after reading all the troll comments. It makes me feel somewhat embarassed for being a fellow sc2 fan.
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I love Protoss and I try to cheese as much as possible so naturally I am a big fan of Cruncher
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On May 14 2011 07:45 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 06:55 1Eris1 wrote:On May 14 2011 06:31 travis wrote:On May 14 2011 06:27 1Eris1 wrote:On May 14 2011 05:54 jax1492 wrote:On May 14 2011 05:48 GeneralissimoNero wrote:
I'm sure this fan club will go a long way, supporting one of the most hated players in eSports. I don't know why people hate him, he seems to have become the bad guy ... I'm not sure its justified. Because this isn't actually a Cruncher fan club. It's an Idra-hate club. The fans that don't like IdrA are trying to rally behind Cruncher, so all the hate gets directed at him. I happen to love idra's play, and I love his analysis. I certainly don't hate him. But he can be a ridiculous whiny asshole, and a lot of his fans tend to be equally whiny and even more ridiculous. Also, cruncher is a great player, and he's demonstrated it time and time again. My point was more: Anti-Idra fans try to portray Cruncher as literally the best protoss in NA. Idra Fans portray his as the worst professional player in the game Truth is, he's neither. And he's not close to either. And this is just wrong. There are some anti-Idra trolls here, but I would claim there are much more pro-Idra trolls. Just look at the people with their first post in this thread. Have a look at Crunchers stream thread, there were so many people that liked his play before he beat Idra. Or look at the TSL qualifier thread. I myself called him second best protoss in NA in the NASL invite thread, before he beat Idra. It clearly had nothing to do with Idra. Now thats a personal opinion of course, but I stand by it. Many would agree that he is the best protoss in USA, so why not be a fan of him? Yes Cruncher got his fan club after beating Idra, but so did many others after TSL wins, like Adelscott after beating MVP and Thorzain after beating Fruitdealer. Basically there were only positive comments about Cruncher until he beat Idra. From then on he was suddenly "bad" and played "abusive" and "cheesy" and what not. WTF? And this is clearly a consequence of Idras comments. I bet he is laughing his ass off about the influence he has on all the trolls. All Cruncher did "wrong" was talking back after all of Idras BM and after beating him. Most people at the time liked though that he didnt put up with all this nonsense when you have a look at the TSL threads. Aynway I dont think Cruncher cares much about all of this, he always seemed pretty relaxed on his stream. It also helped him to become more known. But I myself feel bad after reading all the troll comments. It makes me feel somewhat embarassed for being a fellow sc2 fan.
Really? His stream tripled in popularity after the whole IdrA affair. Why is the front page littered with IdrA related material?
I'm not arguing against Cruncher, but as it happens, a huge portion of his "fanbase" is Idra-haters. You can argue all you want. But when Cruncher wins a series, he gets 3-5 posts in this thread. When he does something IdrA related, bam 3-5 if not more pages.
I guess I'm arguing this is just a bad fanclub. It'd be a lot better if this was renamed to the Anti-Idra Fanclub or prefferable deleted and another was made for Cruncher.
It doesn't matter if Cruncher goes 0-100 in his next 100 games or wins 10 GSLs in a row, at this point, it's just a battleground.
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all this pointless drama between pro idra and anti idra fanboys gives me more reason to start thinking that SC2's community is a bunch of whiney 12 year olds
idra hates cruncher so what, doesn't mean you need to hate cruncher just because idra hates him / like cruncher because cruncher hates idra
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On May 14 2011 08:18 askTeivospy wrote:
all this pointless drama between pro idra and anti idra fanboys gives me more reason to start thinking that SC2's community is a bunch of whiney 12 year olds
idra hates cruncher so what, doesn't mean you need to hate cruncher just because idra hates him / like cruncher because cruncher hates idra
You make a wonderful point except for the fact that you KNOW the SC2 fanbase isn't a bunch of whiny 12 year olds because that would make you a whiny 12 year old.
And yes, we don't have to hate Cruncher because IdrA hates him but we do because we like IdrA and think he's hilarious and awesome so we like agreeing with his views which, currently, are that Cruncher is a total faggot.
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On May 14 2011 08:15 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 07:45 Redox wrote:On May 14 2011 06:55 1Eris1 wrote:On May 14 2011 06:31 travis wrote:On May 14 2011 06:27 1Eris1 wrote:On May 14 2011 05:54 jax1492 wrote:On May 14 2011 05:48 GeneralissimoNero wrote:
I'm sure this fan club will go a long way, supporting one of the most hated players in eSports. I don't know why people hate him, he seems to have become the bad guy ... I'm not sure its justified. Because this isn't actually a Cruncher fan club. It's an Idra-hate club. The fans that don't like IdrA are trying to rally behind Cruncher, so all the hate gets directed at him. I happen to love idra's play, and I love his analysis. I certainly don't hate him. But he can be a ridiculous whiny asshole, and a lot of his fans tend to be equally whiny and even more ridiculous. Also, cruncher is a great player, and he's demonstrated it time and time again. My point was more: Anti-Idra fans try to portray Cruncher as literally the best protoss in NA. Idra Fans portray his as the worst professional player in the game Truth is, he's neither. And he's not close to either. And this is just wrong. There are some anti-Idra trolls here, but I would claim there are much more pro-Idra trolls. Just look at the people with their first post in this thread. Have a look at Crunchers stream thread, there were so many people that liked his play before he beat Idra. Or look at the TSL qualifier thread. I myself called him second best protoss in NA in the NASL invite thread, before he beat Idra. It clearly had nothing to do with Idra. Now thats a personal opinion of course, but I stand by it. Many would agree that he is the best protoss in USA, so why not be a fan of him? Yes Cruncher got his fan club after beating Idra, but so did many others after TSL wins, like Adelscott after beating MVP and Thorzain after beating Fruitdealer. Basically there were only positive comments about Cruncher until he beat Idra. From then on he was suddenly "bad" and played "abusive" and "cheesy" and what not. WTF? And this is clearly a consequence of Idras comments. I bet he is laughing his ass off about the influence he has on all the trolls. All Cruncher did "wrong" was talking back after all of Idras BM and after beating him. Most people at the time liked though that he didnt put up with all this nonsense when you have a look at the TSL threads. Aynway I dont think Cruncher cares much about all of this, he always seemed pretty relaxed on his stream. It also helped him to become more known. But I myself feel bad after reading all the troll comments. It makes me feel somewhat embarassed for being a fellow sc2 fan. Really? His stream tripled in popularity after the whole IdrA affair. Why is the front page littered with IdrA related material? I'm not arguing against Cruncher, but as it happens, a huge portion of his "fanbase" is Idra-haters. You can argue all you want. But when Cruncher wins a series, he gets 3-5 posts in this thread. When he does something IdrA related, bam 3-5 if not more pages. I guess I'm arguing this is just a bad fanclub. It'd be a lot better if this was renamed to the Anti-Idra Fanclub or prefferable deleted and another was made for Cruncher. It doesn't matter if Cruncher goes 0-100 in his next 100 games or wins 10 GSLs in a row, at this point, it's just a battleground.
Just to expand on this, this "fan" club doesn't even have the team cruncher plays for or any other personal outside info about him other than his real life name. The OP is littered with IdrA pictures and this entire thread has literally just turned into a cesspool of people trolling each other. I'd heavily support the option to just close this thread and actually have a proper one made for him so his actual FANS can praise/talk about him there instead of all the post-TSL and stream-sniping atrocity that this thread has turned into.
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On May 14 2011 06:29 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 06:15 GeneralissimoNero wrote:On May 14 2011 05:54 jax1492 wrote:On May 14 2011 05:48 GeneralissimoNero wrote:
I'm sure this fan club will go a long way, supporting one of the most hated players in eSports. I don't know why people hate him, he seems to have become the bad guy ... I'm not sure its justified. When someone BM's the most popular and famous foreigner out there right now people get pretty pissed off. It's not a case of one random thing in a tournament, it's a case of him just trying to piss off Idra as much as possible and stream snipe him and all that in every waking moment of his life. That's probably why people hate him, myself included. The irony is awe inspiring. Also, I haven't ever seen cruncher say anything negative to or about Idra (which frankly is amazing). "every waking moment of his life". lol, what a joke
You should watch the games on IdrA's stream when he plays cruncher. He outplays him totally while cruncher is trying to troll/bm him.
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Can people stop bringing Idra up? Cruncher doesn't care about Idra at all.
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On May 14 2011 06:55 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 06:31 travis wrote:On May 14 2011 06:27 1Eris1 wrote:On May 14 2011 05:54 jax1492 wrote:On May 14 2011 05:48 GeneralissimoNero wrote:
I'm sure this fan club will go a long way, supporting one of the most hated players in eSports. I don't know why people hate him, he seems to have become the bad guy ... I'm not sure its justified. Because this isn't actually a Cruncher fan club. It's an Idra-hate club. The fans that don't like IdrA are trying to rally behind Cruncher, so all the hate gets directed at him. I happen to love idra's play, and I love his analysis. I certainly don't hate him. But he can be a ridiculous whiny asshole, and a lot of his fans tend to be equally whiny and even more ridiculous. Also, cruncher is a great player, and he's demonstrated it time and time again. My point was more: Anti-Idra fans try to portray Cruncher as literally the best protoss in NA. Idra Fans portray his as the worst professional player in the game Truth is, he's neither. And he's not close to either.
I couldn't agree more.
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On May 14 2011 06:55 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 06:31 travis wrote:On May 14 2011 06:27 1Eris1 wrote:On May 14 2011 05:54 jax1492 wrote:On May 14 2011 05:48 GeneralissimoNero wrote:
I'm sure this fan club will go a long way, supporting one of the most hated players in eSports. I don't know why people hate him, he seems to have become the bad guy ... I'm not sure its justified. Because this isn't actually a Cruncher fan club. It's an Idra-hate club. The fans that don't like IdrA are trying to rally behind Cruncher, so all the hate gets directed at him. I happen to love idra's play, and I love his analysis. I certainly don't hate him. But he can be a ridiculous whiny asshole, and a lot of his fans tend to be equally whiny and even more ridiculous. Also, cruncher is a great player, and he's demonstrated it time and time again. My point was more: Anti-Idra fans try to portray Cruncher as literally the best protoss in NA. Idra Fans portray his as the worst professional player in the game Truth is, he's neither. And he's not close to either.
this is such a true post. completely agree. I think it would be a bit foolish to say he is one of the best NA protoss, give it a few months, see how he does at some MLG's etc and in NASL.
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Random fat guy in an elevator.
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I love watching Idra get shit on by CrunCher and I've never seen such good blink stalker micro.
GO CRUNCHER!
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My hero if you punch idra in the face at some lan event.
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really well played v moman, congratz
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Just got done watching CrunCher's macro games vs MoMaN in NASL week 7 day 2...
daaaaamn man! CrunCher out expo'd the zerg and defended the mass ling roach!
He seemed to make a ninja expo's in the other mains at the ~time the zerg was taking his 3rd. Then going on to make his fourth, which looked like his third because it was at the normal time and location. HOW!? does he defend!?
i saw cannons...
i saw zerg not attacking...
was MoMaN outclassed? or did CrunCher break PvZ while no one was looking?
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On May 27 2011 12:56 CoffeeToss wrote:
Just got done watching CrunCher's macro games vs MoMaN in NASL week 7 day 2...
daaaaamn man! CrunCher out expo'd the zerg and defended the mass ling roach!
He seemed to make a ninja expo's in the other mains at the ~time the zerg was taking his 3rd. Then going on to make his fourth, which looked like his third because it was at the normal time and location. HOW!? does he defend!?
i saw cannons...
i saw zerg not attacking...
was MoMaN outclassed? or did CrunCher break PvZ while no one was looking?
No, Cruncher didn't break anything because you can't make revolutionary play with deathballs and sub-par opponents. Cruncher just plays like any other NA protoss and gets a deathball with a few HT's or voidrays and attacks. It has nothing to do with skill, just standard play by an average NA player which doesn't really say alot about how good he is.
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Nice play vs CatZ in the tactic 3d tourney!
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i think cruncher is an excellent player!!! but i think the death ball is soooo boring to watch nowadays. (which makes it had to root for a protoss when they play this style) it is almost as worst as MMM for terran.
i think cruncher would be much more accepted by the community if he throw in some "special tactics" if you will.
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