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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
June 27 2013 18:32 GMT
#8161
On June 28 2013 03:27 Forikorder wrote:
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On June 28 2013 03:19 Mensol wrote:
On June 28 2013 03:11 Forikorder wrote:
On June 28 2013 03:10 Mensol wrote:
On June 28 2013 02:51 Forikorder wrote:
if anything Kizaru would be the strongest since he can move faster then Enel (light > lightning) attack faster and have the same range

yet he still had to surrender when shanks first mate got the jump on him

except kizaru cant nuke people from miles away.

"Enel would NOT rule it." I think Oda meant this for characters we havent seen yet. But for now Enel is the strongest OP character we've ever seen in whole series.

why cant he? do you think light can travel less distance then lightning? Enels range could be copied by any Logia user

He cant hear people like Enel.

Enel was able to nuke people from other side of skypiea because he was hearing their voices with his devil fruit.

sight is all about light which Kizaru controls so hed be able to see people on the other side of Skypiea

but what if they're always smiling and never looking suspicious ???
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 27 2013 18:40 GMT
#8162
On June 27 2013 22:50 spaZps wrote:
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On June 27 2013 21:13 Saumure wrote:
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On June 27 2013 21:05 Elerris wrote:
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On June 27 2013 20:58 semantics wrote:
On June 27 2013 20:44 Elerris wrote:
I'm pretty sure Oda said in multiple interviews that making Shanks lose his arm was one of his greatest regrets, and that it didn't affect his strength at all.

But doesn't Mihawk avoid him now that he lost his arm something about being disappointed or w.e. Left the impression that Mihawk doesn't want to duel with him because he got weaker.


I was doing a bit a reading before and people said that the arm shanks lost was his main sword arm, and that Mihawk didn't want to duel someone who he felt was handicapped.

Either way i'm curious as to what people think makes Shanks so strong, I mean take Whitebeard for example, huge, strong and had a pretty sick DF. What about Shanks? as far as we know he has no DF, only that his conquerors haki is crazy strong, but that wouldn't work on strong willed opponents. Maybe his Busoshoku Haki is so strong that he is near impenetrable?



Well, we know that Shanks has been fighting a lot with Hawkeye, so I assume he is just one badass swordsman with good haki


they probaly had just swordfights and didnt used haki or merely just the movement reading haki. Not upping the strength of their swords. Could be wrong. we just dont know how the true strength of mihawk. He seems to lack the ambition to be y yonkou or he is just not strong enough.


It's not that he's not strong enough, it's that he doesn't care. The only thing he cares about is sword fighting. He doesn't care about wealth, power, titles or any of that shit. He only cares about fighting with his sword. The only time he didn't seem bored during the Marineford war was when Vista came to duel him; because Vista is an excellent swordsman. He became Schibukai so that the World Government wouldn't "mind" him dueling anyone he wanted, ie he could do whatever he wanted without being bothered. He does just that. Also his title would allow him to potentially attract strong opponents to fight. Because that's all he cares about. Fighting with his sword. The rest is irrevelant to him. This also describes Zoro, which is why Mihawk didn't kill Zoro and said that he would wait for Zoro at his peak. It's definitely lack of ambition, he doesn't care about being Yonko. In terms of strength, I think very, very few could actually rival him.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
June 27 2013 18:40 GMT
#8163
I don't wanna have to unsubscribe from this thread so I suggest you all stop this silly discussion.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
June 27 2013 18:40 GMT
#8164
On June 28 2013 03:27 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 03:19 Mensol wrote:
On June 28 2013 03:11 Forikorder wrote:
On June 28 2013 03:10 Mensol wrote:
On June 28 2013 02:51 Forikorder wrote:
if anything Kizaru would be the strongest since he can move faster then Enel (light > lightning) attack faster and have the same range

yet he still had to surrender when shanks first mate got the jump on him

except kizaru cant nuke people from miles away.

"Enel would NOT rule it." I think Oda meant this for characters we havent seen yet. But for now Enel is the strongest OP character we've ever seen in whole series.

why cant he? do you think light can travel less distance then lightning? Enels range could be copied by any Logia user

He cant hear people like Enel.

Enel was able to nuke people from other side of skypiea because he was hearing their voices with his devil fruit.

sight is all about light which Kizaru controls so hed be able to see people on the other side of Skypiea

except he never done that in series while Enel showed his power.

tell me again when kizaru use this power so we can discuss.
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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
June 27 2013 18:41 GMT
#8165
Any other logia/haki user could kill enel so stop discussion please.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 18:42:55
June 27 2013 18:42 GMT
#8166
On June 28 2013 03:40 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 03:27 Forikorder wrote:
On June 28 2013 03:19 Mensol wrote:
On June 28 2013 03:11 Forikorder wrote:
On June 28 2013 03:10 Mensol wrote:
On June 28 2013 02:51 Forikorder wrote:
if anything Kizaru would be the strongest since he can move faster then Enel (light > lightning) attack faster and have the same range

yet he still had to surrender when shanks first mate got the jump on him

except kizaru cant nuke people from miles away.

"Enel would NOT rule it." I think Oda meant this for characters we havent seen yet. But for now Enel is the strongest OP character we've ever seen in whole series.

why cant he? do you think light can travel less distance then lightning? Enels range could be copied by any Logia user

He cant hear people like Enel.

Enel was able to nuke people from other side of skypiea because he was hearing their voices with his devil fruit.

sight is all about light which Kizaru controls so hed be able to see people on the other side of Skypiea

except he never done that in series while Enel showed his power.

tell me again when kizaru use this power so we can discuss.

he doesnt use it becuase super long range attacks are super weak, Enel failed to kill a regular citizen (the father dude) at super long range
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
June 27 2013 18:43 GMT
#8167
Why can't we just agree that Enel's ability is among the most powerful DF powers, which is a fact. However when we saw Enel he didn't have the Haki to be counted among the strongest characters in the world of One Piece.

Who gives a shit about anything else.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 18:45:25
June 27 2013 18:44 GMT
#8168
On June 28 2013 03:42 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 03:40 Mensol wrote:
On June 28 2013 03:27 Forikorder wrote:
On June 28 2013 03:19 Mensol wrote:
On June 28 2013 03:11 Forikorder wrote:
On June 28 2013 03:10 Mensol wrote:
On June 28 2013 02:51 Forikorder wrote:
if anything Kizaru would be the strongest since he can move faster then Enel (light > lightning) attack faster and have the same range

yet he still had to surrender when shanks first mate got the jump on him

except kizaru cant nuke people from miles away.

"Enel would NOT rule it." I think Oda meant this for characters we havent seen yet. But for now Enel is the strongest OP character we've ever seen in whole series.

why cant he? do you think light can travel less distance then lightning? Enels range could be copied by any Logia user

He cant hear people like Enel.

Enel was able to nuke people from other side of skypiea because he was hearing their voices with his devil fruit.

sight is all about light which Kizaru controls so hed be able to see people on the other side of Skypiea

except he never done that in series while Enel showed his power.

tell me again when kizaru use this power so we can discuss.

he doesnt use it becuase super long range attacks are super weak, Enel failed to kill a regular citizen (the father dude) at super long range


He doesn't use it because you're making things up that were never in the manga, basing your argument on pure speculation instead.

Sorry but the double post had to be made. Now stop the fucking Enel discussion, it's retarded as hell.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
June 27 2013 19:22 GMT
#8169
Like I suggested before. This should be a banned topic in this thread. Like certain things in the LoL GD and certain threads that can't be started.
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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
June 27 2013 19:26 GMT
#8170
No one is arguing for enel's side this time, every post is saying he isn't and stop bringing the enel discussion up.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
June 27 2013 19:38 GMT
#8171
One more thing about Kizaru.. he does have long range atacks!

"laser beams" that shoot straight and at the speed of light and it could be argued that he can shoot tons of it since he is Logia.

But since Kizaru is Admiral he will have godlike Haki.. Enel would loose to any Admiral+Yonkous+some other op caracters like Luffy..
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Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2279 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 19:47:26
June 27 2013 19:47 GMT
#8172
Good god why this thread is becoming shitty once again.
Ban the present and futur Enel discussion already.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
June 27 2013 19:49 GMT
#8173
On June 28 2013 02:49 Sentenal wrote:
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On February 01 2013 01:10 rei wrote:
On January 31 2013 23:19 Sentenal wrote:
On January 31 2013 22:28 DODswe4 wrote:
On January 31 2013 22:23 Sentenal wrote:
On January 31 2013 22:21 DODswe4 wrote:
On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something.


its kind of his counter becuse he fights with hes body (wich sanji does as well but anyway), its not really a hard counter but its alot easier to fight luffy with something sharp

Its alot easier to fight anyone with something sharp


not really, enel for instance you would be better off with a rubber baseball bat. not to talk about guns should be better then swords in general (not always in mangas thou)

Are you being serious? In case you are being serious, which would be better against Enel: something blunt that doesn't conduct electricity or something sharp that doesn't conduct electricity?

Obviously it doesn't matter if it's brunt or sharp or if it's a conductor or not, nothing can even come close to Enel with his extended mantra range. He would nuke dabizzle out of you before you come within 10mile to get a sight on him physically. Not to mention he can move at speed of lightning, how are you ganna chase him down while trying to dodge the thunderbolt that shoots down at you at speed of lightning with 10godrillion volts? He's the most broken character Oda ever created, his only undoing was his arrogance. And now that he has Maxim the space ship that can travel to the moon which is also a weapon of mass destruction that is capable of destroying the entirety of sky island, he is truly a god among men, and the most overpower weapon in one piece universe. Hell if he really wants, he can park that Maxim in orbit and send down orbital lightning strikes down to earth, there is no one else capable of space travel, wtf are they ganna do? Haki haki and more haki? no amount of haki can even touch Enel if he stays in orbit.

No, you are wrong. See, all of this is based on the idea that "Oda is right" about his own manga. You say that nothing can even come close to Enel with his extended mantra range. Source of this believe? Oda being correct. And he isn't. You say Enel can move at the speed of lightning? Source of this believe? Oda being correct. And he isn't. Maxim is a space ship? Based on Oda again? Again, BS. Can create orbital lightning strikes down to Earth? Again, going off what Oda is saying? Complete bullshit, there is no basis on someone who is wrong about his own work.

Therefore, whether "Oda is right" or "Oda is wrong", Enel is not the strongest. Regardless. End discussion.


yes feed me keep looking through the old post that's 6 months back and quote me, a lot of effort you spent there looking through and typing it up. yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaahahahahahahaha
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 27 2013 19:55 GMT
#8174
On June 28 2013 04:47 Lysteria wrote:
Good god why this thread is becoming shitty once again.
Ban the present and futur Enel discussion already.


Yeah it's interesting that it's such an intense discussion in this thread. xD
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mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
June 27 2013 20:01 GMT
#8175
Enel for next mugiwara & romance with Sanji, calling it
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
June 27 2013 20:24 GMT
#8176
Seems I need to take a break from this Enel thread until next week when the chapter comes out.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
June 27 2013 20:29 GMT
#8177
10 new pages arguing about Enel ... really guys ??
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 20:32:37
June 27 2013 20:29 GMT
#8178
Enel was fairly weak, his fruit is not.

€: Kizaru would 1 hit Enel, if he was to fight the enel that lost to luffy 2 years ago (he fight have changed and appear again, who knows). That doesnt mean Enel's Fruit is weaker - its probably stronger
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
June 27 2013 20:38 GMT
#8179
The most hillarious thing is im completely 100% behind the manga, so im currently watching, yes you guessed it, the skypeia arc. Figured checking this thread wouldnt have immediate spoilers..Enel? Eneru? God fucking damn it.

Unless im completely wrong and the anime didnt change Enel to Eneru, but i saw them talking about Wiper and reject dials so im pretty sure its a spoil :3
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 20:50:55
June 27 2013 20:43 GMT
#8180
I think Kizaru is more about speed and dealing concentrated damage in a rather small AoE while Enel has showed that he has insane AoE/global-like attacks, plus he can power up mechanical devices. And dont forget those Mantras are basically hakis and enel is a master of those mantras so i wont be convinced that Kizaru/anyone > Enel unless Oda actually tell us lol.

BUT the dude is 'banished' to the moon now by Oda, so let's not talk about him until he is back to the OP world (even though he is technically still in OP universe).
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