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tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 19:40:18
June 20 2011 19:29 GMT
#2021
Really bad decisions MC made vs bomber. + Show Spoiler +
G2 - scouting 2 reactored rax pressure and does 1 gate expo. G3 - same damn thing which is worse. And even build a third instead of powering and all in.


Still my favorite player but "over confidence" maybe needs to be turned down a notch against one of the best terrans in the world. Has little to do with practice but thinking he can hold anything with micro.
MC for president
HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
June 20 2011 19:58 GMT
#2022
After his matches in the series against idra at MLG, his antics at the Korea vs. the World Allstars team match and NOW the EPIC commentary with TB at DH (as well as joining with the TL crew to toss HuK after his victory), I find it hard to believe anyone is not a fan of this guy.

<3 MC
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
June 20 2011 20:30 GMT
#2023
On June 21 2011 04:58 HorsemasterK wrote:
After his matches in the series against idra at MLG, his antics at the Korea vs. the World Allstars team match and NOW the EPIC commentary with TB at DH (as well as joining with the TL crew to toss HuK after his victory), I find it hard to believe anyone is not a fan of this guy.

<3 MC

its hard to resist his swag
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
June 20 2011 20:32 GMT
#2024
On June 21 2011 04:29 tdt wrote:
Really bad decisions MC made vs bomber. + Show Spoiler +
G2 - scouting 2 reactored rax pressure and does 1 gate expo. G3 - same damn thing which is worse. And even build a third instead of powering and all in.


Still my favorite player but "over confidence" maybe needs to be turned down a notch against one of the best terrans in the world. Has little to do with practice but thinking he can hold anything with micro.


That's how I sometimes feel about him. Case in point: MC vs. Polt, 1gate expand both games. /cry
rpgalon
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil1069 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 20:52:20
June 20 2011 20:44 GMT
#2025
On June 21 2011 04:29 tdt wrote:
Really bad decisions MC made vs bomber. + Show Spoiler +
G2 - scouting 2 reactored rax pressure and does 1 gate expo. G3 - same damn thing which is worse. And even build a third instead of powering and all in.


Still my favorite player but "over confidence" maybe needs to be turned down a notch against one of the best terrans in the world. Has little to do with practice but thinking he can hold anything with micro.


yeah
game 1, MC clearlly outplays bomber.
game 2, MC scout, then go early expo Oo? against bomber Oo? big blunder!
game 3, MC started outplaying bomber again, but after a very bad move, engaging before storm with a heavy zealot comp and 0 armor upgrades, bomber took the lead and did a nice job containing MC, and just keeping ahead till win.

anyway, bomber did not really impress me in this DH, he played nice but I still think MC have a better chance than him in GSL.

I really don't like when players try to get ahead with ninja expansions (with bomber did a lot in this DH).

Hope to see good games between MC and Bomber in GSL code S groups.
badog
sasobodynamic
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore294 Posts
June 20 2011 22:46 GMT
#2026
yeah MC just threw the 2nd game and he could have won the 3rd one if his army positioning was better in the last few engages.
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 02:01:41
June 21 2011 02:01 GMT
#2027
Anybody know where the homestory cup 3 will be streamed, and any additional info about when MC is playing in it? I can barely find anything about it at all.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
June 21 2011 02:38 GMT
#2028
On June 21 2011 05:44 rpgalon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 04:29 tdt wrote:
Really bad decisions MC made vs bomber. + Show Spoiler +
G2 - scouting 2 reactored rax pressure and does 1 gate expo. G3 - same damn thing which is worse. And even build a third instead of powering and all in.


Still my favorite player but "over confidence" maybe needs to be turned down a notch against one of the best terrans in the world. Has little to do with practice but thinking he can hold anything with micro.


yeah
game 1, MC clearlly outplays bomber.
game 2, MC scout, then go early expo Oo? against bomber Oo? big blunder!
game 3, MC started outplaying bomber again, but after a very bad move, engaging before storm with a heavy zealot comp and 0 armor upgrades, bomber took the lead and did a nice job containing MC, and just keeping ahead till win.

anyway, bomber did not really impress me in this DH, he played nice but I still think MC have a better chance than him in GSL.

I really don't like when players try to get ahead with ninja expansions (with bomber did a lot in this DH).

Hope to see good games between MC and Bomber in GSL code S groups.

MC has been playing to much ninja expos too.. How long has it been since he's one based 4/5/6 gated? I read something once that he wanted to prove he knows how to play macro games but he seems to have taken it to far where that's all he does save PvP. Maybe gotten to predictable and not scary like before.
MC for president
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 03:05:09
June 21 2011 02:59 GMT
#2029
On June 21 2011 11:38 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 05:44 rpgalon wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:29 tdt wrote:
Really bad decisions MC made vs bomber. + Show Spoiler +
G2 - scouting 2 reactored rax pressure and does 1 gate expo. G3 - same damn thing which is worse. And even build a third instead of powering and all in.


Still my favorite player but "over confidence" maybe needs to be turned down a notch against one of the best terrans in the world. Has little to do with practice but thinking he can hold anything with micro.


yeah
game 1, MC clearlly outplays bomber.
game 2, MC scout, then go early expo Oo? against bomber Oo? big blunder!
game 3, MC started outplaying bomber again, but after a very bad move, engaging before storm with a heavy zealot comp and 0 armor upgrades, bomber took the lead and did a nice job containing MC, and just keeping ahead till win.

anyway, bomber did not really impress me in this DH, he played nice but I still think MC have a better chance than him in GSL.

I really don't like when players try to get ahead with ninja expansions (with bomber did a lot in this DH).

Hope to see good games between MC and Bomber in GSL code S groups.

MC has been playing to much ninja expos too.. How long has it been since he's one based 4/5/6 gated? I read something once that he wanted to prove he knows how to play macro games but he seems to have taken it to far where that's all he does save PvP. Maybe gotten to predictable and not scary like before.


I don't think I've seen him ever ninja expo outside of PvP? Ninja expo means that you take a hidden expo and it doesn't get scouted. but yeah he hasn't been doing a ton of his scary timing pushes, I agree. But they are bo3s after all and I think he just wants to win through being the superior player instead of taking any risk. He did roflstomp Cloud easily with a 3 gate sentry expand, then just killed him with a couple zealots, stalkers, and like 9 sentries but I don't know if that's a good risk against other people like Bomber. People just play greedy as hell against MC nowadays to get the edge, like Naugrim and IdrA hiding expos against him. It's sad to see when he loses to his opponents taking massive risks when he plays defensive.


Bo3 is such a sad format, wish most tournaments could adopt a bo5 or bo7 especially in the later stages. I mean, a bo3 between Bomber and MC when there was like 1.5 hours for it? blah
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
June 21 2011 07:30 GMT
#2030
Bleh. G3 left a sour taste in my mouth. GJ to bomber for choosing the right race. -.- Disgusting. Too many alright terrans running about these days. KA would have been key in some of the later engagements. He was on the backfoot from the first misjudgement and then he just lacked the splash/ ff to avoid the countermicro by bomber.

bleh. Annoying. Hope he destroys bomber in the GSL.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 08:00:53
June 21 2011 07:54 GMT
#2031
On June 21 2011 16:30 Sabu113 wrote:
Bleh. G3 left a sour taste in my mouth. GJ to bomber for choosing the right race. -.- Disgusting. Too many alright terrans running about these days. KA would have been key in some of the later engagements. He was on the backfoot from the first misjudgement and then he just lacked the splash/ ff to avoid the countermicro by bomber.

bleh. Annoying. Hope he destroys bomber in the GSL.


Right, because Bomber's just an alright terran who's only winning because T is still OP. /sarcasm

Seriously. You people whine about everything.

MC played really well. Bomber played really well. One of them had to win. Bomber did, what's the problem?

Hell, maybe you don't think MC played well. Maybe you think MC could have done X and Y differently to win. In that case, Bomber played better, so Bomber won.


(note - "you people" in this post refers to people like Sabu, not MC fans.)

- - - -

The only thing I'm pissed about is that they only played a Bo3. Bomber and MC are my two favourite players and I've never seen them play a long series. Pretty sure the longest series they've played was a Bo5 way back when, which MC took 3-2.

And seeing as it's impossible for them to meet up in the finals of Code S this season, I don't know when we'll be able to see a Bo7 between them. =(
"Killer helped me feel better before coming to the arena. He told me to say that." - Bomber
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 08:13:57
June 21 2011 08:10 GMT
#2032
I just think people are upset that MC was in a really good position to win and a couple very small things had big consequences for him. Bomber is good but it just feels like MC is the better player but was outplayed in the small things that mean a ton. He definitely would've beat Moon and was almost guaranteed to beat Huk in what would have been an epic finals (though that's a tough call because they probably practice a good deal, Huk seems to know a ton of MC's builds since he uses them often). Instead we had a rather lackluster finals where the games were like 8 minutes long on average and it feels like the winner just kind of had an easy path to be honest. Though I suppose a PvP finals could have been worse

Either way, hopefully he does practice like a mad man. When MC is in top form he seems unstoppable and is almost solely the reason for PROTOSS IMBA cries across the world. When they meet again I hope that he beats Bomber convincingly, looking forward to the group stages but hope he isn't stretched thin by Homestory Cup and NASL. On the bright side, that means plenty of MC for us to watch :D
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
June 21 2011 08:43 GMT
#2033
On June 21 2011 16:54 Sarang wrote:
And seeing as it's impossible for them to meet up in the finals of Code S this season, I don't know when we'll be able to see a Bo7 between them. =(

Are you sure? If both advance from group play, wouldn't they first meet again in the finals since they are both in the same group?
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
June 21 2011 09:16 GMT
#2034
On June 21 2011 17:43 kochujang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 16:54 Sarang wrote:
And seeing as it's impossible for them to meet up in the finals of Code S this season, I don't know when we'll be able to see a Bo7 between them. =(

Are you sure? If both advance from group play, wouldn't they first meet again in the finals since they are both in the same group?


Hm, yes you're right. The top two from each group can't play each other until the finals, at least if they're still going by the format I just checked (that of GSL May)

Well, that's good news. ^^
"Killer helped me feel better before coming to the arena. He told me to say that." - Bomber
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
June 21 2011 09:49 GMT
#2035
On June 21 2011 18:16 Sarang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 17:43 kochujang wrote:
On June 21 2011 16:54 Sarang wrote:
And seeing as it's impossible for them to meet up in the finals of Code S this season, I don't know when we'll be able to see a Bo7 between them. =(

Are you sure? If both advance from group play, wouldn't they first meet again in the finals since they are both in the same group?


Hm, yes you're right. The top two from each group can't play each other until the finals, at least if they're still going by the format I just checked (that of GSL May)

Well, that's good news. ^^

Yeah, if all goes well, we'll see a lot of MC vs Bomber!
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
June 21 2011 10:24 GMT
#2036
On June 21 2011 11:59 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 11:38 tdt wrote:
On June 21 2011 05:44 rpgalon wrote:
On June 21 2011 04:29 tdt wrote:
Really bad decisions MC made vs bomber. + Show Spoiler +
G2 - scouting 2 reactored rax pressure and does 1 gate expo. G3 - same damn thing which is worse. And even build a third instead of powering and all in.


Still my favorite player but "over confidence" maybe needs to be turned down a notch against one of the best terrans in the world. Has little to do with practice but thinking he can hold anything with micro.


yeah
game 1, MC clearlly outplays bomber.
game 2, MC scout, then go early expo Oo? against bomber Oo? big blunder!
game 3, MC started outplaying bomber again, but after a very bad move, engaging before storm with a heavy zealot comp and 0 armor upgrades, bomber took the lead and did a nice job containing MC, and just keeping ahead till win.

anyway, bomber did not really impress me in this DH, he played nice but I still think MC have a better chance than him in GSL.

I really don't like when players try to get ahead with ninja expansions (with bomber did a lot in this DH).

Hope to see good games between MC and Bomber in GSL code S groups.

MC has been playing to much ninja expos too.. How long has it been since he's one based 4/5/6 gated? I read something once that he wanted to prove he knows how to play macro games but he seems to have taken it to far where that's all he does save PvP. Maybe gotten to predictable and not scary like before.


I don't think I've seen him ever ninja expo outside of PvP? Ninja expo means that you take a hidden expo and it doesn't get scouted. but yeah he hasn't been doing a ton of his scary timing pushes, I agree. But they are bo3s after all and I think he just wants to win through being the superior player instead of taking any risk. He did roflstomp Cloud easily with a 3 gate sentry expand, then just killed him with a couple zealots, stalkers, and like 9 sentries but I don't know if that's a good risk against other people like Bomber. People just play greedy as hell against MC nowadays to get the edge, like Naugrim and IdrA hiding expos against him. It's sad to see when he loses to his opponents taking massive risks when he plays defensive.


Bo3 is such a sad format, wish most tournaments could adopt a bo5 or bo7 especially in the later stages. I mean, a bo3 between Bomber and MC when there was like 1.5 hours for it? blah

Yeah my mistake. I mean 1 gate or forge expos a lot. I'd like him to use his 1 base timing pushes more since he is so devastating with micro and used to win outright with them and keeps other player having to play safe.
MC for president
Zombie_Velociraptor
Profile Joined May 2011
274 Posts
June 21 2011 10:48 GMT
#2037
MC had a small but very critical micro mistake in game 3, during the early-ish defense, where he mis-controlled his Colossi. Looked like he forgot to save them in a group and didn't notice for a few seconds too long or something? But he basically left Colossi in front tanking marauder shells while moving a couple stalkers around instead, he held the pressure but lost 2 Colossus which he absolutely could have saved. He would be in position to counter push or secure a WAY earlier 4th if he hadn't lost them...

Also, I don't know what's the deal with it but I wish MC started going for upgrades faster, having even upgrades is sooo important in PvT, but he often seems to fall behind on that.

Even with these 2 points in mind, Bomber basically got super lucky to take that game - his hidden third was 3 seconds from finishing when MC's Stalker saw it and Bomber got to cancel it, then when MC pressured Bomber, he managed to float his Expo out of range when it was what, 1-2 volleys from death?

Anyway, super excited with MC's play ever since the lackluster PvP's of GSTL, some absolutely amazing performances in Starswar, MLG, and now DH - he's definitely in great shape, hope the constant travelling doesn't harm it too much!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
June 21 2011 11:05 GMT
#2038
On June 21 2011 16:54 Sarang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 16:30 Sabu113 wrote:
Bleh. G3 left a sour taste in my mouth. GJ to bomber for choosing the right race. -.- Disgusting. Too many alright terrans running about these days. KA would have been key in some of the later engagements. He was on the backfoot from the first misjudgement and then he just lacked the splash/ ff to avoid the countermicro by bomber.

bleh. Annoying. Hope he destroys bomber in the GSL.


Right, because Bomber's just an alright terran who's only winning because T is still OP. /sarcasm

Seriously. You people whine about everything.

MC played really well. Bomber played really well. One of them had to win. Bomber did, what's the problem?

Hell, maybe you don't think MC played well. Maybe you think MC could have done X and Y differently to win. In that case, Bomber played better, so Bomber won.


(note - "you people" in this post refers to people like Sabu, not MC fans.)

- - - -

The only thing I'm pissed about is that they only played a Bo3. Bomber and MC are my two favourite players and I've never seen them play a long series. Pretty sure the longest series they've played was a Bo5 way back when, which MC took 3-2.

And seeing as it's impossible for them to meet up in the finals of Code S this season, I don't know when we'll be able to see a Bo7 between them. =(

They played a BO7 in the Ygosu Invitational, Bomber lost 3-4 back in december/january I think.
And in game 3 of DH, Bomber had 150% of MC's army value, but MC managed to stay in the game for longer because of his micro and AoE protoss capabilities.
Too bad they had to play in BO3 and before semi-final :s
WriterMaru
Rammstorm
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1434 Posts
June 21 2011 11:25 GMT
#2039
MC @ GSL selection via phone right after his match vs Bomber: "My strength is my confidence my weakness overconfidence"

He also said via twitter i think that he will practice as if he was going to retire if he didn't win the code S. Imo he's gonna be in BEAST MODE.

HC HWAITING!!!

"MC" -> Master of Ceremonies xD
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
June 21 2011 11:30 GMT
#2040
On June 21 2011 20:05 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 16:54 Sarang wrote:
On June 21 2011 16:30 Sabu113 wrote:
Bleh. G3 left a sour taste in my mouth. GJ to bomber for choosing the right race. -.- Disgusting. Too many alright terrans running about these days. KA would have been key in some of the later engagements. He was on the backfoot from the first misjudgement and then he just lacked the splash/ ff to avoid the countermicro by bomber.

bleh. Annoying. Hope he destroys bomber in the GSL.


Right, because Bomber's just an alright terran who's only winning because T is still OP. /sarcasm

Seriously. You people whine about everything.

MC played really well. Bomber played really well. One of them had to win. Bomber did, what's the problem?

Hell, maybe you don't think MC played well. Maybe you think MC could have done X and Y differently to win. In that case, Bomber played better, so Bomber won.


(note - "you people" in this post refers to people like Sabu, not MC fans.)

- - - -

The only thing I'm pissed about is that they only played a Bo3. Bomber and MC are my two favourite players and I've never seen them play a long series. Pretty sure the longest series they've played was a Bo5 way back when, which MC took 3-2.

And seeing as it's impossible for them to meet up in the finals of Code S this season, I don't know when we'll be able to see a Bo7 between them. =(

They played a BO7 in the Ygosu Invitational, Bomber lost 3-4 back in december/january I think.
And in game 3 of DH, Bomber had 150% of MC's army value, but MC managed to stay in the game for longer because of his micro and AoE protoss capabilities.
Too bad they had to play in BO3 and before semi-final :s


Ahhhh yes, you're right. I knew that it was the Danawa Ygosu tournament, I just thought MC won 3-2, not 4-3.

On June 21 2011 20:25 Rammstorm wrote:
MC @ GSL selection via phone right after his match vs Bomber: "My strength is my confidence my weakness overconfidence"

He also said via twitter i think that he will practice as if he was going to retire if he didn't win the code S. Imo he's gonna be in BEAST MODE.

HC HWAITING!!!



This is why I've got MC on my Fantasy team, and why I have oGs as my winners of the whole event. MC's already an absolute beast, and now he's practicing even harder?

Yeah. Good luck to his opponents.
"Killer helped me feel better before coming to the arena. He told me to say that." - Bomber
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