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On January 15 2012 09:26 Mafs wrote:
TvP and ZvP are completely different match ups. It doesn't matter if Boxer beat Avenge, the results are unpredictable unless you look at their match up histories and how they play on that day. And Boxer is better than Idra, you have to compare their peak skill. Did Idra get to Ro4 in GSL open season 2? Whats the best tourney Idra ever won? Whats boxers best tourney ever won? Idra has had better results in SC2 than Boxer, but Boxer has had better results than Idra in BW. Also, how many of you want to see an Idra vs Grubby Bo7? I would love to see it since Grubby has improved so much recently and beat Ret in the last 2 time he faced him recently. and Ret & Idra both love drones.
I disagree with that statement. If you're comparing overall accomplishments, you can use their peak performances (but you need to weigh recent and more difficult tournaments heavier), but if you're comparing skill, you need to compare how good they are with their most recent results. This is because winning a game back then used an extremely different skillset than winning a game today.
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I wish idra would stream so we could see what his game looks like atm. Its a little bit worrying that hes losing as much as he is.
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On January 15 2012 12:33 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 09:26 Mafs wrote:
TvP and ZvP are completely different match ups. It doesn't matter if Boxer beat Avenge, the results are unpredictable unless you look at their match up histories and how they play on that day. And Boxer is better than Idra, you have to compare their peak skill. Did Idra get to Ro4 in GSL open season 2? Whats the best tourney Idra ever won? Whats boxers best tourney ever won? Idra has had better results in SC2 than Boxer, but Boxer has had better results than Idra in BW. Also, how many of you want to see an Idra vs Grubby Bo7? I would love to see it since Grubby has improved so much recently and beat Ret in the last 2 time he faced him recently. and Ret & Idra both love drones. I disagree with that statement. If you're comparing overall accomplishments, you can use their peak performances (but you need to weigh recent and more difficult tournaments heavier), but if you're comparing skill, you need to compare how good they are with their most recent results. This is because winning a game back then used an extremely different skillset than winning a game today.
If you are comparing current skill levels, than this is completely useless. This is just overall career stats. If you want to see who is better in skill, thats like asking who is more intelligent in school. Too many strengths and weakness from both sides to determine that.
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Just to put things into perspective... Boxer, Sen, Leenock, ForGG, Lucky, Inca, and Bomber are the fellow players eliminated from Code S so far this season. That is damn insane. Put any of these guys into an MLG and they will place Top 6 easily. Then 8 of the Top 16 will get sent down too.
So of course, don't be discouraged that IdrA got knocked down. It's insane this season, not to mention the whole group of death.
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On January 15 2012 09:26 Mafs wrote:
TvP and ZvP are completely different match ups. It doesn't matter if Boxer beat Avenge, the results are unpredictable unless you look at their match up histories and how they play on that day. And Boxer is better than Idra, you have to compare their peak skill. Did Idra get to Ro4 in GSL open season 2? Whats the best tourney Idra ever won? Whats boxers best tourney ever won? Idra has had better results in SC2 than Boxer, but Boxer has had better results than Idra in BW. Also, how many of you want to see an Idra vs Grubby Bo7? I would love to see it since Grubby has improved so much recently and beat Ret in the last 2 time he faced him recently. and Ret & Idra both love drones.
Would you also like to add how Boxer was a Brood War bonjwa and IdrA wasn't? How about talking about now..... you know..... the part that matters. IdrA is the better than Boxer right now.
Upon re-reading your post I realize that you actually did mention BW.... wtf?
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When I am in doubt that idra is not the best foreigner I just go over to his tldp
Oh, like every game is versus top code s korean, many of them in their prime
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Avenge played Boxer 6 months ago and in a completely different matchup. Who knows what kind of shape Avenge is in and what he's like vs Zerg.
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On January 15 2012 11:22 xtfftc wrote:
I am in no position to talk about Idra's practice efficiency but something I've noticed is how win or lose, he starts clicking on the search for game button like a mad man even before it's active. Of course, this is a very small and out of context thing to draw any conclusions but it leaves the impression of someone who thinks that sparing even a moment for retrospection after the game is completely pointless.
I see your point but I believe that Idra knows why he lost the game before leaving. In the few moments before he leaves his gracken-brain computes how he lost (while still playing the game obviously) and then he just goes into the next game asap because it's efficient practice. His gracken-brain doesn't need to watch the replay, the entire game has already been analyzed on the whim.
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On January 15 2012 22:21 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 11:22 xtfftc wrote:
I am in no position to talk about Idra's practice efficiency but something I've noticed is how win or lose, he starts clicking on the search for game button like a mad man even before it's active. Of course, this is a very small and out of context thing to draw any conclusions but it leaves the impression of someone who thinks that sparing even a moment for retrospection after the game is completely pointless. I see your point but I believe that Idra knows why he lost the game before leaving. In the few moments before he leaves his gracken-brain computes how he lost (while still playing the game obviously) and then he just goes into the next game asap because it's efficient practice. His gracken-brain doesn't need to watch the replay, the entire game has already been analyzed on the whim.
Well part of it is that of course  But if you look at his background, I find it really hard to believe he wouldn't watch replays. It's more likely that he's just skipping them until the hate dies down (lord knows I have to occassionally) or just doesn't want to fill up stream time with them.
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I don't know about his KR ladder practice, but when he commentated his games on NA server, he would explain why he won/lost...and I remember him going over a replay because he couldn't explain the game. He is just sooo smart that he knows why he wins/loses 99% of the time in the few seconds that the game is over.
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idra y u play tournament on monday T.T
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On January 16 2012 00:10 Whole wrote:
I don't know about his KR ladder practice, but when he commentated his games on NA server, he would explain why he won/lost...and I remember him going over a replay because he couldn't explain the game. He is just sooo smart that he knows why he wins/loses 99% of the time in the few seconds that the game is over.
As zerg is not hard to figure out why you lose. When something weird happens/opponent does weird build then you don't know why you lost. I'm the same way. I think maybe Idra has been doing mass mutalisk on KR server again.
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On January 16 2012 02:24 Mafs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 00:10 Whole wrote:
I don't know about his KR ladder practice, but when he commentated his games on NA server, he would explain why he won/lost...and I remember him going over a replay because he couldn't explain the game. He is just sooo smart that he knows why he wins/loses 99% of the time in the few seconds that the game is over. As zerg is not hard to figure out why you lose. When something weird happens/opponent does weird build then you don't know why you lost. I'm the same way. I think maybe Idra has been doing mass mutalisk on KR server again.
said it pretty much
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he's not doing that bad on ladder, he went 11/15 on the 15th :O although he did have like a six game losing streak on the 14th but maybe he was just having a bad day
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On January 16 2012 05:46 McPhiz wrote:
he's not doing that bad on ladder, he went 11/15 on the 15th :O although he did have like a six game losing streak on the 14th but maybe he was just having a bad day
Its korean ladder, everybody has losing streaks on that server no matter how good you are trust me ^_^
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On January 16 2012 05:51 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 05:46 McPhiz wrote:
he's not doing that bad on ladder, he went 11/15 on the 15th :O although he did have like a six game losing streak on the 14th but maybe he was just having a bad day Its korean ladder, everybody has losing streaks on that server no matter how good you are trust me ^_^
haha true, I'm just responding to everyone that was freaking out because he was losing so much 
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does he stream often? and i just happen to miss it?
havent seen him or HuK on in ages 
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On January 16 2012 07:00 Incognoto wrote:http://esports.ign.com/sc2/sxswHow is idra not winning that poll? vote guys! :o (and sorry if it's already been posted, sometimes i lose track of things)
the thing is, there is IEM at the same time. That's why many don't vote for him.
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excited for the showmatch against Taeja. He will show us an improved ZvT!!
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