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On January 14 2013 08:42 ragz_gt wrote:
Well if you saved often it's pretty easy. And you need get all true/good ending for all char to get epilogue I think (or all true ending?)
Well, it doesnt matter after all, I checked it and the only thing you need to do to get good end is reload save close to the end of the route and either make a different choice or to make the correct choice at a new choice that is unlocked after completing true route (I only checked for Arcueid and Ciel though). So there's no discussion about it, lol. Takes a few minutes at most, I'm not that lazy (though if I had had to go back to the beginning, that I would probably have been too lazy to do).
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Ewwwwww you are using a guide rather than work through 2342435 bad end? Shame on you...
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On January 14 2013 09:00 ragz_gt wrote:
Ewwwwww you are using a guide rather than work through 2342435 bad end? Shame on you...
Why would anyone not use a guide for VNs? Unless you consider VNs to be actual games, in which case I lol
On January 14 2013 08:31 Maxie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 08:02 Sentenal wrote:On January 14 2013 06:08 Maxie wrote:On January 12 2013 13:30 Sentenal wrote:On January 12 2013 12:34 killa_robot wrote:On January 12 2013 10:05 Sentenal wrote:On January 12 2013 10:04 BrTarolg wrote:http://mangafox.me/manga/hinamatsuri/New chapters! Manga is awesome --- Also lain is definitely one of my favourites too --- Stop complaining/hating about anime you don't like. I don't go blabbing about how i don't enjoy LOGH or how i think mecha anime sucks all day do i? Just chill, everyone has their preferences. You could, and I don't think anyone would mind. I'm almost positive you and every other fan of that show/genre would jump on him lol. No, I honestly would give zero shits. If you guys think I would, you have no clue how I work, and must have this fairy tale image of me in your mind as some guy who prowls the internet, just searching for something, anything I don't agree with, just so I can take a shit on it, lol. I mean, just look here, he is basically saying he doesn't like those things, and I'm saying I don't mind. To slightly change the subject, I'm going to be showing a friend LoGH pretty soon, starting from the very beginning. I'm going to start off showing him the "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars" Movie, since that was made first, and chronologically happens right before the series starts. But here is my question: Should I show him the other movie, "Overture to a New War", over episode 1-2? Overture is the movie version of episode 1-2, it covers the same material, and more (since its a 1.5 hour movie vs 2 20 minute episodes). I thought that Overture did those same events much better, since we get more content, and its movie quality, than their counterpart in the main OVA. What do you guys think? I'm going to start watching LoGH with those two movies first because of this post... however, "My Conquest is the sea of stars" seems to have like 1-2 people seeding it at nyaatorrents, any alternative site where more may be seeding? Also, when should I watch the other movie/OVA:s? Golden Wings is listed as a prequel on MAL, as are A Hundred Billion Stars... and Spiral Labyrinth. Golden Wings is an abomination, don't watch that ever. A Hundred Billion Stars and Sprial Labyrinth are considered "Gaidens", which means they are technically prequels, but are intended to be watched AFTER the main OVA. Also bakabt. Thanks, problem solved. I'll go ahead and watch conquest -> overture - episode 3-110... right?
Yeah.
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On January 14 2013 09:00 ragz_gt wrote:
Ewwwwww you are using a guide rather than work through 2342435 bad end? Shame on you...
I just checked up on how the routes worked with regards to the different endings. Don't worry, I've ran into my fair share of bad ends and I will do so in the other routes as well. I really like the feeling of "I'm not sure of whether I picked the right choice or not" and being really close to dying and then pulling it through, haha.
I did use a guide for Kara no Shoujo though, ending up in bad ends because you missed something incredibly small/hard to notice in an investigation scene was annoying.
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On January 14 2013 09:07 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 09:00 ragz_gt wrote:
Ewwwwww you are using a guide rather than work through 2342435 bad end? Shame on you... Why would anyone not use a guide for VNs? Unless you consider VNs to be actual games, in which case I lol Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 08:31 Maxie wrote:On January 14 2013 08:02 Sentenal wrote:On January 14 2013 06:08 Maxie wrote:On January 12 2013 13:30 Sentenal wrote:On January 12 2013 12:34 killa_robot wrote:On January 12 2013 10:05 Sentenal wrote:On January 12 2013 10:04 BrTarolg wrote:http://mangafox.me/manga/hinamatsuri/New chapters! Manga is awesome --- Also lain is definitely one of my favourites too --- Stop complaining/hating about anime you don't like. I don't go blabbing about how i don't enjoy LOGH or how i think mecha anime sucks all day do i? Just chill, everyone has their preferences. You could, and I don't think anyone would mind. I'm almost positive you and every other fan of that show/genre would jump on him lol. No, I honestly would give zero shits. If you guys think I would, you have no clue how I work, and must have this fairy tale image of me in your mind as some guy who prowls the internet, just searching for something, anything I don't agree with, just so I can take a shit on it, lol. I mean, just look here, he is basically saying he doesn't like those things, and I'm saying I don't mind. To slightly change the subject, I'm going to be showing a friend LoGH pretty soon, starting from the very beginning. I'm going to start off showing him the "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars" Movie, since that was made first, and chronologically happens right before the series starts. But here is my question: Should I show him the other movie, "Overture to a New War", over episode 1-2? Overture is the movie version of episode 1-2, it covers the same material, and more (since its a 1.5 hour movie vs 2 20 minute episodes). I thought that Overture did those same events much better, since we get more content, and its movie quality, than their counterpart in the main OVA. What do you guys think? I'm going to start watching LoGH with those two movies first because of this post... however, "My Conquest is the sea of stars" seems to have like 1-2 people seeding it at nyaatorrents, any alternative site where more may be seeding? Also, when should I watch the other movie/OVA:s? Golden Wings is listed as a prequel on MAL, as are A Hundred Billion Stars... and Spiral Labyrinth. Golden Wings is an abomination, don't watch that ever. A Hundred Billion Stars and Sprial Labyrinth are considered "Gaidens", which means they are technically prequels, but are intended to be watched AFTER the main OVA. Also bakabt. Thanks, problem solved. I'll go ahead and watch conquest -> overture - episode 3-110... right? Yeah.
Well, for dating sim and stuff it actually make sense. And even for stuff like Tsukihime it still adds to the anticipation and suspense.
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Canada8033 Posts
Do the other ends. At least one Kagetsu Tohya sidestory uses a good end, and since they don't tell you this, it's going to be ridiculously confusing if you ever read it.
The flag for good/normal end is triggered upon reaching true end. So you can just reload a save at the relevant choice to reach the other end. And if all else fails, ctrling through a route takes 5 minutes tops.
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Well AFAIK there is no translation for Kagetsu, so no need worry about it atm.
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Some of the bad ends are awesome though, and I'll admit to having to use a guide to get some of them.
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Canada8033 Posts
Kagetsu's been translated for yeeeeears.
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On January 14 2013 08:24 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 06:25 SheaR619 wrote:On January 13 2013 08:46 Nagisama wrote:On January 13 2013 08:30 SheaR619 wrote:On January 12 2013 22:14 ragz_gt wrote:On January 12 2013 19:40 SheaR619 wrote:So I just watched Nekomonogatari and I cant figure this out. It was hinted in Bakemonogatari as well but maybe for you guy who has read the light novel can shower me with the answer. Since I been hearing that the ending of Nekomonogatari got altered. + Show Spoiler + Was Araragi ever in love with Hanekawa? Throughout nekomono, this question keep getting toss around. He first come to the conclusion that it was just lust with his sister but he eventually went as far as to die for her. Even stating at the end that he kinda regrets that he failed to even do that. Then with his final talk with Oshino, he once again says that he doesnt love her. Oshino told him that Hanekawa was indeed in love with him and even said something along the line that, "Just because she never said she loves you, doesnt mean you doesnt love you." I was going to leave it that but then I realize that this also could also apply to Araragi as well. Then he finally said he would NEVER love Hanekawa.
So once again, was Araragi ever in love with Hanekawa? Why did he say he can never love Hanekawa or was it just because he wanted them to stay friends? Was their something about Hanekawa that he didnt like? + Show Spoiler [Araragi/Hanekawa] +Well, Araragi felt he is deeply in debt to her (because what happened in Kizu which apparently we are not gonna get) so he felt he couldn't fall in love with her (because love is an equal relationship). + Show Spoiler [Season 2 stuff] +Hanekawa eventually confessed to him but Araragi refused + Show Spoiler +So Araragi did like her but he cant ever love her due to him being in debt to her? I though Kizu was on the winter anime list and last I heard it was getting delayed. It is not canceled is it? + Show Spoiler +Araragi also thinks she's like perfect in every way possible. Perfect grades, attendence, knows everything, is always nice, thinks she's a saint, etc etc. He could never see himself as an equal to her. Also, Kizu is suppose to be in theatres sometime in 2013, but they also said it was suppose to be out in 2012. + Show Spoiler +It true that Hanekawa is perfect in every other way and Araragi can never be in the same league as her but I dont see how that a bad thing. I mean wouldnt you want a girl that is perfect yourself? (perfect chest!) I would understand that him feeling inferior and feeling that someone like him would never be seen by Hanekawa more then a friend but she eventually did confess to him shows that she did love him. If he didnt hook up with Senjouhara and was still single during the confession, I think it should make sense that he would of hooked up with Hanekawa.
Ehhh either way, I am probably reading too deep into this. The Hanekawa and Araragi relationship is far to complex and is one of the most interesting part of this series. Wish Kizu come out soon so I can get a better understanding of their relationship before Neko. But ya, Kizu keep getting push back so I wouldnt be surprise if we dont see it for a while Kizu basically only flesh out the things that make Araragi feel the way he does in Neko Kuro, it explains more of his relationship w/ Shinobu and Gahara-san more so than it does Hanekawa really. For the rest of what you said though, wait till season 2 or read Neko Shiro translated version.
Kizu explains araragi's relationship w/ shinobo and gahara? I haven't read the LNs but isn't Kizu before Neko which is before Bake?
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On January 14 2013 10:10 Spazer wrote:
Kagetsu's been translated for yeeeeears.
Ah OK. It's pretty fun though not all that important.
On January 14 2013 10:30 DeltaSigmaL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 08:24 Ecael wrote:On January 14 2013 06:25 SheaR619 wrote:On January 13 2013 08:46 Nagisama wrote:On January 13 2013 08:30 SheaR619 wrote:On January 12 2013 22:14 ragz_gt wrote:On January 12 2013 19:40 SheaR619 wrote:So I just watched Nekomonogatari and I cant figure this out. It was hinted in Bakemonogatari as well but maybe for you guy who has read the light novel can shower me with the answer. Since I been hearing that the ending of Nekomonogatari got altered. + Show Spoiler + Was Araragi ever in love with Hanekawa? Throughout nekomono, this question keep getting toss around. He first come to the conclusion that it was just lust with his sister but he eventually went as far as to die for her. Even stating at the end that he kinda regrets that he failed to even do that. Then with his final talk with Oshino, he once again says that he doesnt love her. Oshino told him that Hanekawa was indeed in love with him and even said something along the line that, "Just because she never said she loves you, doesnt mean you doesnt love you." I was going to leave it that but then I realize that this also could also apply to Araragi as well. Then he finally said he would NEVER love Hanekawa.
So once again, was Araragi ever in love with Hanekawa? Why did he say he can never love Hanekawa or was it just because he wanted them to stay friends? Was their something about Hanekawa that he didnt like? + Show Spoiler [Araragi/Hanekawa] +Well, Araragi felt he is deeply in debt to her (because what happened in Kizu which apparently we are not gonna get) so he felt he couldn't fall in love with her (because love is an equal relationship). + Show Spoiler [Season 2 stuff] +Hanekawa eventually confessed to him but Araragi refused + Show Spoiler +So Araragi did like her but he cant ever love her due to him being in debt to her? I though Kizu was on the winter anime list and last I heard it was getting delayed. It is not canceled is it? + Show Spoiler +Araragi also thinks she's like perfect in every way possible. Perfect grades, attendence, knows everything, is always nice, thinks she's a saint, etc etc. He could never see himself as an equal to her. Also, Kizu is suppose to be in theatres sometime in 2013, but they also said it was suppose to be out in 2012. + Show Spoiler +It true that Hanekawa is perfect in every other way and Araragi can never be in the same league as her but I dont see how that a bad thing. I mean wouldnt you want a girl that is perfect yourself? (perfect chest!) I would understand that him feeling inferior and feeling that someone like him would never be seen by Hanekawa more then a friend but she eventually did confess to him shows that she did love him. If he didnt hook up with Senjouhara and was still single during the confession, I think it should make sense that he would of hooked up with Hanekawa.
Ehhh either way, I am probably reading too deep into this. The Hanekawa and Araragi relationship is far to complex and is one of the most interesting part of this series. Wish Kizu come out soon so I can get a better understanding of their relationship before Neko. But ya, Kizu keep getting push back so I wouldnt be surprise if we dont see it for a while Kizu basically only flesh out the things that make Araragi feel the way he does in Neko Kuro, it explains more of his relationship w/ Shinobu and Gahara-san more so than it does Hanekawa really. For the rest of what you said though, wait till season 2 or read Neko Shiro translated version. Kizu explains araragi's relationship w/ shinobo and gahara? I haven't read the LNs but isn't Kizu before Neko which is before Bake?
Kizu is the very first chronologically... except + Show Spoiler +some parts from Kabuki and Oni
+ Show Spoiler [Kizu general idea] +It's how Araragi/Shinobu/Hanekawa/Meme met. It has nothing to do with Senjougahara personally (she doesn't even make an appearance) but explains Araragi's personality which in turn affect his relationship with her.
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On January 14 2013 10:36 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 10:10 Spazer wrote:
Kagetsu's been translated for yeeeeears. Ah OK. It's pretty fun though not all that important. Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 10:30 DeltaSigmaL wrote:On January 14 2013 08:24 Ecael wrote:On January 14 2013 06:25 SheaR619 wrote:On January 13 2013 08:46 Nagisama wrote:On January 13 2013 08:30 SheaR619 wrote:On January 12 2013 22:14 ragz_gt wrote:On January 12 2013 19:40 SheaR619 wrote:So I just watched Nekomonogatari and I cant figure this out. It was hinted in Bakemonogatari as well but maybe for you guy who has read the light novel can shower me with the answer. Since I been hearing that the ending of Nekomonogatari got altered. + Show Spoiler + Was Araragi ever in love with Hanekawa? Throughout nekomono, this question keep getting toss around. He first come to the conclusion that it was just lust with his sister but he eventually went as far as to die for her. Even stating at the end that he kinda regrets that he failed to even do that. Then with his final talk with Oshino, he once again says that he doesnt love her. Oshino told him that Hanekawa was indeed in love with him and even said something along the line that, "Just because she never said she loves you, doesnt mean you doesnt love you." I was going to leave it that but then I realize that this also could also apply to Araragi as well. Then he finally said he would NEVER love Hanekawa.
So once again, was Araragi ever in love with Hanekawa? Why did he say he can never love Hanekawa or was it just because he wanted them to stay friends? Was their something about Hanekawa that he didnt like? + Show Spoiler [Araragi/Hanekawa] +Well, Araragi felt he is deeply in debt to her (because what happened in Kizu which apparently we are not gonna get) so he felt he couldn't fall in love with her (because love is an equal relationship). + Show Spoiler [Season 2 stuff] +Hanekawa eventually confessed to him but Araragi refused + Show Spoiler +So Araragi did like her but he cant ever love her due to him being in debt to her? I though Kizu was on the winter anime list and last I heard it was getting delayed. It is not canceled is it? + Show Spoiler +Araragi also thinks she's like perfect in every way possible. Perfect grades, attendence, knows everything, is always nice, thinks she's a saint, etc etc. He could never see himself as an equal to her. Also, Kizu is suppose to be in theatres sometime in 2013, but they also said it was suppose to be out in 2012. + Show Spoiler +It true that Hanekawa is perfect in every other way and Araragi can never be in the same league as her but I dont see how that a bad thing. I mean wouldnt you want a girl that is perfect yourself? (perfect chest!) I would understand that him feeling inferior and feeling that someone like him would never be seen by Hanekawa more then a friend but she eventually did confess to him shows that she did love him. If he didnt hook up with Senjouhara and was still single during the confession, I think it should make sense that he would of hooked up with Hanekawa.
Ehhh either way, I am probably reading too deep into this. The Hanekawa and Araragi relationship is far to complex and is one of the most interesting part of this series. Wish Kizu come out soon so I can get a better understanding of their relationship before Neko. But ya, Kizu keep getting push back so I wouldnt be surprise if we dont see it for a while Kizu basically only flesh out the things that make Araragi feel the way he does in Neko Kuro, it explains more of his relationship w/ Shinobu and Gahara-san more so than it does Hanekawa really. For the rest of what you said though, wait till season 2 or read Neko Shiro translated version. Kizu explains araragi's relationship w/ shinobo and gahara? I haven't read the LNs but isn't Kizu before Neko which is before Bake? Kizu is the very first chronologically... except all the parts from Kabuki and Oni. + Show Spoiler +It's how Araragi/Shinobu/Hanekawa/Meme met. It has nothing to do with Senjougahara personally (she doesn't even make an appearance) but explains Araragi's personality which in turn affect his relationship with her.
+ Show Spoiler [Kizu] +I cant recall well so Ill just ask, its hinted that Oshino has something to do with Kiss-shot's heart going missing. Does Kizu confirm it?
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Canada4481 Posts
On January 14 2013 10:49 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 10:36 ragz_gt wrote:On January 14 2013 10:10 Spazer wrote:
Kagetsu's been translated for yeeeeears. Ah OK. It's pretty fun though not all that important. On January 14 2013 10:30 DeltaSigmaL wrote:On January 14 2013 08:24 Ecael wrote:On January 14 2013 06:25 SheaR619 wrote:On January 13 2013 08:46 Nagisama wrote:On January 13 2013 08:30 SheaR619 wrote:On January 12 2013 22:14 ragz_gt wrote:On January 12 2013 19:40 SheaR619 wrote:So I just watched Nekomonogatari and I cant figure this out. It was hinted in Bakemonogatari as well but maybe for you guy who has read the light novel can shower me with the answer. Since I been hearing that the ending of Nekomonogatari got altered. + Show Spoiler + Was Araragi ever in love with Hanekawa? Throughout nekomono, this question keep getting toss around. He first come to the conclusion that it was just lust with his sister but he eventually went as far as to die for her. Even stating at the end that he kinda regrets that he failed to even do that. Then with his final talk with Oshino, he once again says that he doesnt love her. Oshino told him that Hanekawa was indeed in love with him and even said something along the line that, "Just because she never said she loves you, doesnt mean you doesnt love you." I was going to leave it that but then I realize that this also could also apply to Araragi as well. Then he finally said he would NEVER love Hanekawa.
So once again, was Araragi ever in love with Hanekawa? Why did he say he can never love Hanekawa or was it just because he wanted them to stay friends? Was their something about Hanekawa that he didnt like? + Show Spoiler [Araragi/Hanekawa] +Well, Araragi felt he is deeply in debt to her (because what happened in Kizu which apparently we are not gonna get) so he felt he couldn't fall in love with her (because love is an equal relationship). + Show Spoiler [Season 2 stuff] +Hanekawa eventually confessed to him but Araragi refused + Show Spoiler +So Araragi did like her but he cant ever love her due to him being in debt to her? I though Kizu was on the winter anime list and last I heard it was getting delayed. It is not canceled is it? + Show Spoiler +Araragi also thinks she's like perfect in every way possible. Perfect grades, attendence, knows everything, is always nice, thinks she's a saint, etc etc. He could never see himself as an equal to her. Also, Kizu is suppose to be in theatres sometime in 2013, but they also said it was suppose to be out in 2012. + Show Spoiler +It true that Hanekawa is perfect in every other way and Araragi can never be in the same league as her but I dont see how that a bad thing. I mean wouldnt you want a girl that is perfect yourself? (perfect chest!) I would understand that him feeling inferior and feeling that someone like him would never be seen by Hanekawa more then a friend but she eventually did confess to him shows that she did love him. If he didnt hook up with Senjouhara and was still single during the confession, I think it should make sense that he would of hooked up with Hanekawa.
Ehhh either way, I am probably reading too deep into this. The Hanekawa and Araragi relationship is far to complex and is one of the most interesting part of this series. Wish Kizu come out soon so I can get a better understanding of their relationship before Neko. But ya, Kizu keep getting push back so I wouldnt be surprise if we dont see it for a while Kizu basically only flesh out the things that make Araragi feel the way he does in Neko Kuro, it explains more of his relationship w/ Shinobu and Gahara-san more so than it does Hanekawa really. For the rest of what you said though, wait till season 2 or read Neko Shiro translated version. Kizu explains araragi's relationship w/ shinobo and gahara? I haven't read the LNs but isn't Kizu before Neko which is before Bake? Kizu is the very first chronologically... except all the parts from Kabuki and Oni. + Show Spoiler +It's how Araragi/Shinobu/Hanekawa/Meme met. It has nothing to do with Senjougahara personally (she doesn't even make an appearance) but explains Araragi's personality which in turn affect his relationship with her. + Show Spoiler [Kizu] +I cant recall well so Ill just ask, its hinted that Oshino has something to do with Kiss-shot's heart going missing. Does Kizu confirm it?
+ Show Spoiler +yes.
hinted where? or did you just not recall?
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On January 14 2013 10:49 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 10:36 ragz_gt wrote:On January 14 2013 10:10 Spazer wrote:
Kagetsu's been translated for yeeeeears. Ah OK. It's pretty fun though not all that important. On January 14 2013 10:30 DeltaSigmaL wrote:On January 14 2013 08:24 Ecael wrote:On January 14 2013 06:25 SheaR619 wrote:On January 13 2013 08:46 Nagisama wrote:On January 13 2013 08:30 SheaR619 wrote:On January 12 2013 22:14 ragz_gt wrote:On January 12 2013 19:40 SheaR619 wrote:So I just watched Nekomonogatari and I cant figure this out. It was hinted in Bakemonogatari as well but maybe for you guy who has read the light novel can shower me with the answer. Since I been hearing that the ending of Nekomonogatari got altered. + Show Spoiler + Was Araragi ever in love with Hanekawa? Throughout nekomono, this question keep getting toss around. He first come to the conclusion that it was just lust with his sister but he eventually went as far as to die for her. Even stating at the end that he kinda regrets that he failed to even do that. Then with his final talk with Oshino, he once again says that he doesnt love her. Oshino told him that Hanekawa was indeed in love with him and even said something along the line that, "Just because she never said she loves you, doesnt mean you doesnt love you." I was going to leave it that but then I realize that this also could also apply to Araragi as well. Then he finally said he would NEVER love Hanekawa.
So once again, was Araragi ever in love with Hanekawa? Why did he say he can never love Hanekawa or was it just because he wanted them to stay friends? Was their something about Hanekawa that he didnt like? + Show Spoiler [Araragi/Hanekawa] +Well, Araragi felt he is deeply in debt to her (because what happened in Kizu which apparently we are not gonna get) so he felt he couldn't fall in love with her (because love is an equal relationship). + Show Spoiler [Season 2 stuff] +Hanekawa eventually confessed to him but Araragi refused + Show Spoiler +So Araragi did like her but he cant ever love her due to him being in debt to her? I though Kizu was on the winter anime list and last I heard it was getting delayed. It is not canceled is it? + Show Spoiler +Araragi also thinks she's like perfect in every way possible. Perfect grades, attendence, knows everything, is always nice, thinks she's a saint, etc etc. He could never see himself as an equal to her. Also, Kizu is suppose to be in theatres sometime in 2013, but they also said it was suppose to be out in 2012. + Show Spoiler +It true that Hanekawa is perfect in every other way and Araragi can never be in the same league as her but I dont see how that a bad thing. I mean wouldnt you want a girl that is perfect yourself? (perfect chest!) I would understand that him feeling inferior and feeling that someone like him would never be seen by Hanekawa more then a friend but she eventually did confess to him shows that she did love him. If he didnt hook up with Senjouhara and was still single during the confession, I think it should make sense that he would of hooked up with Hanekawa.
Ehhh either way, I am probably reading too deep into this. The Hanekawa and Araragi relationship is far to complex and is one of the most interesting part of this series. Wish Kizu come out soon so I can get a better understanding of their relationship before Neko. But ya, Kizu keep getting push back so I wouldnt be surprise if we dont see it for a while Kizu basically only flesh out the things that make Araragi feel the way he does in Neko Kuro, it explains more of his relationship w/ Shinobu and Gahara-san more so than it does Hanekawa really. For the rest of what you said though, wait till season 2 or read Neko Shiro translated version. Kizu explains araragi's relationship w/ shinobo and gahara? I haven't read the LNs but isn't Kizu before Neko which is before Bake? Kizu is the very first chronologically... except all the parts from Kabuki and Oni. + Show Spoiler +It's how Araragi/Shinobu/Hanekawa/Meme met. It has nothing to do with Senjougahara personally (she doesn't even make an appearance) but explains Araragi's personality which in turn affect his relationship with her. + Show Spoiler [Kizu] +I cant recall well so Ill just ask, its hinted that Oshino has something to do with Kiss-shot's heart going missing. Does Kizu confirm it?
+ Show Spoiler +It's not hinted, he did it, and said it.
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On January 14 2013 10:52 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 10:49 Rebs wrote:On January 14 2013 10:36 ragz_gt wrote:On January 14 2013 10:10 Spazer wrote:
Kagetsu's been translated for yeeeeears. Ah OK. It's pretty fun though not all that important. On January 14 2013 10:30 DeltaSigmaL wrote:On January 14 2013 08:24 Ecael wrote:On January 14 2013 06:25 SheaR619 wrote:On January 13 2013 08:46 Nagisama wrote:On January 13 2013 08:30 SheaR619 wrote:On January 12 2013 22:14 ragz_gt wrote:On January 12 2013 19:40 SheaR619 wrote:So I just watched Nekomonogatari and I cant figure this out. It was hinted in Bakemonogatari as well but maybe for you guy who has read the light novel can shower me with the answer. Since I been hearing that the ending of Nekomonogatari got altered. + Show Spoiler + Was Araragi ever in love with Hanekawa? Throughout nekomono, this question keep getting toss around. He first come to the conclusion that it was just lust with his sister but he eventually went as far as to die for her. Even stating at the end that he kinda regrets that he failed to even do that. Then with his final talk with Oshino, he once again says that he doesnt love her. Oshino told him that Hanekawa was indeed in love with him and even said something along the line that, "Just because she never said she loves you, doesnt mean you doesnt love you." I was going to leave it that but then I realize that this also could also apply to Araragi as well. Then he finally said he would NEVER love Hanekawa.
So once again, was Araragi ever in love with Hanekawa? Why did he say he can never love Hanekawa or was it just because he wanted them to stay friends? Was their something about Hanekawa that he didnt like? + Show Spoiler [Araragi/Hanekawa] +Well, Araragi felt he is deeply in debt to her (because what happened in Kizu which apparently we are not gonna get) so he felt he couldn't fall in love with her (because love is an equal relationship). + Show Spoiler [Season 2 stuff] +Hanekawa eventually confessed to him but Araragi refused + Show Spoiler +So Araragi did like her but he cant ever love her due to him being in debt to her? I though Kizu was on the winter anime list and last I heard it was getting delayed. It is not canceled is it? + Show Spoiler +Araragi also thinks she's like perfect in every way possible. Perfect grades, attendence, knows everything, is always nice, thinks she's a saint, etc etc. He could never see himself as an equal to her. Also, Kizu is suppose to be in theatres sometime in 2013, but they also said it was suppose to be out in 2012. + Show Spoiler +It true that Hanekawa is perfect in every other way and Araragi can never be in the same league as her but I dont see how that a bad thing. I mean wouldnt you want a girl that is perfect yourself? (perfect chest!) I would understand that him feeling inferior and feeling that someone like him would never be seen by Hanekawa more then a friend but she eventually did confess to him shows that she did love him. If he didnt hook up with Senjouhara and was still single during the confession, I think it should make sense that he would of hooked up with Hanekawa.
Ehhh either way, I am probably reading too deep into this. The Hanekawa and Araragi relationship is far to complex and is one of the most interesting part of this series. Wish Kizu come out soon so I can get a better understanding of their relationship before Neko. But ya, Kizu keep getting push back so I wouldnt be surprise if we dont see it for a while Kizu basically only flesh out the things that make Araragi feel the way he does in Neko Kuro, it explains more of his relationship w/ Shinobu and Gahara-san more so than it does Hanekawa really. For the rest of what you said though, wait till season 2 or read Neko Shiro translated version. Kizu explains araragi's relationship w/ shinobo and gahara? I haven't read the LNs but isn't Kizu before Neko which is before Bake? Kizu is the very first chronologically... except all the parts from Kabuki and Oni. + Show Spoiler +It's how Araragi/Shinobu/Hanekawa/Meme met. It has nothing to do with Senjougahara personally (she doesn't even make an appearance) but explains Araragi's personality which in turn affect his relationship with her. + Show Spoiler [Kizu] +I cant recall well so Ill just ask, its hinted that Oshino has something to do with Kiss-shot's heart going missing. Does Kizu confirm it? + Show Spoiler +It's not hinted, he did it, and said it.
+ Show Spoiler [kizu] +Im sorry, I should have asked the question somewhat clearer. Is it explicit why ?
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On January 14 2013 11:31 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 10:52 ragz_gt wrote:On January 14 2013 10:49 Rebs wrote:On January 14 2013 10:36 ragz_gt wrote:On January 14 2013 10:10 Spazer wrote:
Kagetsu's been translated for yeeeeears. Ah OK. It's pretty fun though not all that important. On January 14 2013 10:30 DeltaSigmaL wrote:On January 14 2013 08:24 Ecael wrote:On January 14 2013 06:25 SheaR619 wrote:On January 13 2013 08:46 Nagisama wrote:On January 13 2013 08:30 SheaR619 wrote:On January 12 2013 22:14 ragz_gt wrote:[quote] + Show Spoiler [Araragi/Hanekawa] +Well, Araragi felt he is deeply in debt to her (because what happened in Kizu which apparently we are not gonna get) so he felt he couldn't fall in love with her (because love is an equal relationship). + Show Spoiler [Season 2 stuff] +Hanekawa eventually confessed to him but Araragi refused + Show Spoiler +So Araragi did like her but he cant ever love her due to him being in debt to her? I though Kizu was on the winter anime list and last I heard it was getting delayed. It is not canceled is it? + Show Spoiler +Araragi also thinks she's like perfect in every way possible. Perfect grades, attendence, knows everything, is always nice, thinks she's a saint, etc etc. He could never see himself as an equal to her. Also, Kizu is suppose to be in theatres sometime in 2013, but they also said it was suppose to be out in 2012. + Show Spoiler +It true that Hanekawa is perfect in every other way and Araragi can never be in the same league as her but I dont see how that a bad thing. I mean wouldnt you want a girl that is perfect yourself? (perfect chest!) I would understand that him feeling inferior and feeling that someone like him would never be seen by Hanekawa more then a friend but she eventually did confess to him shows that she did love him. If he didnt hook up with Senjouhara and was still single during the confession, I think it should make sense that he would of hooked up with Hanekawa.
Ehhh either way, I am probably reading too deep into this. The Hanekawa and Araragi relationship is far to complex and is one of the most interesting part of this series. Wish Kizu come out soon so I can get a better understanding of their relationship before Neko. But ya, Kizu keep getting push back so I wouldnt be surprise if we dont see it for a while Kizu basically only flesh out the things that make Araragi feel the way he does in Neko Kuro, it explains more of his relationship w/ Shinobu and Gahara-san more so than it does Hanekawa really. For the rest of what you said though, wait till season 2 or read Neko Shiro translated version. Kizu explains araragi's relationship w/ shinobo and gahara? I haven't read the LNs but isn't Kizu before Neko which is before Bake? Kizu is the very first chronologically... except all the parts from Kabuki and Oni. + Show Spoiler +It's how Araragi/Shinobu/Hanekawa/Meme met. It has nothing to do with Senjougahara personally (she doesn't even make an appearance) but explains Araragi's personality which in turn affect his relationship with her. + Show Spoiler [Kizu] +I cant recall well so Ill just ask, its hinted that Oshino has something to do with Kiss-shot's heart going missing. Does Kizu confirm it? + Show Spoiler +It's not hinted, he did it, and said it. + Show Spoiler [kizu] +Im sorry, I should have asked the question somewhat clearer. Is it explicit why ?
+ Show Spoiler +yes, it was pretty explicit. don't really know how you could've missed it.
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On January 14 2013 11:33 Nagisama wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 11:31 Rebs wrote:On January 14 2013 10:52 ragz_gt wrote:On January 14 2013 10:49 Rebs wrote:On January 14 2013 10:36 ragz_gt wrote:On January 14 2013 10:10 Spazer wrote:
Kagetsu's been translated for yeeeeears. Ah OK. It's pretty fun though not all that important. On January 14 2013 10:30 DeltaSigmaL wrote:On January 14 2013 08:24 Ecael wrote:On January 14 2013 06:25 SheaR619 wrote:On January 13 2013 08:46 Nagisama wrote:On January 13 2013 08:30 SheaR619 wrote:[quote] + Show Spoiler +So Araragi did like her but he cant ever love her due to him being in debt to her? I though Kizu was on the winter anime list and last I heard it was getting delayed. It is not canceled is it? + Show Spoiler +Araragi also thinks she's like perfect in every way possible. Perfect grades, attendence, knows everything, is always nice, thinks she's a saint, etc etc. He could never see himself as an equal to her. Also, Kizu is suppose to be in theatres sometime in 2013, but they also said it was suppose to be out in 2012. + Show Spoiler +It true that Hanekawa is perfect in every other way and Araragi can never be in the same league as her but I dont see how that a bad thing. I mean wouldnt you want a girl that is perfect yourself? (perfect chest!) I would understand that him feeling inferior and feeling that someone like him would never be seen by Hanekawa more then a friend but she eventually did confess to him shows that she did love him. If he didnt hook up with Senjouhara and was still single during the confession, I think it should make sense that he would of hooked up with Hanekawa.
Ehhh either way, I am probably reading too deep into this. The Hanekawa and Araragi relationship is far to complex and is one of the most interesting part of this series. Wish Kizu come out soon so I can get a better understanding of their relationship before Neko. But ya, Kizu keep getting push back so I wouldnt be surprise if we dont see it for a while Kizu basically only flesh out the things that make Araragi feel the way he does in Neko Kuro, it explains more of his relationship w/ Shinobu and Gahara-san more so than it does Hanekawa really. For the rest of what you said though, wait till season 2 or read Neko Shiro translated version. Kizu explains araragi's relationship w/ shinobo and gahara? I haven't read the LNs but isn't Kizu before Neko which is before Bake? Kizu is the very first chronologically... except all the parts from Kabuki and Oni. + Show Spoiler +It's how Araragi/Shinobu/Hanekawa/Meme met. It has nothing to do with Senjougahara personally (she doesn't even make an appearance) but explains Araragi's personality which in turn affect his relationship with her. + Show Spoiler [Kizu] +I cant recall well so Ill just ask, its hinted that Oshino has something to do with Kiss-shot's heart going missing. Does Kizu confirm it? + Show Spoiler +It's not hinted, he did it, and said it. + Show Spoiler [kizu] +Im sorry, I should have asked the question somewhat clearer. Is it explicit why ? + Show Spoiler +yes, it was pretty explicit. don't really know how you could've missed it.
+ Show Spoiler [Kizu] +Ok then I forgot, why does he steal it ?
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On January 14 2013 11:35 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 11:33 Nagisama wrote:On January 14 2013 11:31 Rebs wrote:On January 14 2013 10:52 ragz_gt wrote:On January 14 2013 10:49 Rebs wrote:On January 14 2013 10:36 ragz_gt wrote:On January 14 2013 10:10 Spazer wrote:
Kagetsu's been translated for yeeeeears. Ah OK. It's pretty fun though not all that important. On January 14 2013 10:30 DeltaSigmaL wrote:On January 14 2013 08:24 Ecael wrote:On January 14 2013 06:25 SheaR619 wrote:On January 13 2013 08:46 Nagisama wrote:[quote] + Show Spoiler +Araragi also thinks she's like perfect in every way possible. Perfect grades, attendence, knows everything, is always nice, thinks she's a saint, etc etc. He could never see himself as an equal to her. Also, Kizu is suppose to be in theatres sometime in 2013, but they also said it was suppose to be out in 2012. + Show Spoiler +It true that Hanekawa is perfect in every other way and Araragi can never be in the same league as her but I dont see how that a bad thing. I mean wouldnt you want a girl that is perfect yourself? (perfect chest!) I would understand that him feeling inferior and feeling that someone like him would never be seen by Hanekawa more then a friend but she eventually did confess to him shows that she did love him. If he didnt hook up with Senjouhara and was still single during the confession, I think it should make sense that he would of hooked up with Hanekawa.
Ehhh either way, I am probably reading too deep into this. The Hanekawa and Araragi relationship is far to complex and is one of the most interesting part of this series. Wish Kizu come out soon so I can get a better understanding of their relationship before Neko. But ya, Kizu keep getting push back so I wouldnt be surprise if we dont see it for a while Kizu basically only flesh out the things that make Araragi feel the way he does in Neko Kuro, it explains more of his relationship w/ Shinobu and Gahara-san more so than it does Hanekawa really. For the rest of what you said though, wait till season 2 or read Neko Shiro translated version. Kizu explains araragi's relationship w/ shinobo and gahara? I haven't read the LNs but isn't Kizu before Neko which is before Bake? Kizu is the very first chronologically... except all the parts from Kabuki and Oni. + Show Spoiler +It's how Araragi/Shinobu/Hanekawa/Meme met. It has nothing to do with Senjougahara personally (she doesn't even make an appearance) but explains Araragi's personality which in turn affect his relationship with her. + Show Spoiler [Kizu] +I cant recall well so Ill just ask, its hinted that Oshino has something to do with Kiss-shot's heart going missing. Does Kizu confirm it? + Show Spoiler +It's not hinted, he did it, and said it. + Show Spoiler [kizu] +Im sorry, I should have asked the question somewhat clearer. Is it explicit why ? + Show Spoiler +yes, it was pretty explicit. don't really know how you could've missed it. + Show Spoiler [Kizu] +Ok then I forgot, why does he steal it ?
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+ Show Spoiler +For "balance". I don't remember if it was also cause Oshino knew that Shinobu wanted to die or not, but he stole it from her right before the start of the novel to balance out her OP'ness vs the three vampire hunters. That's how Shinobu ended up the way she was at the beginning.
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On January 14 2013 11:35 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 11:33 Nagisama wrote:On January 14 2013 11:31 Rebs wrote:On January 14 2013 10:52 ragz_gt wrote:On January 14 2013 10:49 Rebs wrote:On January 14 2013 10:36 ragz_gt wrote:On January 14 2013 10:10 Spazer wrote:
Kagetsu's been translated for yeeeeears. Ah OK. It's pretty fun though not all that important. On January 14 2013 10:30 DeltaSigmaL wrote:On January 14 2013 08:24 Ecael wrote:On January 14 2013 06:25 SheaR619 wrote:On January 13 2013 08:46 Nagisama wrote:[quote] + Show Spoiler +Araragi also thinks she's like perfect in every way possible. Perfect grades, attendence, knows everything, is always nice, thinks she's a saint, etc etc. He could never see himself as an equal to her. Also, Kizu is suppose to be in theatres sometime in 2013, but they also said it was suppose to be out in 2012. + Show Spoiler +It true that Hanekawa is perfect in every other way and Araragi can never be in the same league as her but I dont see how that a bad thing. I mean wouldnt you want a girl that is perfect yourself? (perfect chest!) I would understand that him feeling inferior and feeling that someone like him would never be seen by Hanekawa more then a friend but she eventually did confess to him shows that she did love him. If he didnt hook up with Senjouhara and was still single during the confession, I think it should make sense that he would of hooked up with Hanekawa.
Ehhh either way, I am probably reading too deep into this. The Hanekawa and Araragi relationship is far to complex and is one of the most interesting part of this series. Wish Kizu come out soon so I can get a better understanding of their relationship before Neko. But ya, Kizu keep getting push back so I wouldnt be surprise if we dont see it for a while Kizu basically only flesh out the things that make Araragi feel the way he does in Neko Kuro, it explains more of his relationship w/ Shinobu and Gahara-san more so than it does Hanekawa really. For the rest of what you said though, wait till season 2 or read Neko Shiro translated version. Kizu explains araragi's relationship w/ shinobo and gahara? I haven't read the LNs but isn't Kizu before Neko which is before Bake? Kizu is the very first chronologically... except all the parts from Kabuki and Oni. + Show Spoiler +It's how Araragi/Shinobu/Hanekawa/Meme met. It has nothing to do with Senjougahara personally (she doesn't even make an appearance) but explains Araragi's personality which in turn affect his relationship with her. + Show Spoiler [Kizu] +I cant recall well so Ill just ask, its hinted that Oshino has something to do with Kiss-shot's heart going missing. Does Kizu confirm it? + Show Spoiler +It's not hinted, he did it, and said it. + Show Spoiler [kizu] +Im sorry, I should have asked the question somewhat clearer. Is it explicit why ? + Show Spoiler +yes, it was pretty explicit. don't really know how you could've missed it. + Show Spoiler [Kizu] +Ok then I forgot, why does he steal it ?
+ Show Spoiler [Kizu] +
He wanted to maintain the balance (whatever that means) so he stole kissshot's heart and weakens her. As the result she would be even with vampire hunters. TBH It's pretty dumb but it is what it is. It's also his reason for helping Araragi, to keep balance.
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On January 14 2013 11:41 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 11:35 Rebs wrote:On January 14 2013 11:33 Nagisama wrote:On January 14 2013 11:31 Rebs wrote:On January 14 2013 10:52 ragz_gt wrote:On January 14 2013 10:49 Rebs wrote:On January 14 2013 10:36 ragz_gt wrote:On January 14 2013 10:10 Spazer wrote:
Kagetsu's been translated for yeeeeears. Ah OK. It's pretty fun though not all that important. On January 14 2013 10:30 DeltaSigmaL wrote:On January 14 2013 08:24 Ecael wrote:On January 14 2013 06:25 SheaR619 wrote:[quote] + Show Spoiler +It true that Hanekawa is perfect in every other way and Araragi can never be in the same league as her but I dont see how that a bad thing. I mean wouldnt you want a girl that is perfect yourself? (perfect chest!) I would understand that him feeling inferior and feeling that someone like him would never be seen by Hanekawa more then a friend but she eventually did confess to him shows that she did love him. If he didnt hook up with Senjouhara and was still single during the confession, I think it should make sense that he would of hooked up with Hanekawa.
Ehhh either way, I am probably reading too deep into this. The Hanekawa and Araragi relationship is far to complex and is one of the most interesting part of this series. Wish Kizu come out soon so I can get a better understanding of their relationship before Neko. But ya, Kizu keep getting push back so I wouldnt be surprise if we dont see it for a while Kizu basically only flesh out the things that make Araragi feel the way he does in Neko Kuro, it explains more of his relationship w/ Shinobu and Gahara-san more so than it does Hanekawa really. For the rest of what you said though, wait till season 2 or read Neko Shiro translated version. Kizu explains araragi's relationship w/ shinobo and gahara? I haven't read the LNs but isn't Kizu before Neko which is before Bake? Kizu is the very first chronologically... except all the parts from Kabuki and Oni. + Show Spoiler +It's how Araragi/Shinobu/Hanekawa/Meme met. It has nothing to do with Senjougahara personally (she doesn't even make an appearance) but explains Araragi's personality which in turn affect his relationship with her. + Show Spoiler [Kizu] +I cant recall well so Ill just ask, its hinted that Oshino has something to do with Kiss-shot's heart going missing. Does Kizu confirm it? + Show Spoiler +It's not hinted, he did it, and said it. + Show Spoiler [kizu] +Im sorry, I should have asked the question somewhat clearer. Is it explicit why ? + Show Spoiler +yes, it was pretty explicit. don't really know how you could've missed it. + Show Spoiler [Kizu] +Ok then I forgot, why does he steal it ? + Show Spoiler [Kizu] +
He wanted to maintain the balance (whatever that means) so he stole kissshot's heart and weakens her. As the result she would be even with vampire hunters. TBH It's pretty dumb but it is what it is. It's also his reason for helping Araragi, to keep balance.
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