EPTOn September 07 2010 07:52 Warri wrote:
well mihawk cant haki can he? So how would zoro learn it.
well mihawk cant haki can he? So how would zoro learn it.
Of course he can, other wise how would he be evenly matched with Shanks
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ClanOverdosed
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Of course he can, other wise how would he be evenly matched with Shanks | ||
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MiB
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semantics
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On September 07 2010 07:52 Warri wrote: well mihawk cant haki can he? So how would zoro learn it. If mihawk doesn't have haki how does he compete with Logia users, his sword isn't made of seastone so. I know it's never said he uses haki but one would think he does. | ||
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ClanOverdosed
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On September 07 2010 08:09 MiB wrote: Who do you think the crew will fight to show off their new strength? Blackbeard? I think they'll start off against the Kuma-Bots since thats what they lost to last time it would be fitting. (also the last scene of their ship was it being invaded by Kuma-Bots). | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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QuickStriker
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semantics
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On September 07 2010 13:47 JiYan wrote: perhaps brooke learns some sort of jigglypuff lullaby that does AOE damage? xD Doesn't he already have that | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On September 07 2010 08:09 MiB wrote: Who do you think the crew will fight to show off their new strength? Blackbeard? I think Blackbeard's crew will be one of the "final" bosses Luffy will encounter. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On September 07 2010 08:10 semantics wrote: If mihawk doesn't have haki how does he compete with Logia users, his sword isn't made of seastone so. I know it's never said he uses haki but one would think he does. You don't know what his sword is made of. His sword has been said to be the most powerful in the world, so therefore that might mean that his sword is made of Seastone, since Seastone is almost unbreakable/useful vs Devil Fruit users. As for Haki, I'm not sure if he can use it or not. I mean, he wasn't able to cut Diamond Jose, and if you believe Haki can negate Devil Fruit Powers, it should be able to negate his, right? Doesn't seem like he made use of it against Crocodile, but we didn't see much of their fight at all. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
On September 07 2010 18:45 Sentenal wrote: You don't know what his sword is made of. His sword has been said to be the most powerful in the world, so therefore that might mean that his sword is made of Seastone, since Seastone is almost unbreakable/useful vs Devil Fruit users. As for Haki, I'm not sure if he can use it or not. I mean, he wasn't able to cut Diamond Jose, and if you believe Haki can negate Devil Fruit Powers, it should be able to negate his, right? Doesn't seem like he made use of it against Crocodile, but we didn't see much of their fight at all. Haki dosent mean that swordsman can always hit df users, aokiji showed this when he was stabbed by whitebeard and did not get hurt. Also his sword is said to be the most powerful in the world because his abilities as a swordsman are better than anyone elses, he says himself "Without subtlety, a sword is but an iron bar". The Kokutou Yoru is a black sword aswell, seastone is marble like and I don't know of a sword thats been coloured after its been made. No way its a seastone sword. | ||
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semantics
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On September 07 2010 19:20 Scaramanga wrote: Haki dosent mean that swordsman can always hit df users, aokiji showed this when he was stabbed by whitebeard and did not get hurt. Also his sword is said to be the most powerful in the world because his abilities as a swordsman are better than anyone elses, he says himself "Without subtlety, a sword is but an iron bar". The Kokutou Yoru is a black sword aswell, seastone is marble like and I don't know of a sword thats been coloured after its been made. No way its a seastone sword. Yes he makes the points i was going to do to defend, his strong is one of the 12? best quality swords in the world but he is regarded as the best swordsmen. He sword is black and seastone has always been drawn white, and so far i've only seen haki used to touch Logia users who would phase away or w.e, not used in the manner to revert other devil fruit users to when they had no power. | ||
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ReketSomething
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Sentenal
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On September 08 2010 02:53 semantics wrote: Yes he makes the points i was going to do to defend, his strong is one of the 12? best quality swords in the world but he is regarded as the best swordsmen. He sword is black and seastone has always been drawn white, and so far i've only seen haki used to touch Logia users who would phase away or w.e, not used in the manner to revert other devil fruit users to when they had no power. Haki has been used against Luffy to let physical blows hit him like he wasn't rubber (Garp and Sentoumaru for example). And Luffy and Jozu are both Paramecia types, so what works on one, should work on the other. As for the point about Aokiji, we DO know that Haki lets people land blows against Logia users. Raleigh said as much in the most recent chapter. We just don't know why it didn't work on Aokiji in that battle. Also, Seastone hasn't always been drawn white. Smoker's Seastone stick isn't white, and those Seastone bars in Crocodile's prison that he used when he captured Luffy/Crew back in Alabasta were black. Plus all the cells in Impel Down were said to be made of Seastone (they were black), Seastone handcuff are black. There are tons of examples of black seastone. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
On September 07 2010 13:47 JiYan wrote: perhaps brooke learns some sort of jigglypuff lullaby that does AOE damage? xD WOW too much nerdy stuff in one sentence...the bad thing is..i understand everything | ||
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semantics
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On September 08 2010 03:10 Sentenal wrote: Haki has been used against Luffy to let physical blows hit him like he wasn't rubber (Garp and Sentoumaru for example). And Luffy and Jozu are both Paramecia types, so what works on one, should work on the other. As for the point about Aokiji, we DO know that Haki lets people land blows against Logia users. Raleigh said as much in the most recent chapter. We just don't know why it didn't work on Aokiji in that battle. Also, Seastone hasn't always been drawn white. Smoker's Seastone isn't white, and those Seastone bars in Crocodile's prison that he used when he captured Luffy/Crew back in Alabasta were black. Plus all the cells in Impel Down were said to be made of Seastone (they were black), Seastone handcuff are black. There are tons of examples of black seastone. Haha i'd go check that but without onemanga lol ionno where. I'll concede the seastone for now because the sword is embedded with seastone, although why would he need it when he can send a visible shockwave with a slash of a sword which i've always found hilarious and wonder what the explanation for that is. But haki on luffy ionno if it's been said it was getting hit like he wasn't rubber or just the fact that haki users hit really hard. | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
On September 08 2010 03:21 semantics wrote: Haha i'd go check that but without onemanga lol ionno where. Check at mangareader.net | ||
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semantics
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http://www.mangareader.net/103-2647-14/one-piece/chapter-540.html http://www.mangareader.net/103-41091-6/one-piece/chapter-566.html http://www.mangareader.net/103-43538-6/one-piece/chapter-569.html So hawk eye doesn't use a seastone sword. So imma go he has haki or something up his sleeve. Also aokiji didn't get stabbed because he avoided the blade all together from what i can tell he just morphs his body around the blade, then get pummeled by diamond.The part of devil fruit users is much harder to come by. As sometimes they avoid it sometimes they do not. | ||
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rei
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Sentenal
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On September 08 2010 03:49 semantics wrote: Just in the anime it's black, in the manga it's consistently white the only time i can think of where it might be black in the manga is a navy ship, but ionno if only certain navy ships are coated or all. http://www.mangareader.net/103-2647-14/one-piece/chapter-540.html http://www.mangareader.net/103-41091-6/one-piece/chapter-566.html http://www.mangareader.net/103-43538-6/one-piece/chapter-569.html So hawk eye doesn't use a seastone sword. So imma go he has haki or something up his sleeve. Also aokiji didn't get stabbed because he avoided the blade all together from what i can tell he just morphs his body around the blade, then get pummeled by diamond.The part of devil fruit users is much harder to come by. As sometimes they avoid it sometimes they do not. The anime (which is always in color), its black, or at least a dark metal. Are you seriously going to argue about Seastone being white, and the manga, which by its nature isn't even colored? How "white" something is drawn in the manga is based on lighting. Your pictures even show that, like Crocodile's cell being gray in one shot, or Ace's cuffs being gray. | ||
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semantics
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On September 08 2010 05:03 Sentenal wrote: The anime (which is always in color), its black, or at least a dark metal. Are you seriously going to argue about Seastone being white, and the manga, which by its nature isn't even colored? How "white" something is drawn in the manga is based on lighting. Your pictures even show that, like Crocodile's cell being gray in one shot, or Ace's cuffs being gray. anime is often disregarded in cannon. Likely some producer said make it look black because black is what you think of the old ball and chain http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&tbs=isch:1&sa=1&q=ball and chain&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= Also hawkeyes sword is nothing but black pure black, the often grey to white shading on the chains suggest seastone is likely thought of as a sky blue to oda. http://www.mangareader.net/103-2206-6/one-piece/chapter-99.html also smokers weapon is also white ish =p | ||
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