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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

If an episode or a chapter has already been officially released, then it is not necessary to post using spoilers.

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shark.
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
593 Posts
June 27 2013 20:47 GMT
#8181
Enel is fucking strong. He got hard countered. GG NO RE. You Can't argue power levels in shounen mangas (or most mangas for that matter) so no point trying. How powerful a character is depends on their relevance to the plot at any given time so power levels appear to fluctuate. I guess we were overdo character strength debate though.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
June 27 2013 21:21 GMT
#8182
lets stop this DF vs DF debate. lets just agree that plot wise, (exluding luffy and the straw hats) Blackbeard, Doflamingo, Dragon, Shanks, and Sengoku are the main players, the big sharks of the story that we know of so far. Im sure i am forgetting a couple of characters now since im caught up in the dressrosa arc, but im talking about pure world influence, characters that seem to play (or will play) a major role in the story.
you no take candle
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 21:29:38
June 27 2013 21:25 GMT
#8183
gorusei, big mum, kaidou

my last bit on the whole enel discussion:

Yes Lightning fruit is a very powerful Logia fruit but it was established from Oda that it's lightning strikes won't even k.o. guys like viper after 2 or 3 times let alone kill fodder like conis' dad or all the semi relevant skypia warriors.

Beefy guys like whitebeard shanks and all the admirals would probably feel a tickle similar to how DD didn't give a fuck about being Frozen by Kuzan.

and yes I'll only go by what Oda has said and established in HIS universe, so don't ever bring stupid arguments like Oda is wrong again. If he says Enel wouldn't rule the blue sea and there are many stronger guys than him, so be it.
spaZps
Profile Joined December 2012
52 Posts
June 27 2013 21:27 GMT
#8184
sengoku is at least fighting power wise no main player. The wohole manag ist about the youger generation overcoming the old one. Sengoku probaly still kicks luffys butt, but I think even akiuna( magmalogia admiral.) would even beat sengoku. He is just 2 old like whitebeard said haki depletes with losing the ambition. didnt Sengoku even lost his fleetadmiral postion. He just done
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
June 27 2013 21:30 GMT
#8185
On June 28 2013 06:27 spaZps wrote:
sengoku is at least fighting power wise no main player. The wohole manag ist about the youger generation overcoming the old one. Sengoku probaly still kicks luffys butt, but I think even akiuna( magmalogia admiral.) would even beat sengoku. He is just 2 old like whitebeard said haki depletes with losing the ambition. didnt Sengoku even lost his fleetadmiral postion. He just done
He lost his position based on retirement off the war not because he was too weak. But yeah he's old generation put him on pair with like the 4 emperors because he was the counterpart to Grap in tracking down and catching people like Rodgers. But yeah it's unlikely he would be the strongest.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
June 27 2013 21:37 GMT
#8186
On June 28 2013 06:27 spaZps wrote:
sengoku is at least fighting power wise no main player. The wohole manag ist about the youger generation overcoming the old one. Sengoku probaly still kicks luffys butt, but I think even akiuna( magmalogia admiral.) would even beat sengoku. He is just 2 old like whitebeard said haki depletes with losing the ambition. didnt Sengoku even lost his fleetadmiral postion. He just done

but one piece is not dragon ball, fighting power is not all that matters. i agree that sengoku might not be a major player, but one piece has been heading into far more "political" direction for quite a long time now. "power" is actually measured in influence over the world and the government, wich is why a character like dragon is so hyped and why you could argue that a character like doflamingo is more "powerful" than blackbeard (a character whom with the right level of haki could probably solo everyone other character in the series at the same time because of his sick DFs) because he is a better schemer and has more influence in the world.
you no take candle
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
June 27 2013 21:54 GMT
#8187
On June 28 2013 05:43 BurningSera wrote:
I think Kizaru is more about speed and dealing concentrated damage in a rather small AoE while Enel has showed that he has insane AoE/global-like attacks, plus he can power up mechanical devices. And dont forget those Mantras are basically hakis and enel is a master of those mantras so i wont be convinced that Kizaru/anyone > Enel unless Oda actually tell us lol.

BUT the dude is 'banished' to the moon now by Oda, so let's not talk about him until he is back to the OP world (even though he is technically still in OP universe).

Oda did tell us
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
June 27 2013 21:58 GMT
#8188
Enel build a ship that can go to the moon, in terms of technology other ppl were still riding wind powered boats. +1 for Enel vs the world
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
June 27 2013 22:12 GMT
#8189
Holy crap not this again. No one gives a shit about that dude seriously, just stfu and let the argument rest in piece xD

Revolutionist fan
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
June 27 2013 22:40 GMT
#8190
Guys friend sent me this possible foreshadowing since the CP9 arc that Dofla has been behind this all along D:

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2492-4/one-piece/chapter-385.html
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
June 27 2013 22:44 GMT
#8191
On June 28 2013 07:40 BurningSera wrote:
Guys friend sent me this possible foreshadowing since the CP9 arc that Dofla has been behind this all along D:

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2492-4/one-piece/chapter-385.html

link doesn't work for ppl living in usa
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
June 27 2013 22:45 GMT
#8192
On June 28 2013 07:44 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 07:40 BurningSera wrote:
Guys friend sent me this possible foreshadowing since the CP9 arc that Dofla has been behind this all along D:

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2492-4/one-piece/chapter-385.html

link doesn't work for ppl living in usa

http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2492-4/one-piece/chapter-385.html
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
June 27 2013 22:53 GMT
#8193
Luffy is the strongest right guiz? He's gonna be the pirate king!

+ Show Spoiler +
cuz he beat enel
+ Show Spoiler +
jk
Jaedong :3
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 22:58:17
June 27 2013 22:54 GMT
#8194
dunno what's "jk" about it; it will be true at some point :D

On June 28 2013 06:58 rei wrote:
Enel build a ship that can go to the moon, in terms of technology other ppl were still riding wind powered boats. +1 for Enel vs the world


which reminds me that his "global aoe" skills everyone keeps talking about is directly related to his ship producing those clouds. so if a smart opponent just destroys his ship and gets rid of his clouds ( evne luffy could do this) his supposed "range advantage" is void.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
June 27 2013 23:01 GMT
#8195
On June 28 2013 07:45 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 07:44 rei wrote:
On June 28 2013 07:40 BurningSera wrote:
Guys friend sent me this possible foreshadowing since the CP9 arc that Dofla has been behind this all along D:

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2492-4/one-piece/chapter-385.html

link doesn't work for ppl living in usa

http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2492-4/one-piece/chapter-385.html

LODA IS RIGHT
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
June 27 2013 23:17 GMT
#8196
On June 28 2013 08:01 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 07:45 Mensol wrote:
On June 28 2013 07:44 rei wrote:
On June 28 2013 07:40 BurningSera wrote:
Guys friend sent me this possible foreshadowing since the CP9 arc that Dofla has been behind this all along D:

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2492-4/one-piece/chapter-385.html

link doesn't work for ppl living in usa

http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2492-4/one-piece/chapter-385.html

LODA IS RIGHT

LODA MIGHT BE RIGHT BUT ODA IS WRONG!
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
June 27 2013 23:32 GMT
#8197
On June 28 2013 07:54 AsnSensation wrote:
dunno what's "jk" about it; it will be true at some point :D

Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 06:58 rei wrote:
Enel build a ship that can go to the moon, in terms of technology other ppl were still riding wind powered boats. +1 for Enel vs the world


which reminds me that his "global aoe" skills everyone keeps talking about is directly related to his ship producing those clouds. so if a smart opponent just destroys his ship and gets rid of his clouds ( evne luffy could do this) his supposed "range advantage" is void.


he's the only one that can park in orbit of the planet, how do anyone destroy his ship? not to mention they can't even locate his ship, space is vast.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
betaflame
Profile Joined November 2010
175 Posts
June 27 2013 23:40 GMT
#8198
I think door-door man is the strongest guy in OP. He can essentially make you blind by moving your eyes and even with strong observation haki, he can make your fists/kicks ineffective by turning them into doors!!
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 28 2013 01:34 GMT
#8199
Wow, that would actually be pretty epic. If you can turn movements into doors.
What if he turned your mouth into a door so everything you eat gets somewhere else entirely? Everyone would starve.

I think Oda is wrong, but Hitler is right. It's stupid opinion time, isn't it?
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
OskO
Profile Joined February 2011
Argentina369 Posts
June 28 2013 01:40 GMT
#8200
On June 28 2013 07:40 BurningSera wrote:
Guys friend sent me this possible foreshadowing since the CP9 arc that Dofla has been behind this all along D:

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2492-4/one-piece/chapter-385.html


Not likely since the Smiles have a "circles pattern" instead of the spiral one from real akuma no mi.
Those two seem legit.-
Though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.
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