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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 29 2015 13:50 GMT
#104441
rofl souma #21 ED became white due to story development
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 29 2015 13:53 GMT
#104442
On August 29 2015 15:45 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 15:19 Sentenal wrote:
On August 29 2015 14:58 IceHism wrote:
On August 29 2015 14:49 Sentenal wrote:
On August 29 2015 14:30 IceHism wrote:
On August 29 2015 13:09 Sentenal wrote:
On August 29 2015 13:06 IceHism wrote:
Gate

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why are we underestimating one of the top 10 strongest armies in the world. They aren't fighting something like a terrorist group here

Rest of the episode was amusing but the above part confuses me. This isn't even about it being nationalist. I just don't understand why you would take one of the strongest countries lightly as if they were like al queda.

+ Show Spoiler +
For clarification, who are you saying is being underestimated here? Japan?


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yes. Japan was being underestimated by america.
Like really, I know you're(the us) the strongest military on earth but that's not a reason to underestimate a a formidable modern army in its own right. Japan is the 7th biggest spender in military iirc

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Japan's military spending is also like 1/14th of the US. Just looking at graphs of military spending by country, I wouldn't be surprised if the US spends more on its military than the entire rest of the world spends on their respective militaries, combined.

So yeah, Japan might be one of the biggest spenders, but the amount they spend is just a fraction of the US. Plus the SDF isn't even a proper army, and hasn't ever fought a war. In the real world at least, I don't see how Japan could be considered formidable to the US in the least.

I'm not trying to be nationalist or pro-America here, its just that as far as military size and spending goes, America is literally the only big fish in the pond right now. And has been fighting way too many wars all around the planet for decades. Against a tiny little island who doesn't have a proper military that has never fought a war.


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they aren't fighting a war, they are just sending some people to go kidnap some people at an onsen and they were surprised that they couldn't hit the best of Japan's soldier at night. It was pretty funny the us people didn't even bring night vision equipment.


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Well, the point is more that a country accustomed to fighting wars should be better trained and more proficient at fighting than a glorified national guard. Ofc, that isn't the case when it comes to anime, but that's just the nature of the beast. America would need more dakka to overcome Yamato Damashiii.

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Also ignoring the fact that the US and Japan are allies and that the US military is probably very aware of the quality of training their SDF has lol. If anything there probably isn't huge a gap between the special forces of various countries. They were more likely surprised that their operation was discovered and that they were ready and waiting for them.

Though it did get pretty jacking off the SDF with the dialogue of the enemy. I highly doubt any nations special forces would get as out classed as they did nor talk about how amazing the enemy is.


Guys would you say if Japan managed to actually create Gundam (anything post W era), it doesnt matter how much $$ US spent on their military power, Japan will dominate them easily?
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Pseudoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1279 Posts
August 29 2015 16:29 GMT
#104443
No, hypersonic cruise missiles are no joke.
Logic fails because we are lazy.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 29 2015 16:33 GMT
#104444
Yea not like gundams are even good weaponry design anyway. They're cool as hell but the opposite direction from what you want to go for.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-29 16:38:04
August 29 2015 16:37 GMT
#104445
arent they quite agile tho , like you can dodge attacks and/or destroy them before they hit you

like you shoot 100 missiles and a gundam can dodge them all then rape your face
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-29 16:48:46
August 29 2015 16:43 GMT
#104446
Everything is going the way of long distance unmanned tactical warfare. Why would you want a humanoid robot that fights like a person in that kind of warfare? Some unmanned drone or tactical missile will just shoot you out the sky. Then you going to tell me it can destroy or negate all this? Well if it has that kind of tech there'll just be better long distance tech or unmanned tech lol. The only reason we need people on the ground anymore is that sometimes we don't want to just kill everyone.

The gundam essentially replaces tank/aircraft so at the end of the day you still wouldn't want to build it humanoid as it's just inefficient. Tanks don't really win wars anymore.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-29 17:20:04
August 29 2015 17:12 GMT
#104447
A big part of the gundam also has to do with some of the pilots often being essentially psychic.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 29 2015 17:23 GMT
#104448
On August 30 2015 02:12 Unleashing wrote:
A big part of the gundam also has to do with some of the pilots often being essentially psychic.

or just being Jesus
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 29 2015 17:24 GMT
#104449
So what you saying is if Japan created Jesus then yes they could easily dominate
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
August 29 2015 17:45 GMT
#104450
On August 30 2015 02:24 Numy wrote:
So what you saying is if Japan created Jesus then yes they could easily dominate


Only if he has his Imouto to protect.
Never Knows Best.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-29 17:49:31
August 29 2015 17:49 GMT
#104451
what are you talking about, kira yamato can 1v1000 surely thats the ultimate weaponry you want. I honestly think if you can make some shield technology then you can take down the world easily like in Blue steel.

Speaking of bluesteel the manga is going nice and more moe dolls ships came out
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 29 2015 17:51 GMT
#104452
On August 30 2015 02:45 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 02:24 Numy wrote:
So what you saying is if Japan created Jesus then yes they could easily dominate


Only if he has his Imouto to protect.


Where there's a will, there's an imouto.
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-29 18:15:44
August 29 2015 18:15 GMT
#104453
Why stop at gundam or jesus. Japan should just make getter emperor, demonbane, and super gurren lagann.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-29 18:23:59
August 29 2015 18:21 GMT
#104454
Children, allow me to educate you on Gundam, and the magic physics excuses the series uses to justify their existence. In the modern world, everything is going long distance unmanned tactical warfare. Why make a 15 meter tall robot when someone can just shoot it with a missile from thousands of miles away, or blast it away with a tiny little stealth drone from the sky? The reason is because in Gundam, they have bullshit magic physics science.

In Universal Century Gundam, this means that that shit wouldn't work because of the Minovsky Particle. Mobile Suits in UC Gundam are powered by a "Minovsky Ultracompact Fusion Reactor", which basically is a helium 3 reactor that as a side effect, produces said Minovsky Particle. To quote the Gundam Wiki,
The main use of the Minovsky particle was in combat and communication. When the Minovsky particle is spread in large numbers in the open air or in open space, the particles disrupt low-frequency electromagnetic radiation, such as microwaves and radio waves. The Minovsky particle also interferes with the operations of electronic circuitry and destroys unprotected circuits due to the particles' high electrical charge which act like a continuous electromagnetic pulse on metal objects. Because of the way Minovsky particles react with other types of radiation, radar systems and long-range wireless communication systems become useless, infra-red signals are defracted and their accuracy decreases, and visible light is fogged. This became known as the "Minovsky Effect".

The disruption of electromagnetic radiation is due to the small lattice of the I-field creating fringes that long wavelengths cannot penetrate, and that diffract wavelengths that have similar distance with the fringes. This diffraction and polarization process disrupts the electromagnetic waves.

The only counter measure to the "M" particle in the series was to install bulky and expensive shielding on all electronic equipment, but only to counteract the effect it had on electronic circuitry. While this could be done for space ships and naval ships, this ruled out the use of precision guided weapons, such as guided missiles. Due to this, the military use of Minovsky particles ushered in a new era of close-range combat. This is the primary reason for the birth of the Zeon close-combat weapon: the mobile suit.

Now, this is all bullshit physics magic that doesn't exist in the real world. But in Gundam's world, this is why modern weapons went the way of the dinosaur. It follows that if our world was somehow able to invent a Mobile Suit with the same properties and abilities, then it would be able to overcome most modern weapons.


Coincidentally, I don't believe Gundam Wing has a similiar excuse, so there isn't any real reason for Mobile Suits to be a thing in Wing.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 29 2015 18:23 GMT
#104455
All Japan needs is to have Hayamin tell all the Otakus that they have fight something and afterwards repopulate the world. No need for Jesus or Imoutos. If you ever had to deal with p2w japanese nerds in rankings you know they'll get impossible stuff done with credit cards. Surely there's a way.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
August 29 2015 18:38 GMT
#104456
On August 30 2015 03:21 Sentenal wrote:
Children, allow me to educate you on Gundam, and the magic physics excuses the series uses to justify their existence. In the modern world, everything is going long distance unmanned tactical warfare. Why make a 15 meter tall robot when someone can just shoot it with a missile from thousands of miles away, or blast it away with a tiny little stealth drone from the sky? The reason is because in Gundam, they have bullshit magic physics science.

In Universal Century Gundam, this means that that shit wouldn't work because of the Minovsky Particle. Mobile Suits in UC Gundam are powered by a "Minovsky Ultracompact Fusion Reactor", which basically is a helium 3 reactor that as a side effect, produces said Minovsky Particle. To quote the Gundam Wiki,
Show nested quote +
The main use of the Minovsky particle was in combat and communication. When the Minovsky particle is spread in large numbers in the open air or in open space, the particles disrupt low-frequency electromagnetic radiation, such as microwaves and radio waves. The Minovsky particle also interferes with the operations of electronic circuitry and destroys unprotected circuits due to the particles' high electrical charge which act like a continuous electromagnetic pulse on metal objects. Because of the way Minovsky particles react with other types of radiation, radar systems and long-range wireless communication systems become useless, infra-red signals are defracted and their accuracy decreases, and visible light is fogged. This became known as the "Minovsky Effect".

The disruption of electromagnetic radiation is due to the small lattice of the I-field creating fringes that long wavelengths cannot penetrate, and that diffract wavelengths that have similar distance with the fringes. This diffraction and polarization process disrupts the electromagnetic waves.

The only counter measure to the "M" particle in the series was to install bulky and expensive shielding on all electronic equipment, but only to counteract the effect it had on electronic circuitry. While this could be done for space ships and naval ships, this ruled out the use of precision guided weapons, such as guided missiles. Due to this, the military use of Minovsky particles ushered in a new era of close-range combat. This is the primary reason for the birth of the Zeon close-combat weapon: the mobile suit.

Now, this is all bullshit physics magic that doesn't exist in the real world. But in Gundam's world, this is why modern weapons went the way of the dinosaur. It follows that if our world was somehow able to invent a Mobile Suit with the same properties and abilities, then it would be able to overcome most modern weapons.


Coincidentally, I don't believe Gundam Wing has a similiar excuse, so there isn't any real reason for Mobile Suits to be a thing in Wing.



Interesting read!

But assuming you don't have that particle that disrupts modern weaponry, gundams would easily be outclassed, IMO.

Just look at how Battleships were outclassed due to air superiority. I believe, with the inevitable expansion of drones in militaries around the world, we are going to look more and more at small mobile troops (probably unmannered to a certain extent), instead of big fat gundams (that beg to be shot down).
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-29 18:42:18
August 29 2015 18:41 GMT
#104457
On August 30 2015 03:23 Toadesstern wrote:
All Japan needs is to have Hayamin tell all the Otakus that they have fight something and afterwards repopulate the world. No need for Jesus or Imoutos. If you ever had to deal with p2w japanese nerds in rankings you know they'll get impossible stuff done with credit cards. Surely there's a way.


Otaku's don't know how to repopulate though because anime always ends at kissing.

@Sent - Thanks for that. It's cool that they came up with bullshit to justify it at least in UC. That helps separate fantasy from sci-fi imo.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 29 2015 18:43 GMT
#104458
they don't have to actually do it, just being told that they will do it afterwards is enough!
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
August 29 2015 18:57 GMT
#104459
On August 30 2015 03:41 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 03:23 Toadesstern wrote:
All Japan needs is to have Hayamin tell all the Otakus that they have fight something and afterwards repopulate the world. No need for Jesus or Imoutos. If you ever had to deal with p2w japanese nerds in rankings you know they'll get impossible stuff done with credit cards. Surely there's a way.


Otaku's don't know how to repopulate though because anime always ends at kissing.

@Sent - Thanks for that. It's cool that they came up with bullshit to justify it at least in UC. That helps separate fantasy from sci-fi imo.


Who needs anime. Look at all the r18+ stuff at comiket.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 29 2015 19:06 GMT
#104460
they're even providing training wheels of some sorts with all those x-ray shots lol
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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