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triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 03:50:32
February 11 2011 03:46 GMT
#13801
On February 11 2011 12:44 TimeOut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 12:34 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On February 11 2011 12:25 TimeOut wrote:
On February 11 2011 12:21 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Daammmmnnn....

+ Show Spoiler [Madoka 6] +
Was Mami's Soul Gem broken then? I don't explicitly remember that happening.


+ Show Spoiler [Madoka 6] +
I checked episode 1 and 3 for evidence of Mami's Soul Gem getting destroyed. We never see it on screen, but her magic dissipates as her head got chewed on. Since every magical girl so far had her Soul Gem somewhere on her body in her transformed stage, I think that Mami's Soul Gem was the jewel on her hat. Since that hat got crushed and chewed on, that might be the reason why she has been killed.

If she hasn't, remember that the dimension collapsed afterwards as Homura killed the witch. Which means that she might be alive. But trapped forever in that alternate dimension, now without an exit as a soul gem, lying next to the chewed remains of her body.


+ Show Spoiler [Madoka 6] +

Then Madoka is the biggest troll in the world. Why is Mami in the OP if she dies by number 3? -____________-x It's a bit sad and depressing.

But I almost thought I heard her voice in the preview for the next episode. O_O


+ Show Spoiler [Madoka 6] +
Wait, who speaks the next episode title in the preview in episode 6? It doesn't sound like Mami, Madoka or Sayaka (who were featured in previous previews).

It seems that the characters that the next episodes will focus on are reading the previews. Except for Homura.

For comparison:
- Ep1 had Kyuubey, Madoka, Sayaka with Madoka reading the episode title for episode 2
- Ep2 had Mami
- Ep3 had Sayaka
- Ep4 had Sayaka again
- Ep5 had Madoka
- Ep6 had Kyuubey, but who reads the next episode title?

The previews are a line from the next episode read by the character that says that line.

And I'm also puzzled by who it is for next episode, hrmm.

Also, for everyone who hasn't looked it up already: + Show Spoiler +
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpurgis_Night
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 03:53:58
February 11 2011 03:48 GMT
#13802
You are right. That was probably far to obvious for me. -.-

Edit so that I don't have to double-post:
On February 11 2011 12:46 triangle wrote:
Also, for everyone who hasn't looked it up already: + Show Spoiler +
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpurgis_Night


PM I sent to Ferrose regarding this.
+ Show Spoiler [Madoka 6] +
Original Message From TimeOut:
Well... The Walpurgisnacht is not just a festival or a witch cleansing rite.

There are also two chapters from Goethe's Faust that are titled Walpurgisnacht. The following is based on my loose memory and the short wikipedia article, so it might be wrong in parts: Another scene between Faust and the Devil, wherein the Devil tries to tempt Faust again, because he started to ignore the temptations earlier in favor of Gretchen.

For that purpose, the Devil prepares a great festival on the Witches' hill, but in the meantime there are some tragic elements too, because Gretchen kills her child.

But I won't read through Faust again (far too much work) just to confirm this, so I have to work with secondary sources on the most part.

I think it is far more likely that they put in the reference not only because of the actual festival, but because of the literary connotations between Madoka and Goethe's Faust.

Original Message From TimeOut:
Probably. At least they kept most of the themes intact, and even named some of the on-screen titles directly after chapter titles in Faust. For example Madoka's dream in episode 1 had the runic title of "Prolog im Himmel 2011" which is the original title of the Faust prologue (except for the date, which probably hints that this is a modern adaptation of the source).

That the witches and the runic script are based on German characters and direct quotes from the play is another clue.

KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
February 11 2011 04:00 GMT
#13803
On February 11 2011 12:22 triangle wrote:
ARGH MADOKA WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS TO ME

...is it next Thursday yet?


Yes, I believe tomorrow is Thursday. Wait...no the day after? Damn it, Madoka, you ruin my entire week waiting for the next episode.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
February 11 2011 04:13 GMT
#13804
+ Show Spoiler [madoka 6] +
Wow, i thought for sure that Sayaka was gone. That was epic. Madoka is a little annoying but that makes it better, i think. Kyuubey is soo blunt sometimes. Lmao when they find out the truth its like they got smashed by a boulder emotionally. Lmao
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Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 04:22:34
February 11 2011 04:19 GMT
#13805
On February 11 2011 12:48 TimeOut wrote:
You are right. That was probably far to obvious for me. -.-

Edit so that I don't have to double-post:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 12:46 triangle wrote:
Also, for everyone who hasn't looked it up already: + Show Spoiler +
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpurgis_Night


PM I sent to Ferrose regarding this.
+ Show Spoiler [Madoka 6] +
Original Message From TimeOut:
Well... The Walpurgisnacht is not just a festival or a witch cleansing rite.

There are also two chapters from Goethe's Faust that are titled Walpurgisnacht. The following is based on my loose memory and the short wikipedia article, so it might be wrong in parts: Another scene between Faust and the Devil, wherein the Devil tries to tempt Faust again, because he started to ignore the temptations earlier in favor of Gretchen.

For that purpose, the Devil prepares a great festival on the Witches' hill, but in the meantime there are some tragic elements too, because Gretchen kills her child.

But I won't read through Faust again (far too much work) just to confirm this, so I have to work with secondary sources on the most part.

I think it is far more likely that they put in the reference not only because of the actual festival, but because of the literary connotations between Madoka and Goethe's Faust.

Original Message From TimeOut:
Probably. At least they kept most of the themes intact, and even named some of the on-screen titles directly after chapter titles in Faust. For example Madoka's dream in episode 1 had the runic title of "Prolog im Himmel 2011" which is the original title of the Faust prologue (except for the date, which probably hints that this is a modern adaptation of the source).

That the witches and the runic script are based on German characters and direct quotes from the play is another clue.



Wow, I never even noticed all the references. Now things are really making sense! I can now say I am officially hooked on Madoka.

+ Show Spoiler [kyubei] +

I figured Kyubei was being a bit more reticent in discussing the finer details in the first place. I think he's much more of a neutral player than anyone in the show realizes. Somehow I feel like he has his own agenda and has only been playing nice so far because nobody's figured out that he's manipulating events...


And I'm finished LoGH5 (and I'll be watching more tonight), and I'm being rather quickly drawn in to that as well.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
February 11 2011 04:21 GMT
#13806
On February 11 2011 13:13 Gao Xi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [madoka 6] +
Wow, i thought for sure that Sayaka was gone. That was epic. Madoka is a little annoying but that makes it better, i think. Kyuubey is soo blunt sometimes. Lmao when they find out the truth its like they got smashed by a boulder emotionally. Lmao


Everyone was pretty damn pissed off about it or they cried their brains out.

Except Homura, who probably knows everything.
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PikaXchU
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore379 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 04:23:56
February 11 2011 04:23 GMT
#13807
+ Show Spoiler [madoka] +


Homura probably knew about it, given how she almost instantly chased after the gem.

Carrier has arrived.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 04:29:46
February 11 2011 04:29 GMT
#13808
IS
+ Show Spoiler +
So, France's breasts triple in size when shes naked or has the harem dictates, AND I STILL DIDN'T GET MY FUCKING REVOLVER STAKE GOD DAMNIT THAT WOULD BE THE PERFECT WEAPON TO OWN ICHIKA WITH. Maybe next episode.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
February 11 2011 04:31 GMT
#13809
On February 11 2011 13:23 PikaXchU wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [madoka] +


Homura probably knew about it, given how she almost instantly chased after the gem.


+ Show Spoiler [madoka] +
No, then she would've stopped Madoka. She knows of the importance of the gem, but probably not of the event itself.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8033 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 04:39:37
February 11 2011 04:32 GMT
#13810
On February 11 2011 13:29 Sentenal wrote:
IS
+ Show Spoiler +
So, France's breasts triple in size when shes naked or has the harem dictates, AND I STILL DIDN'T GET MY FUCKING REVOLVER STAKE GOD DAMNIT THAT WOULD BE THE PERFECT WEAPON TO OWN ICHIKA WITH. Maybe next episode.

+ Show Spoiler [IS next ep] +
Next ep preview showed Germany vs Britain/China.
If we're lucky, we'll get Germany vs France/Ichika as well.
If we're really lucky, we'll get Germany vs Ichika after that.

And if I'm lucky, we'll get the bath scenes.

+ Show Spoiler [Madoka] +
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Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
February 11 2011 04:35 GMT
#13811
On February 11 2011 13:32 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 13:29 Sentenal wrote:
IS
+ Show Spoiler +
So, France's breasts triple in size when shes naked or has the harem dictates, AND I STILL DIDN'T GET MY FUCKING REVOLVER STAKE GOD DAMNIT THAT WOULD BE THE PERFECT WEAPON TO OWN ICHIKA WITH. Maybe next episode.

+ Show Spoiler [next ep] +
Next ep showed Germany vs Britain/China.
If we're lucky, we'll get Germany vs France/Ichika as well.
If we're really lucky, we'll get Germany vs Ichika after that.

And if I'm lucky, we'll get the bath scenes.

+ Show Spoiler [Madoka] +
[image loading]

Man she looks soo happy, but in the reality, shes just getting emotionally raped every episode.
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Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 04:38:07
February 11 2011 04:35 GMT
#13812
+ Show Spoiler [homura and speculation] +

I'm wondering exactly what they mean by "irregular" when they refer to her, but I'm going to guess that she gained her powers in a different way (not that it's much of a leap there). I just read an article speculating that she may be on the brink of becoming a witch (doubtful, in my eyes) or that she may have had her contract revoked.. Somehow I think it's something else. But the article did point out that Grief Seeds are very similar to Soul Gems, and if we understand that using magic muddies a Soul Gem, and a Grief Seed can absorb that, that could explain the original genesis of the Witches.

If that is the case, then there is the possibility that Witches were the intended consequence of the magic in the first place, or that they were a completely unintentional consequence, and that the current state of affairs is a long way away from how the magical girls were intended to be (I like that idea better). I'd like to think that the witches that are fallen magical girls were basically the magical girls who used their magic for selfish things, rather than to help people, and that there is some way to use magic in a positive way and therefore have some redeeming qualities to being a magical girl in the first place (even if it only involves using your with for helping someone else, I think that could technically count on that front).


In any case, I'm now very interested in where Madoka's going.


On February 11 2011 13:35 Gao Xi wrote:
Man she looks soo happy, but in the reality, shes just getting emotionally raped every episode.


Haha, yeah, I think they could do a bit better with how Madoka deals with things.... Her reactions don't quite mesh properly... It's not enough to bother me, because they do such a good job of presenting it, but I can see that someone who doesn't absolutely love the show would likely point that out.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 11 2011 04:42 GMT
#13813
On February 11 2011 13:32 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 13:29 Sentenal wrote:
IS
+ Show Spoiler +
So, France's breasts triple in size when shes naked or has the harem dictates, AND I STILL DIDN'T GET MY FUCKING REVOLVER STAKE GOD DAMNIT THAT WOULD BE THE PERFECT WEAPON TO OWN ICHIKA WITH. Maybe next episode.

+ Show Spoiler [IS next ep] +
Next ep preview showed Germany vs Britain/China.
If we're lucky, we'll get Germany vs France/Ichika as well.
If we're really lucky, we'll get Germany vs Ichika after that.

And if I'm lucky, we'll get the bath scenes.

+ Show Spoiler +
I doubt that Germany can overcome Ichika's plot armor. But I want to see France actually fight. Actually, I just want Strike Freedom and Alteisen to just blow stuff up by themselves every episode, but the anime isn't going in that direction

"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8033 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 04:58:42
February 11 2011 04:48 GMT
#13814
On February 11 2011 13:42 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 13:32 Spazer wrote:
On February 11 2011 13:29 Sentenal wrote:
IS
+ Show Spoiler +
So, France's breasts triple in size when shes naked or has the harem dictates, AND I STILL DIDN'T GET MY FUCKING REVOLVER STAKE GOD DAMNIT THAT WOULD BE THE PERFECT WEAPON TO OWN ICHIKA WITH. Maybe next episode.

+ Show Spoiler [IS next ep] +
Next ep preview showed Germany vs Britain/China.
If we're lucky, we'll get Germany vs France/Ichika as well.
If we're really lucky, we'll get Germany vs Ichika after that.

And if I'm lucky, we'll get the bath scenes.

+ Show Spoiler +
I doubt that Germany can overcome Ichika's plot armor. But I want to see France actually fight. Actually, I just want Strike Freedom and Alteisen to just blow stuff up by themselves every episode, but the anime isn't going in that direction


+ Show Spoiler [If you really want to know what happens] +
Germany and France are the two best pilots in the series. So obviously France + Ichika > Germany.

Ichika is supposedly the best when he gets serious. His suit is pretty OP as well. So, Ichika > Germany. Supposedly he's really good at tactics or whatever. I guess plot armor would be a good description after all.

While I agree that having more fights would be awesome, I'm not opposed to the harem elements, especially since there should be a ton of France in upcoming episodes.

Some extra thoughts:
Ichika blushed when France thanked him.
Ichika wanted to know why France wouldn't change with him.
Ichika barges into the shower when France is in there.

Nobody in this harem's gonna win if Ichika swings that way. <_<

Edit: Rewatching this ep just because. I could listen to Kana Hanezawa all day.

Madoka's reaction to the events she's been exposed to might be frustrating to watch, but it's realistic. Do you seriously think that a girl her age would be able to watch somebody die and still remain resolute?
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TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
February 11 2011 05:01 GMT
#13815
I think that Madoka's reaction and characterization is great. She acts in a realistic way and you can see how much she cares about the people around her. Makes me sympathize with her even more.
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
February 11 2011 05:03 GMT
#13816
Madoka is a little annoying as in, her ideals or w/e solving anything without fighting, not her reactions.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 11 2011 05:10 GMT
#13817
On February 11 2011 13:48 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 13:42 Sentenal wrote:
On February 11 2011 13:32 Spazer wrote:
On February 11 2011 13:29 Sentenal wrote:
IS
+ Show Spoiler +
So, France's breasts triple in size when shes naked or has the harem dictates, AND I STILL DIDN'T GET MY FUCKING REVOLVER STAKE GOD DAMNIT THAT WOULD BE THE PERFECT WEAPON TO OWN ICHIKA WITH. Maybe next episode.

+ Show Spoiler [IS next ep] +
Next ep preview showed Germany vs Britain/China.
If we're lucky, we'll get Germany vs France/Ichika as well.
If we're really lucky, we'll get Germany vs Ichika after that.

And if I'm lucky, we'll get the bath scenes.

+ Show Spoiler +
I doubt that Germany can overcome Ichika's plot armor. But I want to see France actually fight. Actually, I just want Strike Freedom and Alteisen to just blow stuff up by themselves every episode, but the anime isn't going in that direction


+ Show Spoiler [If you really want to know what happens] +
Germany and France are the two best pilots in the series. So obviously France + Ichika > Germany.

Ichika is supposedly the best when he gets serious. His suit is pretty OP as well. So, Ichika > Germany. Supposedly he's really good at tactics or whatever. I guess plot armor would be a good description after all.

While I agree that having more fights would be awesome, I'm not opposed to the harem elements, especially since there should be a ton of France in upcoming episodes.

Some extra thoughts:
Ichika blushed when France thanked him.
Ichika wanted to know why France wouldn't change with him.
Ichika barges into the shower when France is in there.

Nobody in this harem's gonna win if Ichika swings that way. <_<

Edit: Rewatching this ep just because. I could listen to Kana Hanezawa all day.

Madoka's reaction to the events she's been exposed to might be frustrating to watch, but it's realistic. Do you seriously think that a girl her age would be able to watch somebody die and still remain resolute?

+ Show Spoiler +
My main problem with Ichika's mobile suit (I've decided that I'm going to call them that) is that its boring. The design is just meh. IMO they should have called it the Hyaku Shiki and made it gold, rather than being white/ByakuShiki.

Design wise, Strike Freedom and Alteisen-tan are my favorites, which is why I'd like to see more pew pew from them.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
PikaXchU
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore379 Posts
February 11 2011 05:16 GMT
#13818
On February 11 2011 13:31 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 13:23 PikaXchU wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [madoka] +


Homura probably knew about it, given how she almost instantly chased after the gem.


+ Show Spoiler [madoka] +
No, then she would've stopped Madoka. She knows of the importance of the gem, but probably not of the event itself.

+ Show Spoiler [madoka] +
I think she wasn't in time to actually stop madoka. Given by how she reacted, I would say that she knew.
Carrier has arrived.
LunarC
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1186 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 05:27:25
February 11 2011 05:25 GMT
#13819
Sure, Madoka may seem annoying, but her character is a girl coming from a comfortable school life into a world where death is around every corner. The worst part is that it's not like it didn't exist before; she's now just aware of its existence.

The fact that she can't leave it alone is a testament to her courage and compassion, + Show Spoiler +
but at the same time she isn't willing to essentially give up her own soul for it
.

I think the source of all the "annoying" stuff she says is an innate desire for things to return to the time when she was unaware of the witches, but it's not like she's naive enough to genuinely desire ignorance.

She wants to keep the peace and respect human life at the same time. Who can say that's an annoying thing to desire?

I think the writers are handling her character very well.
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Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
February 11 2011 05:30 GMT
#13820
On February 11 2011 14:25 LunarC wrote:
Sure, Madoka may seem annoying, but her character is a girl coming from a comfortable school life into a world where death is around every corner. The worst part is that it's not like it didn't exist before; she's now just aware of its existence.

The fact that she can't leave it alone is a testament to her courage and compassion, + Show Spoiler +
but at the same time she isn't willing to essentially give up her own soul for it
.

I think the source of all the "annoying" stuff she says is an innate desire for things to return to the time when she was unaware of the witches, but it's not like she's naive enough to genuinely desire ignorance.

She wants to keep the peace and respect human life at the same time. Who can say that's an annoying thing to desire?

I think the writers are handling her character very well.


Yea i agree, i know that its realistic, but it just irritates me when they act like that, not just madoka but also other main characters in other animes.
On February 11 2011 13:13 Gao Xi wrote:
Madoka is a little annoying but that makes it better, i think.


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