Sayaka cannot for the same reason - there's no future, she's in stasis bodily wise and life-wise.
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potchip
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Sayaka cannot for the same reason - there's no future, she's in stasis bodily wise and life-wise. | ||
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TimeOut
Germany1277 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Madoka 7] + Another thing that popped up on the wiki and some other threads, from the scene in the church with Sayaka and Kyouko. ![]() That has to be intentional foreshadowing of some sort. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
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On February 18 2011 21:51 TimeOut wrote: I'm not so sure. If they don't age at all, they would easily figure the zombie thing out. But Kyouko had no idea about it, so I guess it is just my imagination that she might be older than she looks. + Show Spoiler [Madoka 7] + Another thing that popped up on the wiki and some other threads, from the scene in the church with Sayaka and Kyouko. ![]() That has to be intentional foreshadowing of some sort. + Show Spoiler [Madoka] + Her Soul Gem is also at her chest.....so I'm assuming that's a pretty good indicator of what's going to happen to her. ![]() | ||
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Shauni
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On February 18 2011 20:38 PikaXchU wrote: Madoka is as captivating and nail-biting as ever, although people who watch it also require a certain level of intellect so see how well the story is actually progressing. Please don't say that... It's pseudo-intellectual, just like all shaft shows. | ||
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Sentenal
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I completely agree with the point made here. Also, the picture doesn't show just how developed Cleo is. I refuse to believe she is 12. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
Challenge accepted. The first girl...eh. Her face makes her look too old. I'd have to see more pictures. As for the second, wtf? Looks way too old. Maybe the girl is in the age range, but I think that the opposite of the Ayu thing is true. If you're in the loli age range but look way too old, you're not a loli. Edit: Got full clear on Sharin: ![]() Now I need to play the fandisc. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 18 2011 22:14 Ferrose wrote: Challenge accepted. The first girl...eh. Her face makes her look too old. I'd have to see more pictures. As for the second, wtf? Looks way too old. Maybe the girl is in the age range, but I think that the opposite of the Ayu thing is true. If you're in the loli age range but look way too old, you're not a loli. + Show Spoiler + ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() + Show Spoiler + Which is the loli??? Because to me, it seems pretty clear which is the loli :p | ||
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Latham
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On February 18 2011 19:11 Spazer wrote: + Show Spoiler [Madoka] + Why can't Sayaka ask Kyousuke out? Because she's effectively dead. Even if having her soul ripped out doesn't affect her day to day activities, she thinks of herself as something less than human. She can't bring herself to talk to Kyousuke because she cares for him and basically believes that a monster like her shouldn't associate with somebody like him. And what do you mean the main storyline didn't progress? Just because Sayaka's name isn't in the title doesn't mean she's not a main character. Her character got developed a huge amount in this episode, and in case you'd forgotten, she's Madoka's best friend. If anything, she will be the catalyst that will drive Madoka toward or away from becoming a magical girl. + Show Spoiler [IS] + Holy shit that IS SS... I was thinking "How the hell did Kyosuke and Kirino end up taking a bath together?!" for 5 minutes -.-; | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
Let me guess: The second one is like twelve or something? Lol. Edit: IS 7 isn't out yet? What the fuck. Madoka was late (it seems that the Nutbladder guys just started encoding late). But IS isn't out yet? Yesterday was weird. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 18 2011 22:32 Ferrose wrote: The first one is defffffinitely a loli (though I feel like Spazer is playing a trick on me and showing me a girl like Ayu). Let me guess: The second one is like twelve or something? Lol. Edit: IS 7 isn't out yet? What the fuck. Madoka was late (it seems that the Nutbladder guys just started encoding late). But IS isn't out yet? Yesterday was weird. The first one is about 30 years old, though. So does that make her not a loli? And yep, the 2nd one is 12. | ||
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Sentenal
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On February 18 2011 22:43 Ferrose wrote: Well, even though she has a loli body, if she's really thirty, I'd have had a hard time calling her a loli. She is probably way too mentally mature to be a loli >.> So now the challenge is to come up with a 12 year old loli body who is too mentally mature? Hmm.. edit: With your condition of "mental maturity", you wouldn't probably classify characters like Rachel Alucard from Blaz Blue, or that one loli from Dance in the Vampire Bund as lolis, would you? This is hard :/ | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On February 18 2011 22:51 Sentenal wrote: So now the challenge is to come up with a 12 year old loli body who is too mentally mature? Hmm.. edit: With your condition of "mental maturity", you wouldn't probably classify characters like Rachel Alucard from Blaz Blue, or that one loli from Dance in the Vampire Bund as lolis, would you? This is hard :/ I guess I phrased that in a bad way. Mental maturity is fine (like Feito-chan). But I think it ties into the "age of innocence" that I brought up. I don't see how a thirty year old woman could be a loli. She's just too old. There is a lot of gray area in this. I'm having a tough time putting my thoughts into words here :x | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 18 2011 22:57 Ferrose wrote: I guess I phrased that in a bad way. Mental maturity is fine (like Feito-chan). But I think it ties into the "age of innocence" that I brought up. I don't see how a thirty year old woman could be a loli. She's just too old. There is a lot of gray area in this. I'm having a tough time putting my thoughts into words here :x Oh yeah, I can't believe I didn't think of Fate. She is a good example of a loli with a mature mind. But with age of innocence, Cleo from Break Blade that Spazer brought up is in her age of innocence as well. Anyway, I think the only way to definitively define what is a loli or not, is how they look. When you start getting into age [of fictional animu characters] and personality, the gray area explodes. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
As for the thirty year old loli, I guess I'd have to see for myself, but I will take your guys' word for it. | ||
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Shauni
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Latham
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I won’t go over the whole route part by part. Instead, I will just write my general thoughts, since the routes and the VN is very long. + Show Spoiler [Fate route] + The route started on a rather high note in my opinion, but progressively went downhill until the very end, when it became good again (I’m talking about the epilogue being the True End, lol). Doing it the first time, you don’t notice it as much, but after playing the other 2 routes, you notice just how simple (to not use the word bad) it was in comparison to them. That’s not to say that the other 2 routes are flawless by any means, but they aren’t as cliché and 1 dimensional. Nevertheless, I enjoyed some aspects of this route, mainly Saber. Tohsaka’s personality also added a lot of flavour to it. Also, Archer was almost non-existant in this route which proves to be a great thing, in retrospect. Getting to know Saber, her past, her regrets and one wish was very satisfying. She has a gentle, yet strong as steel personality. Her troubles also make her seem more human than the other heroic spirits, although sometimes being boring and a nuisance in the route. But, as stated before, this route is the most linear, cliché thing ever. The focus is totally shifted to Saber x Shirou. The other masters and servants are just obstacles without any backstory, and their personalities are reduced to provoke/HULK SMASH/die. As the most obvious plot twist ever, the suspicious priest that looked at you like he’d want you to be his altar boy all game long, was EVIL. Turns out he was the cause of Shirou’s childhood inferno (surprise, surprise) and wants to engulf the world in flames. Anyway, another cliché was that Shirou turned out to be Saber’s sheath. Although not the sheath was cliché, it was that it worked as a sort of “salvation” for Saber herself, removing any doubt she had before. I can’t help but to compare this to Arcueid’s route in Tsukihime. In the end the heroine says “I luv you” and then disappears knowing she and her love can never be together again. + Show Spoiler [ Unlimited Blade Works] + This route is somewhat of a rollercoaster, it has it’s ups and downs. Most of the downs are provided by yours truly, Emiya Shirou, both of him mind you. Kid makes you facepalm every time he opens his mouth, but you should have already anticipated that after Fate’s route. The highs I would consider the much needed backstory to Ilya+Berserker and Caster+Teacher along with some more info on Assassin. Also, the sheer difference between Fate’s route and UBW is a strong point. The holy grail war is still the backbone, but the other servants provide fresh and exciting developments and this time around have personalities. The enemies are different than they were in Fate’s route and even Lancer who I find was very villainized previously, also has his own values and pride. Rin became the main heroine (from playing all the VNs lately, I’m tempted to just call them fuck-buddies) this time around, and her tsundere’ism provided, as always the much needed comedic relief. I pity her for falling in love with Shirou though, but it seems like fate is on her side, because Saber’s route is canon. Another thing that is surprising is the total lack of Sakura in this arc. Although Saber isn’t the main focus of the route this time around, she still has a strong presence in UBW much to my joy. I just enjoy Saber whenever I get the chance. One of my favourite moments of this route was Toshaka saying Shirou looks like a “squirrel that just licked sugar”. That line had me on the floor for a good 5 minutes. The good end is really sugar-coated, as both Rin (who thinks of you as her familiar now lololololol) and Saber stay with you, also Archer found peace of mind. Probably the best ending possible that could have been imagined, being oblivious to Saber’s past. The true ending, is more realistic. Saber disappears without her realizing that Shirou is her sheath, Archer still continues onward, damned forever to be a heroic spirit. Rin and Shirou are in love and making plans for the future. She keeps teasing him, though. The sheath still bugs me. I wish that could have been resolved, but I guess that would be salvation for Saber, which is not the main focus of this route. P.S. I really liked how Saber’s stats shot through the roof when she pacted with Rin. She went from BCCBBC straight into all As, some with + even. Before this I had my doubts about Saber being the strongest, but this proved that stats change if the master changes. + Show Spoiler [Heaven’s Feel] + This route starts in a very hectic fashion. The story jumps everywhere. Defeating servants, Shirou noticing Sakura, Rin being the tsundere QT-pie you expect her to be, tentacles of darkness lurking around, Ilya interaction, etc. etc. etc. Eventually the route stabilizes after Saber’s disappearance. The focus clearly shifts towards the Doom Octopus. I haven’t mention it yet, but this route is also drastically different from UBW and Fate routes, which is a big plus. I must commend Type-Moon for coming up with 3 different, unique story lines that revolve around the same set of parameters. The route is darker, eerie and more twisted than the previous ones the more you plunge into it. There really isn’t much to say, things go from bad to worse as more Servants are claimed by the Octopus. Archer dies, Berserker is consumed like Saber and Lancer before him, even Gilgamesh is consumed. This gives the field to Rider and Assassin, conveniently the 2 last Servants we didn’t know about. Shit hits the fan, and many desperate actions are taken. The True end is well… honestly?... retarded. I know I’m being biased here, but I really hated this route. The amount of crap that you had to claw through was more than I could take. The priest’s monologues, Sakura, 2456406724 interludes every damn night make this route god-awful. Rin, Shirou and Sakura survive. It’s like you’re going on an empty highway, you get to that comfortable speed and relax, but someone hits the brakes on your car. It’s like getting kicked in the balls just before you climax. Fuck that shit. The Normal End, I feel is justified. Shirou died, Sakura couldn’t move on with her life, but Rin could. Good Riddance. | ||
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Southlight
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Latham
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On February 19 2011 01:34 Southlight wrote: And I feel like the score (usually 100/100) is unjustified and is why I rage against it, but yes, I do agree it's a pretty damn good VN ![]() Yeah the score 100/100 is exaggerated, but I feel that F/SN is still way better than the other things I played. | ||
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