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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 14:55:38
August 21 2012 14:51 GMT
#45421
On August 21 2012 23:50 Southlight wrote:
What's DDD? Do you mean his new (somewhat) full-time work Red Dragon?


Decoration Disorder Disconnection (no, it doesn't make sense to me either), novel by Kinoko.

BTW, Red Dragon sounds amazing. 3 of my fav authors (Kinoko, Narita, Ai no Senshi) together. Sanda Makoto is no chopped liver either.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 21 2012 14:52 GMT
#45422
I was being sarcastic.
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 14:58:21
August 21 2012 14:58 GMT
#45423
Well, With Narita at least you can expect Red Dragon crank out stuff.

Just hope it doesn't evd up like Polyphonica (which I do love, but... it's a mess).
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
August 21 2012 15:24 GMT
#45424
On August 21 2012 23:44 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 23:43 Lucumo wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:25 Ecael wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:16 Southlight wrote:
It was horrible.

It is horrible to wait another 1~2 decades for part 2, yes.

As a fellow T-M fan, I expected you to write a bit...whether it's up to their standard etc.
I'm used to waiting, so that isn't really a problem. As long as they create it at all, it's fine. Also, there is still the Tsukihime remake in the pipeline.

Uta looked like he wants to troll so I'll hold off a bit. If you want to search though there should be posts about thoughts on mahoyo.

There are? Didn't really find anything searching for Maho(u)tsukai no Yoru/Witch on the Holy Night.

Btw: Any tips on how to buy a game from a Japanese website which doesn't want to sell to foreigners? I thought I should finally buy Battle Moon Wars(before it's not available anymore(new)) but my forwarding service doesn't work -.-
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 15:39:16
August 21 2012 15:31 GMT
#45425
On August 22 2012 00:24 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 23:44 Ecael wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:43 Lucumo wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:25 Ecael wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:16 Southlight wrote:
It was horrible.

It is horrible to wait another 1~2 decades for part 2, yes.

As a fellow T-M fan, I expected you to write a bit...whether it's up to their standard etc.
I'm used to waiting, so that isn't really a problem. As long as they create it at all, it's fine. Also, there is still the Tsukihime remake in the pipeline.

Uta looked like he wants to troll so I'll hold off a bit. If you want to search though there should be posts about thoughts on mahoyo.

There are? Didn't really find anything searching for Maho(u)tsukai no Yoru/Witch on the Holy Night.

Btw: Any tips on how to buy a game from a Japanese website which doesn't want to sell to foreigners? I thought I should finally buy Battle Moon Wars(before it's not available anymore(new)) but my forwarding service doesn't work -.-

That's because it is mahoyo. Though on a more careful search it seems that everything might've been done in im+irc form and not have been posted here, maybe.

and no clue, some places just won't take credit card or have really annoying payment systems like cod, idk what to do about those since no forwarding services will deal w/ cod.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
August 21 2012 15:42 GMT
#45426
On August 22 2012 00:31 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2012 00:24 Lucumo wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:44 Ecael wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:43 Lucumo wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:25 Ecael wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:16 Southlight wrote:
It was horrible.

It is horrible to wait another 1~2 decades for part 2, yes.

As a fellow T-M fan, I expected you to write a bit...whether it's up to their standard etc.
I'm used to waiting, so that isn't really a problem. As long as they create it at all, it's fine. Also, there is still the Tsukihime remake in the pipeline.

Uta looked like he wants to troll so I'll hold off a bit. If you want to search though there should be posts about thoughts on mahoyo.

There are? Didn't really find anything searching for Maho(u)tsukai no Yoru/Witch on the Holy Night.

Btw: Any tips on how to buy a game from a Japanese website which doesn't want to sell to foreigners? I thought I should finally buy Battle Moon Wars(before it's not available anymore(new)) but my forwarding service doesn't work -.-

That's because it is mahoyo.

and no clue, some places just won't take credit card or have really annoying payment systems like cod, idk what to do about those since no forwarding services will deal w/ cod.

Doesn't find anything either

Hm, those must be rather small stores, right? So far, everyone offered payment either via Paypal or credit card. And usually, amazon has all I need anyway, except for doujin stuff...like BMW.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
August 21 2012 15:46 GMT
#45427
On August 22 2012 00:24 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 23:44 Ecael wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:43 Lucumo wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:25 Ecael wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:16 Southlight wrote:
It was horrible.

It is horrible to wait another 1~2 decades for part 2, yes.

As a fellow T-M fan, I expected you to write a bit...whether it's up to their standard etc.
I'm used to waiting, so that isn't really a problem. As long as they create it at all, it's fine. Also, there is still the Tsukihime remake in the pipeline.

Uta looked like he wants to troll so I'll hold off a bit. If you want to search though there should be posts about thoughts on mahoyo.

There are? Didn't really find anything searching for Maho(u)tsukai no Yoru/Witch on the Holy Night.

Btw: Any tips on how to buy a game from a Japanese website which doesn't want to sell to foreigners? I thought I should finally buy Battle Moon Wars(before it's not available anymore(new)) but my forwarding service doesn't work -.-

What is this... "buy" Battle Moon Wars? :p
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
August 21 2012 15:53 GMT
#45428
I think it might be easier to find ways to donate to Werk rather than try to actually buy BMW.

and yeah I guess there were no real posts here about mahoyo since most exchanges seems to have taken place in irc or on im. Ummm, length wise it is about a full route of F/SN. Presentation is out of this world amazing. Plot was fairly important from a lore perspective but in itself might be consider rather pointless. Character revelations are big as you can guess given who it involves. Overall a very strong work far as I am concerned even if it is on the short side. Parts 2 and on won't be for decades with the current rate. So basically, Mahoyo is the RW of 2012, we've had some pretty good years since the terrors ended with 2010.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 16:05:22
August 21 2012 15:55 GMT
#45429
On August 22 2012 00:46 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2012 00:24 Lucumo wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:44 Ecael wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:43 Lucumo wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:25 Ecael wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:16 Southlight wrote:
It was horrible.

It is horrible to wait another 1~2 decades for part 2, yes.

As a fellow T-M fan, I expected you to write a bit...whether it's up to their standard etc.
I'm used to waiting, so that isn't really a problem. As long as they create it at all, it's fine. Also, there is still the Tsukihime remake in the pipeline.

Uta looked like he wants to troll so I'll hold off a bit. If you want to search though there should be posts about thoughts on mahoyo.

There are? Didn't really find anything searching for Maho(u)tsukai no Yoru/Witch on the Holy Night.

Btw: Any tips on how to buy a game from a Japanese website which doesn't want to sell to foreigners? I thought I should finally buy Battle Moon Wars(before it's not available anymore(new)) but my forwarding service doesn't work -.-

What is this... "buy" Battle Moon Wars? :p

I completed it a long time ago and since it's a pretty good game(I love SRPGs), I wanna support Werk. Nothing wrong with that, imo.

On August 22 2012 00:53 Ecael wrote:
I think it might be easier to find ways to donate to Werk rather than try to actually buy BMW.

and yeah I guess there were no real posts here about mahoyo since most exchanges seems to have taken place in irc or on im. Ummm, length wise it is about a full route of F/SN. Presentation is out of this world amazing. Plot was fairly important from a lore perspective but in itself might be consider rather pointless. Character revelations are big as you can guess given who it involves. Overall a very strong work far as I am concerned even if it is on the short side. Parts 2 and on won't be for decades with the current rate. So basically, Mahoyo is the RW of 2012, we've had some pretty good years since the terrors ended with 2010.

I just like my physical copies. But you might be right in that regard.

Hm, so it should definitely satisfy me. It being short and no voices are compensated by the other parts of the work? That's fine, I guess. Now I have to wait for two translations, the latest Melty Blood game(complete patch) and this one. Actually, three if you include the Kara no Kyoukai novels. *sigh* I really need to learn Japanese anytime soon. But doing it on your own, that seems impossible.
The lore is pretty awesome by the way, too bad the bits and pieces are everywhere. It's impossible to get a hold of them all.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 21 2012 16:15 GMT
#45430
Calling it a full route of F/SN is unfair because I think it was shorter, and less filling. At least stuff happened in F/SN. I don't think you can say the same for MahoYo except that it depicts mostly what we already knew about, just in more detail. Also discovered that a certain character is a lazy bum later on. So lazy. So very lazy.

It's pretty blatantly just a teaser "episode" so to speak. Only one character goes "all-out," but that character was never known for combat prowess. You get hints at the future potential of two characters, one of whom we know how it ends, and the other literally is left to "well you'll find out later!" except we know how fast they write. Considering it took like 5 years of production to produce a VN that was essentially a 10 hours despite working off high-school notes, chalk me unenthused about the prospect of the 20-year wait for part 2 and the 20-year wait for part 3.

Presentation was top-notch though. It's just that it was clearly a fanservice VN, so it's good if you like a bit of lore, not so much if you're looking for like, an actual VN.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
August 21 2012 17:07 GMT
#45431
On August 21 2012 23:44 Ecael wrote:
I was sold on BS at the first rant from Touko-senpai, can't not love a series where you get pages upon pages of someone talking about books in food form.


That actually started to get somewhat irksome a few vols in for me. But then again that's not the only thing that makes Touko awesome.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
August 21 2012 17:15 GMT
#45432
Just finished watching the Fate Night Stay serie!

+ Show Spoiler +

I think I prefer Zero just a little bit more.

*Sure Night Stay has some of the typical "anime" humor and I got to laugh a few times. Quite a strange contrast between humor and how dark their world actually is.

*Zero is more dark, I actually fear for the lives of the character I am attached to. In Night, this feeling quickly goes away. It feels like the "bad guys" don't die (Yes I know, no one is truly bad in the Fate universe, well except some like Caster/Gilles de rais and his master. This is what I really like from this universe : its not always all black and white. Everyone has their reasons and as a viewer, you get to appreciate them, even if you dont agree with them).

Unfortunately, with Shirou in Night stay, it felt like he could get along with everyone (for the first half of the serie) : Rin wants to kill me? No problem, lets be partners
Ilya wants to kill me, and killed a friend of mine (who turned bad)? No problem, lets be friends.
This is something I cannot stand from some animes (the "lets all get along mentality"). Feels too childish (and I guess it is inevitable considering how young the cast is in Stay Night, compared to Zero - sure I get the idea behind this : its not all good or bad. But when poorly executed, and I think it was the case with Ilya + Rin, it feels cheesy as hell). The Zero serie was much more dark : people kill people, which is the essence of the Grail War. In Night Stay, even the non-participant couldn't die (well almost all of them : some people do die, like the victims from the News Broadcasts) because Shirou and friends would intervene and save them.

It also felt pretty cheap that Shirou could always do all the sacrifices, yet these aren't true sacrifices because of his infinite healing power... All the scenes were not touching because I knew he would survive. So the scenes were incredibly annoying.

*I was also surprised by Sakura. After Zero, I thought she would play a great role in the next Grail War. I was even expecting the tragic confrontation of Sakura vs Rin (which might have been a good theme). Unfortunately, the theme of the two sisters splitted wasn't really explored. Plus, I got the feeling throughout Night stay that these two weren't even sisters.
Unfortunately, she played a pretty minor role. Considering all the sacrifices Kariya Matou made in Zero, its really a shame Sakura didn't get to play a major role.
I also hoped to see the perverted Zoken Matou appear in Night Stay, but it would appear he died before seeing his wish of immortality come true. Too bad, I wanted him to pay.

*In Zero, I didn't get the feeling that one party deserved it more than the others (In Zero, for example, Kariya had good reasons, Kiritsugu, although enigmatic, had some. Velvet too) - whereas in Stay night, it was Shirou from the start to the end. I think this is mainly due to multiple POVs in Zero. In Stay night, the main POV is Shirou and we barely get to know the other masters. In Zero, the masters were given screen time and we got to explore their desires, and even cheer for them, sometimes.. The politics, mind games were also stronger in Zero (almost non-existent in Night Stay).

*I was really touched by the stories of the "kings" in Fate/Zero, mainly the confrontation between Saber and Rider and their definition of what it is to be king. I loved their story, and especially Saber's one, really a sad one. The story of Zero felt like it had more depths because of this. Sure, there was the Grail war, but there is also the individual struggle of all characters, and also their servants. In Night Stay, although we do get some glimpse of these struggles, the focus was almost only on the main characters. (lack of mutliple POVs). Because of this, Night Stay felt thinner than Zero

I was first curious as to whether Saber retained her memories from the last Holy Grail War. (In the first episodes, she looked like she didn't keep any of her old self from the last war. It is only near the end, when she meets Gilgamesh again, that we get to know that she remembers. Pretty cheap in my opinion). If only Night Stay was made after Zero and her story was more consistent, I feel like Saber story could have been the strongest point (in my opinion) from these two series. Kind of similar to Lucas making Star Wars 4-6 before making 1-3. Even though 4-6 are supposed to be after, by making them first, you can put some strong restraints on what you can do for 1-3. And sometimes, stuffs from 1-3 won't naturally transition into 4-6. I feel this is the case here. Zero showed some tragedies : Rin losing her family to the man whom her father trusted, Saber failure, Sakura taken away and corrupted by Matou, Kirei + Gilgamesh "winning", Valvet going to travel around the world etc. There were so many openings, but because Night Stay was made before Zero, these possibilities were never explored

Lancer looks like the same one from 10 years ago, in Zero, however it would appear he didn't keep any memories in Night Stay. Its also sad he didn't get to continue his knight battle against Saber (it was also one of the great confrontations from Zero)

I don't know what the ideal way of watching the Fate serie. I myself started with Zero. I must say that knowing the parents of many of the characters from the orginal Fate Stay Night affected my view of the original serie. Very tragic, in some way. For example, at first, i thought Ilya would be the "bad guy" so I found it very tragic considering all the sacrifices made by Kiritsugu + her mother Iri. Unfortunately, she turned out good and I also never really grasped her reasons of wanting the Grail.

TLDR: Overally, I enjoyed both series alot (I watched all of them in like a 2 days marathon!). I would probably put Zero higher than Night Stay though, because of how much more mature/dark/serious it felt.
I kind of wish for more Fate series (will there be any more?). But at the same time, I was overly attached to the characters from Zero, and up to a certain extent their offsprings in Night Stay (although, many of the stories disappointed me, like Sakura's one). I don't know if its possible for them to make another Grail War using the same cast (or their children).

Also, what is the Fate/Prototype? I hope its not a preview for the new Fate serie :O

Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 17:20:12
August 21 2012 17:19 GMT
#45433
On August 22 2012 02:15 XenOmega wrote:
Just finished watching the Fate Night Stay serie!

+ Show Spoiler +

I think I prefer Zero just a little bit more.

*Sure Night Stay has some of the typical "anime" humor and I got to laugh a few times. Quite a strange contrast between humor and how dark their world actually is.

*Zero is more dark, I actually fear for the lives of the character I am attached to. In Night, this feeling quickly goes away. It feels like the "bad guys" don't die (Yes I know, no one is truly bad in the Fate universe, well except some like Caster/Gilles de rais and his master. This is what I really like from this universe : its not always all black and white. Everyone has their reasons and as a viewer, you get to appreciate them, even if you dont agree with them).

Unfortunately, with Shirou in Night stay, it felt like he could get along with everyone (for the first half of the serie) : Rin wants to kill me? No problem, lets be partners
Ilya wants to kill me, and killed a friend of mine (who turned bad)? No problem, lets be friends.
This is something I cannot stand from some animes (the "lets all get along mentality"). Feels too childish (and I guess it is inevitable considering how young the cast is in Stay Night, compared to Zero - sure I get the idea behind this : its not all good or bad. But when poorly executed, and I think it was the case with Ilya + Rin, it feels cheesy as hell). The Zero serie was much more dark : people kill people, which is the essence of the Grail War. In Night Stay, even the non-participant couldn't die (well almost all of them : some people do die, like the victims from the News Broadcasts) because Shirou and friends would intervene and save them.

It also felt pretty cheap that Shirou could always do all the sacrifices, yet these aren't true sacrifices because of his infinite healing power... All the scenes were not touching because I knew he would survive. So the scenes were incredibly annoying.

*I was also surprised by Sakura. After Zero, I thought she would play a great role in the next Grail War. I was even expecting the tragic confrontation of Sakura vs Rin (which might have been a good theme). Unfortunately, the theme of the two sisters splitted wasn't really explored. Plus, I got the feeling throughout Night stay that these two weren't even sisters.
Unfortunately, she played a pretty minor role. Considering all the sacrifices Kariya Matou made in Zero, its really a shame Sakura didn't get to play a major role.
I also hoped to see the perverted Zoken Matou appear in Night Stay, but it would appear he died before seeing his wish of immortality come true. Too bad, I wanted him to pay.

*In Zero, I didn't get the feeling that one party deserved it more than the others (In Zero, for example, Kariya had good reasons, Kiritsugu, although enigmatic, had some. Velvet too) - whereas in Stay night, it was Shirou from the start to the end. I think this is mainly due to multiple POVs in Zero. In Stay night, the main POV is Shirou and we barely get to know the other masters. In Zero, the masters were given screen time and we got to explore their desires, and even cheer for them, sometimes.. The politics, mind games were also stronger in Zero (almost non-existent in Night Stay).

*I was really touched by the stories of the "kings" in Fate/Zero, mainly the confrontation between Saber and Rider and their definition of what it is to be king. I loved their story, and especially Saber's one, really a sad one. The story of Zero felt like it had more depths because of this. Sure, there was the Grail war, but there is also the individual struggle of all characters, and also their servants. In Night Stay, although we do get some glimpse of these struggles, the focus was almost only on the main characters. (lack of mutliple POVs). Because of this, Night Stay felt thinner than Zero

I was first curious as to whether Saber retained her memories from the last Holy Grail War. (In the first episodes, she looked like she didn't keep any of her old self from the last war. It is only near the end, when she meets Gilgamesh again, that we get to know that she remembers. Pretty cheap in my opinion). If only Night Stay was made after Zero and her story was more consistent, I feel like Saber story could have been the strongest point (in my opinion) from these two series. Kind of similar to Lucas making Star Wars 4-6 before making 1-3. Even though 4-6 are supposed to be after, by making them first, you can put some strong restraints on what you can do for 1-3. And sometimes, stuffs from 1-3 won't naturally transition into 4-6. I feel this is the case here. Zero showed some tragedies : Rin losing her family to the man whom her father trusted, Saber failure, Sakura taken away and corrupted by Matou, Kirei + Gilgamesh "winning", Valvet going to travel around the world etc. There were so many openings, but because Night Stay was made before Zero, these possibilities were never explored

Lancer looks like the same one from 10 years ago, in Zero, however it would appear he didn't keep any memories in Night Stay. Its also sad he didn't get to continue his knight battle against Saber (it was also one of the great confrontations from Zero)

I don't know what the ideal way of watching the Fate serie. I myself started with Zero. I must say that knowing the parents of many of the characters from the orginal Fate Stay Night affected my view of the original serie. Very tragic, in some way. For example, at first, i thought Ilya would be the "bad guy" so I found it very tragic considering all the sacrifices made by Kiritsugu + her mother Iri. Unfortunately, she turned out good and I also never really grasped her reasons of wanting the Grail.

TLDR: Overally, I enjoyed both series alot (I watched all of them in like a 2 days marathon!). I would probably put Zero higher than Night Stay though, because of how much more mature/dark/serious it felt.
I kind of wish for more Fate series (will there be any more?). But at the same time, I was overly attached to the characters from Zero, and up to a certain extent their offsprings in Night Stay (although, many of the stories disappointed me, like Sakura's one). I don't know if its possible for them to make another Grail War using the same cast (or their children).

Also, what is the Fate/Prototype? I hope its not a preview for the new Fate serie :O




Just so you know FSN the anime is pretty the Fate route from the VN, which isnt canon. So theirs your reason for some of the inconsistencies e.g the absense or lack of importance of Zouken/Sakura/True Assasin.

People keep saying to read the VN, they are right.

Fate Prototype is just some service from some original notes that got scrapped for what we have now.
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 17:38:15
August 21 2012 17:35 GMT
#45434
On August 22 2012 02:15 XenOmega wrote:
Just finished watching the Fate Night Stay serie!

+ Show Spoiler +

I think I prefer Zero just a little bit more.

*Sure Night Stay has some of the typical "anime" humor and I got to laugh a few times. Quite a strange contrast between humor and how dark their world actually is.

*Zero is more dark, I actually fear for the lives of the character I am attached to. In Night, this feeling quickly goes away. It feels like the "bad guys" don't die (Yes I know, no one is truly bad in the Fate universe, well except some like Caster/Gilles de rais and his master. This is what I really like from this universe : its not always all black and white. Everyone has their reasons and as a viewer, you get to appreciate them, even if you dont agree with them).

Unfortunately, with Shirou in Night stay, it felt like he could get along with everyone (for the first half of the serie) : Rin wants to kill me? No problem, lets be partners
Ilya wants to kill me, and killed a friend of mine (who turned bad)? No problem, lets be friends.
This is something I cannot stand from some animes (the "lets all get along mentality"). Feels too childish (and I guess it is inevitable considering how young the cast is in Stay Night, compared to Zero - sure I get the idea behind this : its not all good or bad. But when poorly executed, and I think it was the case with Ilya + Rin, it feels cheesy as hell). The Zero serie was much more dark : people kill people, which is the essence of the Grail War. In Night Stay, even the non-participant couldn't die (well almost all of them : some people do die, like the victims from the News Broadcasts) because Shirou and friends would intervene and save them.

It also felt pretty cheap that Shirou could always do all the sacrifices, yet these aren't true sacrifices because of his infinite healing power... All the scenes were not touching because I knew he would survive. So the scenes were incredibly annoying.

*I was also surprised by Sakura. After Zero, I thought she would play a great role in the next Grail War. I was even expecting the tragic confrontation of Sakura vs Rin (which might have been a good theme). Unfortunately, the theme of the two sisters splitted wasn't really explored. Plus, I got the feeling throughout Night stay that these two weren't even sisters.
Unfortunately, she played a pretty minor role. Considering all the sacrifices Kariya Matou made in Zero, its really a shame Sakura didn't get to play a major role.
I also hoped to see the perverted Zoken Matou appear in Night Stay, but it would appear he died before seeing his wish of immortality come true. Too bad, I wanted him to pay.

*In Zero, I didn't get the feeling that one party deserved it more than the others (In Zero, for example, Kariya had good reasons, Kiritsugu, although enigmatic, had some. Velvet too) - whereas in Stay night, it was Shirou from the start to the end. I think this is mainly due to multiple POVs in Zero. In Stay night, the main POV is Shirou and we barely get to know the other masters. In Zero, the masters were given screen time and we got to explore their desires, and even cheer for them, sometimes.. The politics, mind games were also stronger in Zero (almost non-existent in Night Stay).

*I was really touched by the stories of the "kings" in Fate/Zero, mainly the confrontation between Saber and Rider and their definition of what it is to be king. I loved their story, and especially Saber's one, really a sad one. The story of Zero felt like it had more depths because of this. Sure, there was the Grail war, but there is also the individual struggle of all characters, and also their servants. In Night Stay, although we do get some glimpse of these struggles, the focus was almost only on the main characters. (lack of mutliple POVs). Because of this, Night Stay felt thinner than Zero

I was first curious as to whether Saber retained her memories from the last Holy Grail War. (In the first episodes, she looked like she didn't keep any of her old self from the last war. It is only near the end, when she meets Gilgamesh again, that we get to know that she remembers. Pretty cheap in my opinion). If only Night Stay was made after Zero and her story was more consistent, I feel like Saber story could have been the strongest point (in my opinion) from these two series. Kind of similar to Lucas making Star Wars 4-6 before making 1-3. Even though 4-6 are supposed to be after, by making them first, you can put some strong restraints on what you can do for 1-3. And sometimes, stuffs from 1-3 won't naturally transition into 4-6. I feel this is the case here. Zero showed some tragedies : Rin losing her family to the man whom her father trusted, Saber failure, Sakura taken away and corrupted by Matou, Kirei + Gilgamesh "winning", Valvet going to travel around the world etc. There were so many openings, but because Night Stay was made before Zero, these possibilities were never explored

Lancer looks like the same one from 10 years ago, in Zero, however it would appear he didn't keep any memories in Night Stay. Its also sad he didn't get to continue his knight battle against Saber (it was also one of the great confrontations from Zero)

I don't know what the ideal way of watching the Fate serie. I myself started with Zero. I must say that knowing the parents of many of the characters from the orginal Fate Stay Night affected my view of the original serie. Very tragic, in some way. For example, at first, i thought Ilya would be the "bad guy" so I found it very tragic considering all the sacrifices made by Kiritsugu + her mother Iri. Unfortunately, she turned out good and I also never really grasped her reasons of wanting the Grail.

TLDR: Overally, I enjoyed both series alot (I watched all of them in like a 2 days marathon!). I would probably put Zero higher than Night Stay though, because of how much more mature/dark/serious it felt.
I kind of wish for more Fate series (will there be any more?). But at the same time, I was overly attached to the characters from Zero, and up to a certain extent their offsprings in Night Stay (although, many of the stories disappointed me, like Sakura's one). I don't know if its possible for them to make another Grail War using the same cast (or their children).

Also, what is the Fate/Prototype? I hope its not a preview for the new Fate serie :O



The Lancer in F/SN is not the same guy as Lancer in Fate Zero. Different heroes. Anyway, as has been said before, play the VN. Fate route = saber focused UBW = Rin/Archer Heaven's Feel = Sakura/Zouken

Edit: UBW also had some good Ilya stuff, I'm still working on HF though. Need to stop slacking.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 21 2012 17:36 GMT
#45435
Fate anime is pretty blend. It would be 3x better if they just did a good Fate route and without throwing random BS like Sakura and True Assassin into it. Most think that Fate if the worst route unless you are just a sucker for Saber (which I mostly agree, being more of a Ren, Lancer fan) UBW is alot more interesting and HF is alot deeper. Definitely go for VN. I'm not sure if Eng trans of FSN was based on original or Realta Nua (PS2 with full voice) though.

I still have Kodoku na Junrei as my ringtone after like 5 years.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
August 21 2012 17:39 GMT
#45436
On August 22 2012 02:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Fate anime is pretty blend. It would be 3x better if they just did a good Fate route and without throwing random BS like Sakura and True Assassin into it. Most think that Fate if the worst route unless you are just a sucker for Saber (which I mostly agree, being more of a Ren, Lancer fan) UBW is alot more interesting and HF is alot deeper. Definitely go for VN. I'm not sure if Eng trans of FSN was based on original or Realta Nua (PS2 with full voice) though.

I still have Kodoku na Junrei as my ringtone after like 5 years.


I have realta nua patch iirc.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
August 21 2012 17:54 GMT
#45437
On August 22 2012 02:15 XenOmega wrote:
Just finished watching the Fate Night Stay serie!

+ Show Spoiler +

I think I prefer Zero just a little bit more.

*Sure Night Stay has some of the typical "anime" humor and I got to laugh a few times. Quite a strange contrast between humor and how dark their world actually is.

*Zero is more dark, I actually fear for the lives of the character I am attached to. In Night, this feeling quickly goes away. It feels like the "bad guys" don't die (Yes I know, no one is truly bad in the Fate universe, well except some like Caster/Gilles de rais and his master. This is what I really like from this universe : its not always all black and white. Everyone has their reasons and as a viewer, you get to appreciate them, even if you dont agree with them).

Unfortunately, with Shirou in Night stay, it felt like he could get along with everyone (for the first half of the serie) : Rin wants to kill me? No problem, lets be partners
Ilya wants to kill me, and killed a friend of mine (who turned bad)? No problem, lets be friends.
This is something I cannot stand from some animes (the "lets all get along mentality"). Feels too childish (and I guess it is inevitable considering how young the cast is in Stay Night, compared to Zero - sure I get the idea behind this : its not all good or bad. But when poorly executed, and I think it was the case with Ilya + Rin, it feels cheesy as hell). The Zero serie was much more dark : people kill people, which is the essence of the Grail War. In Night Stay, even the non-participant couldn't die (well almost all of them : some people do die, like the victims from the News Broadcasts) because Shirou and friends would intervene and save them.

It also felt pretty cheap that Shirou could always do all the sacrifices, yet these aren't true sacrifices because of his infinite healing power... All the scenes were not touching because I knew he would survive. So the scenes were incredibly annoying.

*I was also surprised by Sakura. After Zero, I thought she would play a great role in the next Grail War. I was even expecting the tragic confrontation of Sakura vs Rin (which might have been a good theme). Unfortunately, the theme of the two sisters splitted wasn't really explored. Plus, I got the feeling throughout Night stay that these two weren't even sisters.
Unfortunately, she played a pretty minor role. Considering all the sacrifices Kariya Matou made in Zero, its really a shame Sakura didn't get to play a major role.
I also hoped to see the perverted Zoken Matou appear in Night Stay, but it would appear he died before seeing his wish of immortality come true. Too bad, I wanted him to pay.

*In Zero, I didn't get the feeling that one party deserved it more than the others (In Zero, for example, Kariya had good reasons, Kiritsugu, although enigmatic, had some. Velvet too) - whereas in Stay night, it was Shirou from the start to the end. I think this is mainly due to multiple POVs in Zero. In Stay night, the main POV is Shirou and we barely get to know the other masters. In Zero, the masters were given screen time and we got to explore their desires, and even cheer for them, sometimes.. The politics, mind games were also stronger in Zero (almost non-existent in Night Stay).

*I was really touched by the stories of the "kings" in Fate/Zero, mainly the confrontation between Saber and Rider and their definition of what it is to be king. I loved their story, and especially Saber's one, really a sad one. The story of Zero felt like it had more depths because of this. Sure, there was the Grail war, but there is also the individual struggle of all characters, and also their servants. In Night Stay, although we do get some glimpse of these struggles, the focus was almost only on the main characters. (lack of mutliple POVs). Because of this, Night Stay felt thinner than Zero

I was first curious as to whether Saber retained her memories from the last Holy Grail War. (In the first episodes, she looked like she didn't keep any of her old self from the last war. It is only near the end, when she meets Gilgamesh again, that we get to know that she remembers. Pretty cheap in my opinion). If only Night Stay was made after Zero and her story was more consistent, I feel like Saber story could have been the strongest point (in my opinion) from these two series. Kind of similar to Lucas making Star Wars 4-6 before making 1-3. Even though 4-6 are supposed to be after, by making them first, you can put some strong restraints on what you can do for 1-3. And sometimes, stuffs from 1-3 won't naturally transition into 4-6. I feel this is the case here. Zero showed some tragedies : Rin losing her family to the man whom her father trusted, Saber failure, Sakura taken away and corrupted by Matou, Kirei + Gilgamesh "winning", Valvet going to travel around the world etc. There were so many openings, but because Night Stay was made before Zero, these possibilities were never explored

Lancer looks like the same one from 10 years ago, in Zero, however it would appear he didn't keep any memories in Night Stay. Its also sad he didn't get to continue his knight battle against Saber (it was also one of the great confrontations from Zero)

I don't know what the ideal way of watching the Fate serie. I myself started with Zero. I must say that knowing the parents of many of the characters from the orginal Fate Stay Night affected my view of the original serie. Very tragic, in some way. For example, at first, i thought Ilya would be the "bad guy" so I found it very tragic considering all the sacrifices made by Kiritsugu + her mother Iri. Unfortunately, she turned out good and I also never really grasped her reasons of wanting the Grail.

TLDR: Overally, I enjoyed both series alot (I watched all of them in like a 2 days marathon!). I would probably put Zero higher than Night Stay though, because of how much more mature/dark/serious it felt.
I kind of wish for more Fate series (will there be any more?). But at the same time, I was overly attached to the characters from Zero, and up to a certain extent their offsprings in Night Stay (although, many of the stories disappointed me, like Sakura's one). I don't know if its possible for them to make another Grail War using the same cast (or their children).

Also, what is the Fate/Prototype? I hope its not a preview for the new Fate serie :O


FSN anime only covered one of three routes of the FSN visual novel, which is completely translated, and far superior to the anime. The Fate route is practically universally considered to be the weakest route, even among Saber fans. Unlimited Blade Works and Heavens Feel are both better regarded, and also have more about Rin/Sakura/Zouken/etc. There is a movie for UBW, but it practically skips all the plot/development in favor of action. Which is expected for trying to cram all of the route into just 1 movie.

You should read the VN. Since you have already finished the anime, just download a save file and start on UBW, then do HF.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
August 21 2012 17:56 GMT
#45438
On August 22 2012 02:15 XenOmega wrote:
Just finished watching the Fate Night Stay serie!

+ Show Spoiler +

I think I prefer Zero just a little bit more.

*Sure Night Stay has some of the typical "anime" humor and I got to laugh a few times. Quite a strange contrast between humor and how dark their world actually is.

*Zero is more dark, I actually fear for the lives of the character I am attached to. In Night, this feeling quickly goes away. It feels like the "bad guys" don't die (Yes I know, no one is truly bad in the Fate universe, well except some like Caster/Gilles de rais and his master. This is what I really like from this universe : its not always all black and white. Everyone has their reasons and as a viewer, you get to appreciate them, even if you dont agree with them).

Unfortunately, with Shirou in Night stay, it felt like he could get along with everyone (for the first half of the serie) : Rin wants to kill me? No problem, lets be partners
Ilya wants to kill me, and killed a friend of mine (who turned bad)? No problem, lets be friends.
This is something I cannot stand from some animes (the "lets all get along mentality"). Feels too childish (and I guess it is inevitable considering how young the cast is in Stay Night, compared to Zero - sure I get the idea behind this : its not all good or bad. But when poorly executed, and I think it was the case with Ilya + Rin, it feels cheesy as hell). The Zero serie was much more dark : people kill people, which is the essence of the Grail War. In Night Stay, even the non-participant couldn't die (well almost all of them : some people do die, like the victims from the News Broadcasts) because Shirou and friends would intervene and save them.

It also felt pretty cheap that Shirou could always do all the sacrifices, yet these aren't true sacrifices because of his infinite healing power... All the scenes were not touching because I knew he would survive. So the scenes were incredibly annoying.

*I was also surprised by Sakura. After Zero, I thought she would play a great role in the next Grail War. I was even expecting the tragic confrontation of Sakura vs Rin (which might have been a good theme). Unfortunately, the theme of the two sisters splitted wasn't really explored. Plus, I got the feeling throughout Night stay that these two weren't even sisters.
Unfortunately, she played a pretty minor role. Considering all the sacrifices Kariya Matou made in Zero, its really a shame Sakura didn't get to play a major role.
I also hoped to see the perverted Zoken Matou appear in Night Stay, but it would appear he died before seeing his wish of immortality come true. Too bad, I wanted him to pay.

*In Zero, I didn't get the feeling that one party deserved it more than the others (In Zero, for example, Kariya had good reasons, Kiritsugu, although enigmatic, had some. Velvet too) - whereas in Stay night, it was Shirou from the start to the end. I think this is mainly due to multiple POVs in Zero. In Stay night, the main POV is Shirou and we barely get to know the other masters. In Zero, the masters were given screen time and we got to explore their desires, and even cheer for them, sometimes.. The politics, mind games were also stronger in Zero (almost non-existent in Night Stay).

*I was really touched by the stories of the "kings" in Fate/Zero, mainly the confrontation between Saber and Rider and their definition of what it is to be king. I loved their story, and especially Saber's one, really a sad one. The story of Zero felt like it had more depths because of this. Sure, there was the Grail war, but there is also the individual struggle of all characters, and also their servants. In Night Stay, although we do get some glimpse of these struggles, the focus was almost only on the main characters. (lack of mutliple POVs). Because of this, Night Stay felt thinner than Zero

I was first curious as to whether Saber retained her memories from the last Holy Grail War. (In the first episodes, she looked like she didn't keep any of her old self from the last war. It is only near the end, when she meets Gilgamesh again, that we get to know that she remembers. Pretty cheap in my opinion). If only Night Stay was made after Zero and her story was more consistent, I feel like Saber story could have been the strongest point (in my opinion) from these two series. Kind of similar to Lucas making Star Wars 4-6 before making 1-3. Even though 4-6 are supposed to be after, by making them first, you can put some strong restraints on what you can do for 1-3. And sometimes, stuffs from 1-3 won't naturally transition into 4-6. I feel this is the case here. Zero showed some tragedies : Rin losing her family to the man whom her father trusted, Saber failure, Sakura taken away and corrupted by Matou, Kirei + Gilgamesh "winning", Valvet going to travel around the world etc. There were so many openings, but because Night Stay was made before Zero, these possibilities were never explored

Lancer looks like the same one from 10 years ago, in Zero, however it would appear he didn't keep any memories in Night Stay. Its also sad he didn't get to continue his knight battle against Saber (it was also one of the great confrontations from Zero)

I don't know what the ideal way of watching the Fate serie. I myself started with Zero. I must say that knowing the parents of many of the characters from the orginal Fate Stay Night affected my view of the original serie. Very tragic, in some way. For example, at first, i thought Ilya would be the "bad guy" so I found it very tragic considering all the sacrifices made by Kiritsugu + her mother Iri. Unfortunately, she turned out good and I also never really grasped her reasons of wanting the Grail.

TLDR: Overally, I enjoyed both series alot (I watched all of them in like a 2 days marathon!). I would probably put Zero higher than Night Stay though, because of how much more mature/dark/serious it felt.
I kind of wish for more Fate series (will there be any more?). But at the same time, I was overly attached to the characters from Zero, and up to a certain extent their offsprings in Night Stay (although, many of the stories disappointed me, like Sakura's one). I don't know if its possible for them to make another Grail War using the same cast (or their children).

Also, what is the Fate/Prototype? I hope its not a preview for the new Fate serie :O


Read the VN instead as I don't think they explained how the world works quite thoroughly in the anime.
+ Show Spoiler +
Lancer in FSN is Chu Chullain. Lancer in FZ is Diarmuid, completely different people. Also, the servants don't get to keep their memories except for Saber(which is a special case which was again explained in the VN). Servants are not really the real heroic spirits, but they are a manifestation of the heroic spirit made by the power of the holy grail. This was explained more thoroughly in UBW route I think. Sakura's story is told in Heaven's Feel route.


Fate prototype is exactly as the name says the prototype version of Fate/Stay Night.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 18:33:10
August 21 2012 18:32 GMT
#45439
Seitokai Yakuindomo was just so balls out the wall random I can't believe I watched all thirteen episodes. Thank god Tsuda was not a pervert, otherwise this would have been my first anime I disliked in my entire life. Hopefully EF and Nisemonogatari will be good and refill my hopes for anime ^_^
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 21 2012 18:35 GMT
#45440
Nisemonogatari is good (if you liked Bakemonogatari). Another very good LN to read.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
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