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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:41 Chill wrote: I'm seriously on your side, I just don't like you slipping in "PS you're terrible" at the end of your posts hahaha. :\ How can you be on the side of someone who claims that Random is banned in SCBW. I mean, he's making arguments based on lies and ignorance. | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:28 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Attitude? my post is attitude free bud. Just saying, the winner of the tourney is having his thunder stolen by the loser.. what is to not understand? I'm not talking about your attitude, I'm talking about your reasoning. Where do your posts about his play come from? White-Ra winning with just a single lose isn't less significant only because someone else played random and did good at it without all ins in every single game. We couldn't choose what games we wanted to watch, we saw more games played by TLO so it's kind natural White-Ra got less attention? | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:45 floor exercise wrote: There was mention of TLO being A- iccup but he doesn't use any hotkeys in SC2. Is that verified? Or is it A- pgtour? I'm not sure about A- on iccup, but he did have a B+ account on iccup. http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/IPS.Radio.html | ||
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a11
Germany303 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:30 LF9 wrote: I think this thread is a lost cause - it seems infiltrated by hopeless fanboys eager to jump on anything nicks brother says. I respect InControl because he has some serious accomplishments under his belt in the RTS world. The rest of you can shut the hell up because you don't know what you're talking about at all. I think Nazgul has some serious accomplishments under his belt as well. Oh well, I generally understand the point you are trying to make, but throughout the tournament, I wasn't particularly under the impression of TLO having prepared a cheese for every MU and pushing through with it; he rather seemed to be playing by intuition and experience, getting every possible advantage instead of sticking to "solid builds", which are generalized by nature, and I think nothing's a better proof here than his game against Nazgul on Metalopolis. If not for that game, your point might be valid. On March 28 2010 06:32 Slacker wrote: Is this the same guy, who played supreme commander back in the day ? Yes, it is. http://www.readmore.de/index.php?cont=gallery_images&id=4614&set=61&orderby=date&ordertype=desc | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:44 Jyvblamo wrote: :\ How can you be on the side of someone who claims that Random is banned in SCBW. I mean, he's making arguments based on lies and ignorance. I'm on his side in that he's presenting an acceptable, not-banworthy argument that warrants discussion. I don't agree with him. | ||
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lightrise
United States1355 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:41 Chill wrote: I'm seriously on your side, I just don't like you slipping in "PS you're terrible" at the end of your posts hahaha. I think that he missed the point. It just seems out of line to come into the TLO fanclub thread to flame him and other players here, and then try and tell everyone how bad they are. Discussion is fine but flaming and attacking other people is not. | ||
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LF9
United States537 Posts
On a serious note, you really have to play in tournaments and not just ladder to understand the true psychological AND real advantages of going random. | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:49 LF9 wrote: I guess I lucked my way to the top. It happens. But at least I wasn't using random. Neither is anyone else at the top, what a coincidence | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:49 LF9 wrote: I guess I lucked my way to the top. It happens. But at least I wasn't using random. On a serious note, you really have to play in tournaments and not just ladder to understand the true psychological AND real advantages of going random. People don't like you cause of your snide attitude really. | ||
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krdgqtx
United States26 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:38 Cold-Blood wrote: Hate to ask this here but because I just want to see his amazing gameplay that I didn't see in the stream, how do you watch these replay packs when it's not a folder of replays, it's this .rar thing. You will need a software like WinRar or 7-zip to extract individual files and then you can watch them. | ||
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LF9
United States537 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:49 LF9 wrote: On a serious note, you really have to play in tournaments and not just ladder to understand the true psychological AND real advantages of going random. | ||
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LF9
United States537 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:51 Tinithor wrote: People don't like you cause of your snide attitude really. I'm not entering a popularity contest, I'm simply posting an opinion that I have found to be true in the last 5 years of competitive RTS gaming. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
2. Comes from "lesser" game 3. Unorthodox strategies and build orders 4. Aggressive tactics and harassment 5. Ballsy (if dangerous, irrational, etc.) decisions Like Nony said in the other thread: Clearly he's not the best overall player and he made a few bad calls, but he's the most fun to watch for many of us. Why are you asking us to justify anything beyond that? This concept should be painfully obvious, especially during March Madness. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:49 LF9 wrote: I guess I lucked my way to the top. It happens. But at least I wasn't using random. On a serious note, you really have to play in tournaments and not just ladder to understand the true psychological AND real advantages of going random. to the top of what? a public beta ladder where 90% of the players are below iccup D? if you had a feasible argument other than LOL RANDOM, LOL LUCKY you wouldn't sound like such an ass. | ||
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whiterabbit
2675 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:49 LF9 wrote: On a serious note, you really have to play in tournaments and not just ladder to understand the true psychological AND real advantages of going random. And you are saying that from your own experience of few lan "tournaments" you played with your school mates? So cute. | ||
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IPS.Mardow.
Germany713 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:45 floor exercise wrote: There was mention of TLO being A- iccup but he doesn't use any hotkeys in SC2. Is that verified? Or is it A- pgtour? Its true. He always was in A-/B+ area on iCC but always dropped down to B+ in the end of the season. But skillwise he was A- for sure imo. | ||
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LF9
United States537 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:47 a11 wrote: I think Nazgul has some serious accomplishments under his belt as well. Oh well, I generally understand the point you are trying to make, but throughout the tournament, I wasn't particularly under the impression of TLO having prepared a cheese for every MU and pushing through with it; he rather seemed to be playing by intuition and experience, getting every possible advantage instead of sticking to "solid builds", which are generalized by nature, and I think nothing's a better proof here than his game against Nazgul on Metalopolis. If not for that game, your point might be valid. Yes, it is. http://www.readmore.de/index.php?cont=gallery_images&id=4614&set=61&orderby=date&ordertype=desc The advantage of random applies even if you play safe; one might argue it is even more pronounced in this case. The random player plays solid macro game, knowing his opponents race, and the other guy attempts to do the same but naturally MUST invest a bit more into scouting and preparation for the myriad of possibilities that accompany playing random. The random player knows his gameplan and can invest all his resources into executing it, while the other guy is playing in the dark and must prepare for the worst. What don't you guys understand about this? What do you diagree on? Are you saying that there is no advantage to random? I don't play with a maphack, sorry. When I play against a random player I have no idea what race he is until I get a scout into his base. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:53 Jibba wrote: 1. Relative unknown 2. Comes from "lesser" game 3. Unorthodox strategies and build orders 4. Aggressive tactics and harassment 5. Ballsy (if dangerous, irrational, etc.) decisions Like Nony said in the other thread: Clearly he's not the best overall player and he made a few bad calls, but he's the most fun to watch for many of us. Why are you asking us to justify anything beyond that? This concept should be painfully obvious, especially during March Madness. because everyone sucks at some point if he improves his mechanics he could be sick im not excited for him now, im excited for him in the future | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On March 28 2010 06:49 LF9 wrote: I guess I lucked my way to the top. It happens. But at least I wasn't using random. On a serious note, you really have to play in tournaments and not just ladder to understand the true psychological AND real advantages of going random. When you play Random and don't just all in it's as hard for someone else to know what to expect as for you to immediately choose what to do, you need to be good at using strats of all 3 races in 6 match ups and once you count playing from the both sides it becomes 9. When you practice just a single race it's just 3. Your whole argument would be valid if majority of his games were all ins but the ones we saw weren't? | ||
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