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Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
June 24 2012 07:26 GMT
#42841
Maybe Saber didnt give a shit that lancelot had a affair with Guinevere because saber was a girl -..-.

Honestly saber should of been a guy. Why did they make arthur a girl again? So u could fuck her?
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 24 2012 09:23 GMT
#42842
On June 24 2012 16:26 Tabbris wrote:
Maybe Saber didnt give a shit that lancelot had a affair with Guinevere because saber was a girl -..-.

Honestly saber should of been a guy. Why did they make arthur a girl again? So u could fuck her?

Well, judging from the number of versions of Sabers there are now...
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9593 Posts
June 24 2012 10:07 GMT
#42843
F/Z 25 + Show Spoiler +
Good closing episode. Finally got to see the Saber/Zerker interaction, Kariya dying and loli Rin getting the dagger she uses in the VN ;p Fate has a twisted sense of humor ^^. Top 2 anime of the year easily. Right up there with Steins;Gate !
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-24 10:16:27
June 24 2012 10:14 GMT
#42844
shame that i dropped the fate stay night anime almost instantly back then... but watching it now after fate zero is even more out of the question xD

so VN it is!

edit: also shame on anyone that did not wait for UTW!
Dingotrold
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark622 Posts
June 24 2012 12:30 GMT
#42845
Fate/Zero ^_^

+ Show Spoiler +
One of the best animes I've seen... The end was a little slow, a little heavy on the tragedy. Really makes me feel like you need to read the novels, I mean what happened to Zouken? He said they'll meet again then doesn't =(

Also, in the novels, do they have more elaborate flashbacks (Arturia in King Arthur environment = orgasmic aesthetics) and do they explain more about the powers and abilities? The nerd in me would love more elaborate explanations of what powers each servant has, and how they are explained in terms of their legend. That stuff is fucking killer.
Soft is the blade that is the heart || 万歳!
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
June 24 2012 12:36 GMT
#42846
On June 24 2012 21:30 Dingotrold wrote:
Fate/Zero ^_^

+ Show Spoiler +
One of the best animes I've seen... The end was a little slow, a little heavy on the tragedy. Really makes me feel like you need to read the novels, I mean what happened to Zouken? He said they'll meet again then doesn't =(

+ Show Spoiler +
What happened? Heaven's Feel happened. When he says they'll meet again, it doesn't mean he has to do it right away. The man is immortal, for all intents and purposes. He can afford to kill time.
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Dingotrold
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark622 Posts
June 24 2012 12:39 GMT
#42847
On June 24 2012 21:36 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 21:30 Dingotrold wrote:
Fate/Zero ^_^

+ Show Spoiler +
One of the best animes I've seen... The end was a little slow, a little heavy on the tragedy. Really makes me feel like you need to read the novels, I mean what happened to Zouken? He said they'll meet again then doesn't =(

+ Show Spoiler +
What happened? Heaven's Feel happened. When he says they'll meet again, it doesn't mean he has to do it right away. The man is immortal, for all intents and purposes. He can afford to kill time.


+ Show Spoiler +
Got it, what else could it be but something covered in the books? Ok so, which FATE novel is the best? Saw both animes, I need to see for myself wether or not it gets any better than Fate/Zero
Soft is the blade that is the heart || 万歳!
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-24 16:47:38
June 24 2012 16:44 GMT
#42848
On June 24 2012 21:39 Dingotrold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 21:36 Spazer wrote:
On June 24 2012 21:30 Dingotrold wrote:
Fate/Zero ^_^

+ Show Spoiler +
One of the best animes I've seen... The end was a little slow, a little heavy on the tragedy. Really makes me feel like you need to read the novels, I mean what happened to Zouken? He said they'll meet again then doesn't =(

+ Show Spoiler +
What happened? Heaven's Feel happened. When he says they'll meet again, it doesn't mean he has to do it right away. The man is immortal, for all intents and purposes. He can afford to kill time.


+ Show Spoiler +
Got it, what else could it be but something covered in the books? Ok so, which FATE novel is the best? Saw both animes, I need to see for myself wether or not it gets any better than Fate/Zero


Ok just so this gets cleared ..

Fate/Stay Night is a Visual Novel (VN). It has 3 routes. Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, and Heavens Feel. Its quite the time investment + Show Spoiler +
and the only VN I have played and probably will play. seriously anyway.


Heavens feel for the purposes of our discussions and as far as Fate Zero is concerned is canon.

Fate Zero, serves as a prequel to FSN and again is a prequel to Heavens Feel specifically. Fate Zero is originally a Light Novel. (LN).
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-24 19:32:23
June 24 2012 19:32 GMT
#42849
+ Show Spoiler [Accel World - 11] +
I didn't really think about this before, but that one guy's drill placement is...LOL.

"Strip her down and drag her out!" he says.
Ushio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada868 Posts
June 24 2012 19:44 GMT
#42850
On June 25 2012 01:44 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 21:39 Dingotrold wrote:
On June 24 2012 21:36 Spazer wrote:
On June 24 2012 21:30 Dingotrold wrote:
Fate/Zero ^_^

+ Show Spoiler +
One of the best animes I've seen... The end was a little slow, a little heavy on the tragedy. Really makes me feel like you need to read the novels, I mean what happened to Zouken? He said they'll meet again then doesn't =(

+ Show Spoiler +
What happened? Heaven's Feel happened. When he says they'll meet again, it doesn't mean he has to do it right away. The man is immortal, for all intents and purposes. He can afford to kill time.


+ Show Spoiler +
Got it, what else could it be but something covered in the books? Ok so, which FATE novel is the best? Saw both animes, I need to see for myself wether or not it gets any better than Fate/Zero


Ok just so this gets cleared ..

Fate/Stay Night is a Visual Novel (VN). It has 3 routes. Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, and Heavens Feel. Its quite the time investment + Show Spoiler +
and the only VN I have played and probably will play. seriously anyway.


Heavens feel for the purposes of our discussions and as far as Fate Zero is concerned is canon.

Fate Zero, serves as a prequel to FSN and again is a prequel to Heavens Feel specifically. Fate Zero is originally a Light Novel. (LN).


Yes you should go read the VN, it's very good
http://myanimelist.net/profile/billng
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
June 24 2012 19:55 GMT
#42851
On June 25 2012 04:32 Zeke50100 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Accel World - 11] +
I didn't really think about this before, but that one guy's drill placement is...LOL.

"Strip her down and drag her out!" he says.


+ Show Spoiler +
I noticed that the moment it went on screen. Lol'd quite hard.
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
June 24 2012 21:05 GMT
#42852
ohman only one episode left for mouretsu pirates... and now it gets so good TT

episode 25 reminds me of monkey island, i swear it needs a second season, i mean we are just getting started!!!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 24 2012 21:39 GMT
#42853
New Total Eclipse PV. Not much new shown, other than a brief part showing some BETA, and actually showing how Grappler classes walk:



Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse airs in about one week. Total Eclipse is a Side-Story to Muv-Luv Alternative. Additionally, TE's LN is not translated, and only a few chapters of the TE manga are tranlsated. So when its subbed, this will be the first time anyone here other than people like Uta get to actually know what happens.

I'm bored so I'm gonna explain Total Eclipse's setting here. The anime will surely explain the setting as well, but the question is just how much? Probably not as in-dept as Muv-Luv Unlimited. Which is probably fine, to get the general gist of whats going on. However, the setting in MLA is IMO one of the best things about it, and if you like things like history and maps in your Fiction, maybe you will enjoy it more after reading this.

So here it goes, includes screenshots from the games to aid explination:
+ Show Spoiler +
-1945:
WW2 ends. However, Germany was the one nuked, not Japan. Japan still surrenders, but comes out of the deal better than they did in our world. Japan's government is very different from our world's. They still have the Emperor, but the head-of-state is the Japanese Shogun. So they are still very "Japanese Empire-like". As such, they still have an actual military, and develop their own weapons. The Japanese are much more nationalistic in this world.

Kyoto was the capitol of Japan, although it changed to Tokyo due to BETA. America still kept a big presence in Japan, similarly to how they did in our world.

-1956:
The American Space Station 'Hope 2' is built in Orbit, and this facilitates the construction of more space-born assets.

-1958:
America launches the Viking 1 probe towards Mars. The Probe landed, took samples, and a picture. The Picture caught a glimpse of an Alien life form on the surface. Soon they lost contact with the probe.

This sent a frenzy through the scientific world, wanting to know whats up. Eventually it was found out that they inhabited the entire surface of Mars, and for a time it was believed they were native Martians. However...

-1967:
A Geological survey team from the permanent international moon base discovered similar life forms on the Moon. Then they lost contact with them. After this first contact, war with these aliens begin.

The aliens are called "BETA", which stands for "Beings of Extra Terrestrial origin and Adversary to the human race". And you gotta say that in really broken Engrish for it to sound like how they said it in the VN.

"The Moon was hell" apparently was a famous line from a general who fought up there. The War on the Moon soon would end, however, because...

-1973:
[image loading]
The BETA land on Earth, in the suburbs of Kashgar, in China. As you can see, the Chinese and Soviets try to fight the BETA alone. They use tactical nukes, and every (then) modern weapon at their disposal. For the first two weeks of Hostilities, the Chinese' aerial operations against the BETA are extremely effective. The BETA had no flying weapons of their own.

[image loading]
However, after 2 weeks, this all stopped. The BETA deployed two new species, referred to as "Laser Class".

Even the smaller of the two Laser Class BETA can accurately track flying objects at a height of 10,000 meters from 380km away, and will shoot down anything within a 30km radius. The bigger ones can do even better. The existence of Laser Class ends the era of Jets and Planes being Humanity's best weapons in war.

By the time Muv-Luv Alternative comes around, China no longer exists.

-1974:
A new BETA Landing happened, this time in Canada.

[image loading]
The United States gives zero fucks about this, and nukes the thing to oblivion right when it lands. The good news is they took out the hive! The other good news is they killed Canada too!

After analyzing the data from fighting the BETA on the Moon, and the fighting in Asia, it became clear that Humanity would have to re-think its way they fought war. In response to the BETA, America developed what is called a "Tactical Surface Fighter". These are the giant robots in the series. Almost ALL of the TSFs in Muv-Luv are based on real-world aircraft. The first one introduced was the F-4 Phantom. By the time Alternative roles around, different variations of the F-4 are still common, but there are other TSFs like the F-15 Eagle, F-22 Raptor, various Migs, and Japanese TSFs (which are original, since Japan doesn't produce its own aircraft in our world).

Operations against the BETA would consist of huge, combined arms operations against the BETA. The following is how a generic operation would work:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]

So basically, they start off with massive shelling, either from a nearby fleet of Battleships, or shelling from Orbit. Then Tanks and TSFs enter the battlefield, supported by Gunships, whose purpose is to hunt down and kill the Laser Class. The only time when Humanity has an edge on the BETA is when they have Air Superiority. After the Laser Class are brought down, this allows air support to come in, and take control of the surface of a Hive. Afterwards, its the jobs of TSFs to go into the Hive, and destroy its Core. Tanks and other units are unsuitable for doing so, because inside a Hive, BETA will literally come at you from every single direction, in front, behind, above, and below.

-1978:
In the European Theatre, the European Armies launched Operation Palaiologos, which was a huge Operation to stop the advance of the BETA across Eastern Europe. However, it was a massive failure, and Poland would fall to the BETA one year later.

After which, the "Oder-Neisse Absolute Defence Line" was constructed across East Germany. Was essentially a massive line of defensive fortifications. As of 1983, the Defense Line stood strong, but the increasing strength of BETA attacks, combined with the decreasing strength of Humanity, eventually causes the defense line to collapse.

-1998:
Japan was invaded by BETA. By this point in time, 60% of the Worlds Population is dead. The entire world's population is just over 1 Billion. With the invasion of Japan, the US pulls out of Japan, and leaves the Japanese to their fate. Kyoto falls, and Tokyo is made the new capitol.

Australia is revealed to be safe and untouched by the war, and was accepting refugees. The Soviet Union was pretty much fucked, but the Americans let them have part of Alaska, so they could continue the fight in Siberia.

-1999:
America comes back, and with other Asian troops, being an operation to take back the Japanese Mainland. By this time, there were two Hives in Japan, one at Sadogashima, and one at Yokohama. The Americans drop two experimental bombs on the Hive, known as "G-Bombs". Due to this, Humanity captured the first hive it has ever captured.

-2001:
"Present", when Alternative and Total Eclipse takes place. While Unlimited and Alternative take place in Japan, at a UN Army base, Total Eclipse takes place in Alaska, at a base where they are testing new TSF models. Total Eclipse is often called the "Top Gun" of the series.

Currently, this is the status of the Earth:
[image loading]
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
June 24 2012 21:45 GMT
#42854
[17:43] <wala> shit
[17:43] <wala> I did a backflip and fell of a cliff and almost died
[17:43] <Anelace> the moral of this story
[17:43] <Anelace> is to not backflip off cliffs
[17:43] <wala> I didn't know lol
[17:44] <rabidch> wala real smart
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
June 24 2012 21:57 GMT
#42855
I'm having increased interest in Total Eclipse and Muv-Luv in general after that post... do we have any idea of how many episodes TE will be?
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-24 22:00:49
June 24 2012 22:00 GMT
#42856
On June 25 2012 06:57 Maxie wrote:
I'm having increased interest in Total Eclipse and Muv-Luv in general after that post... do we have any idea of how many episodes TE will be?

No idea yet. I don't even know how many seasons would be desired to cover the content of the LN lol
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-24 22:03:15
June 24 2012 22:03 GMT
#42857
On June 25 2012 06:57 Maxie wrote:
I'm having increased interest in Total Eclipse and Muv-Luv in general after that post... do we have any idea of how many episodes TE will be?


Doesnt say. Will probably be 2 cours Im guessing. I hope it is atleast.
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
June 24 2012 22:09 GMT
#42858
I'm happy enough with those answers, seems like there is a lot of content to cover so it shouldn't end up being short.

Really looking forward to about one week from now, even though most of the summer anime seem to be in the "mildly entertaining" range... oh well, always fun with new stuff.
Dingotrold
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark622 Posts
June 24 2012 22:13 GMT
#42859
+ Show Spoiler +


On June 25 2012 06:39 Sentenal wrote:
New Total Eclipse PV. Not much new shown, other than a brief part showing some BETA, and actually showing how Grappler classes walk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQDaJyvnZ2M


Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse airs in about one week. Total Eclipse is a Side-Story to Muv-Luv Alternative. Additionally, TE's LN is not translated, and only a few chapters of the TE manga are tranlsated. So when its subbed, this will be the first time anyone here other than people like Uta get to actually know what happens.

I'm bored so I'm gonna explain Total Eclipse's setting here. The anime will surely explain the setting as well, but the question is just how much? Probably not as in-dept as Muv-Luv Unlimited. Which is probably fine, to get the general gist of whats going on. However, the setting in MLA is IMO one of the best things about it, and if you like things like history and maps in your Fiction, maybe you will enjoy it more after reading this.

So here it goes, includes screenshots from the games to aid explination:
+ Show Spoiler +
-1945:
WW2 ends. However, Germany was the one nuked, not Japan. Japan still surrenders, but comes out of the deal better than they did in our world. Japan's government is very different from our world's. They still have the Emperor, but the head-of-state is the Japanese Shogun. So they are still very "Japanese Empire-like". As such, they still have an actual military, and develop their own weapons. The Japanese are much more nationalistic in this world.

Kyoto was the capitol of Japan, although it changed to Tokyo due to BETA. America still kept a big presence in Japan, similarly to how they did in our world.

-1956:
The American Space Station 'Hope 2' is built in Orbit, and this facilitates the construction of more space-born assets.

-1958:
America launches the Viking 1 probe towards Mars. The Probe landed, took samples, and a picture. The Picture caught a glimpse of an Alien life form on the surface. Soon they lost contact with the probe.

This sent a frenzy through the scientific world, wanting to know whats up. Eventually it was found out that they inhabited the entire surface of Mars, and for a time it was believed they were native Martians. However...

-1967:
A Geological survey team from the permanent international moon base discovered similar life forms on the Moon. Then they lost contact with them. After this first contact, war with these aliens begin.

The aliens are called "BETA", which stands for "Beings of Extra Terrestrial origin and Adversary to the human race". And you gotta say that in really broken Engrish for it to sound like how they said it in the VN.

"The Moon was hell" apparently was a famous line from a general who fought up there. The War on the Moon soon would end, however, because...

-1973:
[image loading]
The BETA land on Earth, in the suburbs of Kashgar, in China. As you can see, the Chinese and Soviets try to fight the BETA alone. They use tactical nukes, and every (then) modern weapon at their disposal. For the first two weeks of Hostilities, the Chinese' aerial operations against the BETA are extremely effective. The BETA had no flying weapons of their own.

[image loading]
However, after 2 weeks, this all stopped. The BETA deployed two new species, referred to as "Laser Class".

Even the smaller of the two Laser Class BETA can accurately track flying objects at a height of 10,000 meters from 380km away, and will shoot down anything within a 30km radius. The bigger ones can do even better. The existence of Laser Class ends the era of Jets and Planes being Humanity's best weapons in war.

By the time Muv-Luv Alternative comes around, China no longer exists.

-1974:
A new BETA Landing happened, this time in Canada.

[image loading]
The United States gives zero fucks about this, and nukes the thing to oblivion right when it lands. The good news is they took out the hive! The other good news is they killed Canada too!

After analyzing the data from fighting the BETA on the Moon, and the fighting in Asia, it became clear that Humanity would have to re-think its way they fought war. In response to the BETA, America developed what is called a "Tactical Surface Fighter". These are the giant robots in the series. Almost ALL of the TSFs in Muv-Luv are based on real-world aircraft. The first one introduced was the F-4 Phantom. By the time Alternative roles around, different variations of the F-4 are still common, but there are other TSFs like the F-15 Eagle, F-22 Raptor, various Migs, and Japanese TSFs (which are original, since Japan doesn't produce its own aircraft in our world).

Operations against the BETA would consist of huge, combined arms operations against the BETA. The following is how a generic operation would work:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]

So basically, they start off with massive shelling, either from a nearby fleet of Battleships, or shelling from Orbit. Then Tanks and TSFs enter the battlefield, supported by Gunships, whose purpose is to hunt down and kill the Laser Class. The only time when Humanity has an edge on the BETA is when they have Air Superiority. After the Laser Class are brought down, this allows air support to come in, and take control of the surface of a Hive. Afterwards, its the jobs of TSFs to go into the Hive, and destroy its Core. Tanks and other units are unsuitable for doing so, because inside a Hive, BETA will literally come at you from every single direction, in front, behind, above, and below.

-1978:
In the European Theatre, the European Armies launched Operation Palaiologos, which was a huge Operation to stop the advance of the BETA across Eastern Europe. However, it was a massive failure, and Poland would fall to the BETA one year later.

After which, the "Oder-Neisse Absolute Defence Line" was constructed across East Germany. Was essentially a massive line of defensive fortifications. As of 1983, the Defense Line stood strong, but the increasing strength of BETA attacks, combined with the decreasing strength of Humanity, eventually causes the defense line to collapse.

-1998:
Japan was invaded by BETA. By this point in time, 60% of the Worlds Population is dead. The entire world's population is just over 1 Billion. With the invasion of Japan, the US pulls out of Japan, and leaves the Japanese to their fate. Kyoto falls, and Tokyo is made the new capitol.

Australia is revealed to be safe and untouched by the war, and was accepting refugees. The Soviet Union was pretty much fucked, but the Americans let them have part of Alaska, so they could continue the fight in Siberia.

-1999:
America comes back, and with other Asian troops, being an operation to take back the Japanese Mainland. By this time, there were two Hives in Japan, one at Sadogashima, and one at Yokohama. The Americans drop two experimental bombs on the Hive, known as "G-Bombs". Due to this, Humanity captured the first hive it has ever captured.

-2001:
"Present", when Alternative and Total Eclipse takes place. While Unlimited and Alternative take place in Japan, at a UN Army base, Total Eclipse takes place in Alaska, at a base where they are testing new TSF models. Total Eclipse is often called the "Top Gun" of the series.

Currently, this is the status of the Earth:
[image loading]



This a new mecha show? o.O

Code Geass

+ Show Spoiler +
Is the first season supposed to end at episode 25? Ended with two main guys pointing guns at eachother... Anyway, this series turned pretty boring, especially after been so spoiled with Fate Zero season 2
Soft is the blade that is the heart || 万歳!
Isator
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany57 Posts
June 24 2012 22:15 GMT
#42860
On June 25 2012 06:39 Sentenal wrote:
New Total Eclipse PV. Not much new shown, other than a brief part showing some BETA, and actually showing how Grappler classes walk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQDaJyvnZ2M


Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse airs in about one week. Total Eclipse is a Side-Story to Muv-Luv Alternative. Additionally, TE's LN is not translated, and only a few chapters of the TE manga are tranlsated. So when its subbed, this will be the first time anyone here other than people like Uta get to actually know what happens.

I'm bored so I'm gonna explain Total Eclipse's setting here. The anime will surely explain the setting as well, but the question is just how much? Probably not as in-dept as Muv-Luv Unlimited. Which is probably fine, to get the general gist of whats going on. However, the setting in MLA is IMO one of the best things about it, and if you like things like history and maps in your Fiction, maybe you will enjoy it more after reading this.

So here it goes, includes screenshots from the games to aid explination:
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-1945:
WW2 ends. However, Germany was the one nuked, not Japan. Japan still surrenders, but comes out of the deal better than they did in our world. Japan's government is very different from our world's. They still have the Emperor, but the head-of-state is the Japanese Shogun. So they are still very "Japanese Empire-like". As such, they still have an actual military, and develop their own weapons. The Japanese are much more nationalistic in this world.

Kyoto was the capitol of Japan, although it changed to Tokyo due to BETA. America still kept a big presence in Japan, similarly to how they did in our world.

-1956:
The American Space Station 'Hope 2' is built in Orbit, and this facilitates the construction of more space-born assets.

-1958:
America launches the Viking 1 probe towards Mars. The Probe landed, took samples, and a picture. The Picture caught a glimpse of an Alien life form on the surface. Soon they lost contact with the probe.

This sent a frenzy through the scientific world, wanting to know whats up. Eventually it was found out that they inhabited the entire surface of Mars, and for a time it was believed they were native Martians. However...

-1967:
A Geological survey team from the permanent international moon base discovered similar life forms on the Moon. Then they lost contact with them. After this first contact, war with these aliens begin.

The aliens are called "BETA", which stands for "Beings of Extra Terrestrial origin and Adversary to the human race". And you gotta say that in really broken Engrish for it to sound like how they said it in the VN.

"The Moon was hell" apparently was a famous line from a general who fought up there. The War on the Moon soon would end, however, because...

-1973:
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The BETA land on Earth, in the suburbs of Kashgar, in China. As you can see, the Chinese and Soviets try to fight the BETA alone. They use tactical nukes, and every (then) modern weapon at their disposal. For the first two weeks of Hostilities, the Chinese' aerial operations against the BETA are extremely effective. The BETA had no flying weapons of their own.

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However, after 2 weeks, this all stopped. The BETA deployed two new species, referred to as "Laser Class".

Even the smaller of the two Laser Class BETA can accurately track flying objects at a height of 10,000 meters from 380km away, and will shoot down anything within a 30km radius. The bigger ones can do even better. The existence of Laser Class ends the era of Jets and Planes being Humanity's best weapons in war.

By the time Muv-Luv Alternative comes around, China no longer exists.

-1974:
A new BETA Landing happened, this time in Canada.

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The United States gives zero fucks about this, and nukes the thing to oblivion right when it lands. The good news is they took out the hive! The other good news is they killed Canada too!

After analyzing the data from fighting the BETA on the Moon, and the fighting in Asia, it became clear that Humanity would have to re-think its way they fought war. In response to the BETA, America developed what is called a "Tactical Surface Fighter". These are the giant robots in the series. Almost ALL of the TSFs in Muv-Luv are based on real-world aircraft. The first one introduced was the F-4 Phantom. By the time Alternative roles around, different variations of the F-4 are still common, but there are other TSFs like the F-15 Eagle, F-22 Raptor, various Migs, and Japanese TSFs (which are original, since Japan doesn't produce its own aircraft in our world).

Operations against the BETA would consist of huge, combined arms operations against the BETA. The following is how a generic operation would work:
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So basically, they start off with massive shelling, either from a nearby fleet of Battleships, or shelling from Orbit. Then Tanks and TSFs enter the battlefield, supported by Gunships, whose purpose is to hunt down and kill the Laser Class. The only time when Humanity has an edge on the BETA is when they have Air Superiority. After the Laser Class are brought down, this allows air support to come in, and take control of the surface of a Hive. Afterwards, its the jobs of TSFs to go into the Hive, and destroy its Core. Tanks and other units are unsuitable for doing so, because inside a Hive, BETA will literally come at you from every single direction, in front, behind, above, and below.

-1978:
In the European Theatre, the European Armies launched Operation Palaiologos, which was a huge Operation to stop the advance of the BETA across Eastern Europe. However, it was a massive failure, and Poland would fall to the BETA one year later.

After which, the "Oder-Neisse Absolute Defence Line" was constructed across East Germany. Was essentially a massive line of defensive fortifications. As of 1983, the Defense Line stood strong, but the increasing strength of BETA attacks, combined with the decreasing strength of Humanity, eventually causes the defense line to collapse.

-1998:
Japan was invaded by BETA. By this point in time, 60% of the Worlds Population is dead. The entire world's population is just over 1 Billion. With the invasion of Japan, the US pulls out of Japan, and leaves the Japanese to their fate. Kyoto falls, and Tokyo is made the new capitol.

Australia is revealed to be safe and untouched by the war, and was accepting refugees. The Soviet Union was pretty much fucked, but the Americans let them have part of Alaska, so they could continue the fight in Siberia.

-1999:
America comes back, and with other Asian troops, being an operation to take back the Japanese Mainland. By this time, there were two Hives in Japan, one at Sadogashima, and one at Yokohama. The Americans drop two experimental bombs on the Hive, known as "G-Bombs". Due to this, Humanity captured the first hive it has ever captured.

-2001:
"Present", when Alternative and Total Eclipse takes place. While Unlimited and Alternative take place in Japan, at a UN Army base, Total Eclipse takes place in Alaska, at a base where they are testing new TSF models. Total Eclipse is often called the "Top Gun" of the series.

Currently, this is the status of the Earth:
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Thanks for this post mate this made me very interested in TE
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