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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51110 Posts
August 30 2015 05:01 GMT
#104481
On August 30 2015 12:08 Imperfect1987 wrote:
Looks like Kiss is going to be down for a while :/.


yeah that sucks.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 30 2015 07:01 GMT
#104482
On August 30 2015 14:01 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 12:08 Imperfect1987 wrote:
Looks like Kiss is going to be down for a while :/.


yeah that sucks.

I thought KissManga was going to be down too.
whew~
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
August 30 2015 09:05 GMT
#104483
On August 30 2015 12:47 BlackMagister wrote:
It's not so much that arms and legs can't be used at all (though I didn't remember the space kicks), but just there are more practical alternatives that make the machines easier to make and mass produce if they were real. I'm sure most Zeon pilots did not do space kicks it's just Char is a badass. I agree with Zeong engineer that the Zeong is essentially complete, I don't think Char would have done better with a 100% Zeong vs an 80% no leg Zeong. Specialized vehicles seem more practical, without arms and legs a fighter plane in space or in the atmosphere should have more maneuverability and in the Gundam series with similar fire power like the core fighter. Put a beam weapon on core fighters and then mobile suits should be obsolete.

The whole thing is just the romance of mechas. A fighter plane design is sleeker and should be able to do the same things mechs can do, but you don't get that manly duel feel like Amuro vs Char here as you would if they were in fighter planes.

There's always Macross.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 30 2015 11:06 GMT
#104484
World Trigger 44 - Dam Nasu squad has 2 hotties and those uniforms hnnnnnnnnng. I kind of want Nasu to win
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 30 2015 11:13 GMT
#104485
rikka#9, now i can see how the writer go yolo later lol

On August 30 2015 20:06 Numy wrote:
World Trigger 44 - Dam Nasu squad has 2 hotties and those uniforms hnnnnnnnnng. I kind of want Nasu to win


them battle suits man, they were so hot in manga already glad they do the justice in anime lol
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 30 2015 13:12 GMT
#104486
man, why did they have to make flamie so hot yet dumb at the same time in rokka.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 30 2015 14:45 GMT
#104487
rewatch pingpong 4-11, goddamn anime of the century
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
August 30 2015 16:58 GMT
#104488
On August 30 2015 22:12 Toadesstern wrote:
man, why did they have to make flamie so hot yet dumb at the same time in rokka.

Flamie? Hot? wtf?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
August 30 2015 17:00 GMT
#104489
Gansta. + Show Spoiler +
Damn I'm so lost.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 17:04:19
August 30 2015 17:04 GMT
#104490
On August 31 2015 01:58 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 22:12 Toadesstern wrote:
man, why did they have to make flamie so hot yet dumb at the same time in rokka.

Flamie? Hot? wtf?


Is this her ? + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
If so that's just hilarious toad. Just because she has the worst ever designed upper body clothing doesn't make her so hot!
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 17:07:32
August 30 2015 17:06 GMT
#104491
anything with underboob is hot by definition

Unless... legit ugly
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 17:13:06
August 30 2015 17:10 GMT
#104492
How is Flamie dumb....

The only thing weird about the char designs is that they are using that style (must be the studio) that makes them all so fucking pale most of the time they look like vampires.
Never Knows Best.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
August 30 2015 17:13 GMT
#104493
On August 31 2015 02:06 Toadesstern wrote:
anything with underboob is hot by definition

Unless... legit ugly

But she is legit ugly.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
August 30 2015 17:18 GMT
#104494
The dumb as a bunch of rocks character award would go to Goldov.
Never Knows Best.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 30 2015 17:23 GMT
#104495
On August 31 2015 02:10 Slaughter wrote:
How is Flamie dumb....

The only thing weird about the char designs is that they are using that style (must be the studio) that makes them all so fucking pale most of the time they look like vampires.


Pale is pretty sweet.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 17:31:45
August 30 2015 17:26 GMT
#104496
On August 31 2015 02:10 Slaughter wrote:
How is Flamie dumb....

+ Show Spoiler +
should have shot the MC in the face the moment he started fearmongering to get out
+ Show Spoiler +
[15:45:29] <Wikt> oh wow
[15:45:46] <Wikt> if thats true then the show's hiding it super well
[15:46:09] <Wikt> rokka no mafia
[15:46:11] <Wikt> www
[15:47:24] <Toad|> 1,1 flamie talking to MC, MC "well if I die you'll die next"... he's manipulative and fearmongering to get away from Flamie... and she's interpreting it as "wow, he wants to save me. Such cool"...
[15:48:23] <Wikt> 1,1i suppose its fair to say that he's starting to seem shady based on that
[15:50:11] <Toad|> 1,1 he's not even arguing wether or not he's the 7th or not after he found out about the fog. He just straight up tells her if shit goes south you're next lol. [Making it sound like he cares about her when really after you take out the pretty words all he does is planting fear as well as] trying to plant the idea that it's NOT him in her head without any basis... by just repeating it enough times
[15:50:50] <Toad|> 1,1 if he's NOT the 7th I'd be really sad at this point in time
[15:54:22] <Toad|> tbf, I think the only reason we have to think otherwise is 1,1 that he's MC after all and you go into those things thinking "well I 'm seeing it from his PoV, so I know it's not him" because we just assume we have all the information (about him) or he was tricked some way and is doing it unintentionally (could still be possible)
[16:01:40] <Wikt> [agreeing somewhere earlier] 1,1we've literally been shown nothing to indicate he's the 7th, although we know less about naschetanya and the rest of the crew than we do about adlet.
[16:02:16] <Wikt> 1,1it's easier to suspect anyone from the rest exactly because we do not have their PoV. so for it to be adlet, it has to be incomplete or unreliable PoV.

+ the ending scene makes it pretty obvious unless there's heavy bullshit involved.
Wether MC is doing it or intentional or not idk but it just straight up makes no sense for Flamie, who in her own words thinks it's MC with a 99% chance, to interpret what MC said as him trying to safe her when all he did was put fear in her head about the what-if-it's-not-him scenario.

Wether it's him or not isn't even the point, from Flamie's PoV we know:
1) She thinks it's him in 99% of the cases
2) He tried to talk his way out of it with some explanation when alone with her twice already and has been told that there are major flaws in his tinfoil theories
3) After the 2nd time he resorts to fearmongering and scaretactics rather than actually try to convince her of his innocence

It makes absolutely no sense to come to the conclusion that MC is trying to protect Flamie from her PoV. None at all. If she is indeed 99% sure about him (granted, it could have gone down) she has to acknowledge that there are two ways to interpret what he said and she just picked the one that doesn't fit with what she thinks about him because!?!?

Literally she let him go because she at that time was only 99% sure about it and wants to make up her mind or get a better idea to judge wether her judgement of the situation is correct. She gets a scene that makes it only more likely that it's indeed him and she... just doesn't realize that


thus, flamie the standard innocent guy/girl who just has the dumbs imo
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
August 30 2015 17:40 GMT
#104497
I guess I can see that perspective but

+ Show Spoiler +
She doesn't trust him still. Remember what Hans said? She literally does not trust anyone and she can't even understand him because of her background. She is more calculating and flexible. What he says IS true, that she will be killed next if Adelt dies and isn't the 7th. Her not killing him gives her time to think and plan in case he isn't (and gives him time to clear his name). They still have some time so if she isn't convinced by w/e his solution is then she can just kill him anytime since to her he acts weird and makes himself vulnerable to her all the time.

I also happen to know how this all shakes out (and some minor added details) from reading the LNs hue.
Never Knows Best.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 30 2015 17:54 GMT
#104498
On August 31 2015 02:40 Slaughter wrote:
I guess I can see that perspective but

+ Show Spoiler +
She doesn't trust him still. Remember what Hans said? She literally does not trust anyone and she can't even understand him because of her background. She is more calculating and flexible. What he says IS true, that she will be killed next if Adelt dies and isn't the 7th. Her not killing him gives her time to think and plan in case he isn't (and gives him time to clear his name). They still have some time so if she isn't convinced by w/e his solution is then she can just kill him anytime since to her he acts weird and makes himself vulnerable to her all the time.

I also happen to know how this all shakes out (and some minor added details) from reading the LNs hue.


+ Show Spoiler +
of course what he says is true, or else it wouldn't be useable in a manipulative way.
Yes it obviously boils down to (for her)
  • Adlet isn't the 7th: He said stuff because he actually wants to save her. Btw that in itself is usually also a major tell that it is in fact him who's the 7th. He has a good reason to think it's not Hans but is getting too friendly with Flamie. It's easier to explain to people why a handful of people can't be the 7th than to make shit up about someone when you already know you're lying because you're the 7th yourself. That's really difficult to pull off so people usually change to emotional tactics as well as defending other people, both to get friends as well as to look like someone who's actually trying to solve the riddle.
  • Adlet is in fact the 7th in which case all his nice words were just that: manipulative, nice words with backhanded fearmongering to try and hinder her logical thinking by putting that thought about being the next to die in the back of her head


It just doesn't make a lot of sense to come to the conclusion that it is the first one from where she is at. Maybe I'm putting too much into what she said afterwards but it DID sound like she started to think he's less likely the 7th after that conversation.

I agree that waiting in her position isn't a bad thing, I just don't think she should be trusting him more than before after that conversation
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
August 30 2015 18:04 GMT
#104499
On August 31 2015 02:54 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 02:40 Slaughter wrote:
I guess I can see that perspective but

+ Show Spoiler +
She doesn't trust him still. Remember what Hans said? She literally does not trust anyone and she can't even understand him because of her background. She is more calculating and flexible. What he says IS true, that she will be killed next if Adelt dies and isn't the 7th. Her not killing him gives her time to think and plan in case he isn't (and gives him time to clear his name). They still have some time so if she isn't convinced by w/e his solution is then she can just kill him anytime since to her he acts weird and makes himself vulnerable to her all the time.

I also happen to know how this all shakes out (and some minor added details) from reading the LNs hue.


+ Show Spoiler +
of course what he says is true, or else it wouldn't be useable in a manipulative way.
Yes it obviously boils down to (for her)
  • Adlet isn't the 7th: He said stuff because he actually wants to save her. Btw that in itself is usually also a major tell that it is in fact him who's the 7th. He has a good reason to think it's not Hans but is getting too friendly with Flamie. It's easier to explain to people why a handful of people can't be the 7th than to make shit up about someone when you already know you're lying because you're the 7th yourself. That's really difficult to pull off so people usually change to emotional tactics as well as defending other people, both to get friends as well as to look like someone who's actually trying to solve the riddle.
  • Adlet is in fact the 7th in which case all his nice words were just that: manipulative, nice words with backhanded fearmongering to try and hinder her logical thinking by putting that thought about being the next to die in the back of her head


It just doesn't make a lot of sense to come to the conclusion that it is the first one from where she is at. Maybe I'm putting too much into what she said afterwards but it DID sound like she started to think he's less likely the 7th after that conversation.

I agree that waiting in her position isn't a bad thing, I just don't think she should be trusting him more than before after that conversation


+ Show Spoiler +

Except she knows that is exactly what he is doing because (either if he is or isn't the 7th) it is basically his only option at this point and she is aware of this. She simply doesn't trust anyone and thinks that everyone is pretty much just as likely to be the 7th (with Adelt being #1 suspect right now). She is honestly just baffled by his behavior because of her background and that plus her distrust of everyone plus the fact that she is next on the to be killed list makes it more or less to not act rashly and kill him right away.
Never Knows Best.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 18:21:00
August 30 2015 18:09 GMT
#104500
On August 31 2015 03:04 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 02:54 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 31 2015 02:40 Slaughter wrote:
I guess I can see that perspective but

+ Show Spoiler +
She doesn't trust him still. Remember what Hans said? She literally does not trust anyone and she can't even understand him because of her background. She is more calculating and flexible. What he says IS true, that she will be killed next if Adelt dies and isn't the 7th. Her not killing him gives her time to think and plan in case he isn't (and gives him time to clear his name). They still have some time so if she isn't convinced by w/e his solution is then she can just kill him anytime since to her he acts weird and makes himself vulnerable to her all the time.

I also happen to know how this all shakes out (and some minor added details) from reading the LNs hue.


+ Show Spoiler +
of course what he says is true, or else it wouldn't be useable in a manipulative way.
Yes it obviously boils down to (for her)
  • Adlet isn't the 7th: He said stuff because he actually wants to save her. Btw that in itself is usually also a major tell that it is in fact him who's the 7th. He has a good reason to think it's not Hans but is getting too friendly with Flamie. It's easier to explain to people why a handful of people can't be the 7th than to make shit up about someone when you already know you're lying because you're the 7th yourself. That's really difficult to pull off so people usually change to emotional tactics as well as defending other people, both to get friends as well as to look like someone who's actually trying to solve the riddle.
  • Adlet is in fact the 7th in which case all his nice words were just that: manipulative, nice words with backhanded fearmongering to try and hinder her logical thinking by putting that thought about being the next to die in the back of her head


It just doesn't make a lot of sense to come to the conclusion that it is the first one from where she is at. Maybe I'm putting too much into what she said afterwards but it DID sound like she started to think he's less likely the 7th after that conversation.

I agree that waiting in her position isn't a bad thing, I just don't think she should be trusting him more than before after that conversation


+ Show Spoiler +

Except she knows that is exactly what he is doing because (either if he is or isn't the 7th) it is basically his only option at this point and she is aware of this. She simply doesn't trust anyone and thinks that everyone is pretty much just as likely to be the 7th (with Adelt being #1 suspect right now). She is honestly just baffled by his behavior because of her background and that plus her distrust of everyone plus the fact that she is next on the to be killed list makes it more or less to not act rashly and kill him right away.

+ Show Spoiler +
he called her to talk. He could have just not met with her instead, so it wasn't a move to survive but a move to influence her.
Granted, that failed so he changed plans to "crap I need to get out, no matter how" and because of that she ends up saying she wants to believe him? :/


in the end it's probably more an issue with the author than with her. It makes perfect sense to wait in her situation like you said and I agree with that. I just don't think her change of heart besides the tactical decision to wait makes sense at that point in time
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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