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On March 07 2013 18:19 Sickkiee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 16:58 Frost wrote:
Please read mangarule's translation for one of the most accurate translations for the manga. Mangastream and Mangapanda translations are ass. Stop letting those translations mess with your understanding of the manga. Anyways, for those of you who are still doubting, the blind swordsman is Fujitora for two reasons: 1. He is based on a famous actor just like the other admirals. 2. Gravity is associated with color purple in Japan (Fujitora=purple tiger). If these two reasons are not enough to convince you, then I do not know what to say. Don't think people are going to wait 2-3 weeks for chapters. If you want some accurate discussions go to arlong park or w/e it's called or some Japanese discussion boards for OP. They are fairly accurate in their discussions since they usually have native speakers or fluent speakers there. Aimed at everyone else not Frost!
Mangarule releases theirs 2 days after release.
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yea, those translations made some stuff more clear. What I wanted to say was gravity only does not make a hole appear, material just don't vanish.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/159945/one-piece_ch701_by_mangarule/18
If you take a closer look at the drawing, it looks like things are being pulled towards the hole. But everything that is on top of it seems to be evenly pressured in a vertical direction down, similar to the how gas (air) flow in a closed cylindrical space between two areas with different pressure.
If he can control gravity on an area at will, those gangsters would have ended up lying on the floor. Gravity can be simply put an attraction force between two objects point mass. And if you look closer at the area where the wooden planks are vertically broken, it doesn't seems to be a pithole they fell down to because it seems more like a space with no walls and no bottom. His words and the looks of it makes me think that they are not in the same location anymore.
So if I would guess his ability seems closer to pressure + teleportation if that make sense. More similar to Bluenos power rather then Blackbeard. Blueno could open a surface to other dimension. This guy is blind so he can't create an opening on surfaces at will. So I think the startingpoint is where the top of his woodensword where last placed when his holding/feeling it. And when he is unsheathing his sword it triggers the opening to another dimension. The objects (people, air) standing on top of the opening are been push through (like opening a heavy door, in this case pressured) and he is actually sending them somewhere. How far he has to unsheat to open depends on the radius of the opening he wants to make and how effective he can use his/the power (looks like it is his sword that has the power). When fully unsheated he goes into Bankai!
Also the blind guy and Luffy is standing on top of where the hole appeared when the fight starts right? I don't think he would have used that move if he wasn't sure that Luffy could move away in time => he seems to have a feeling for who Luffy is. Very unlike behaviour for an admiral if that is the case.
Or, he is actually an admiral and is acting all defensless and naiv so Luffy would drop his guard but he is actually trying to send Luffy with them. Instead he got surprised that Luffy was able to get away in time which can be seen in the next frame where he is "..." which would make him alot more badass as an admiral now that I think about it.
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On March 07 2013 21:01 champinjonen wrote:
Bankai!
No
That his powers lie in his sword is believable though, as he is pretty surely based on Zatoichi the blind swordsman.
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he doesn't have to see because he can use observation haki, but he's not as good as Roger at it because he can't sense voice of all things as evidences he can't see if it's black or white the ball landed on.
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This old man is suspicious. Why the hell is he playing Roulette when he can't sense them, I guess it around 50% that he is Fujitora though, but he would not ask luffy to step aside. The current state is really confusing and I hope the next chapter will clear it up with a proper introduction from Oda.
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Where can I find the chapters in japanese?
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On March 07 2013 23:34 rei wrote:
he doesn't have to see because he can use observation haki, but he's not as good as Roger at it because he can't sense voice of all things as evidences he can't see if it's black or white the ball landed on.
That is assuming that you believe that he couldn't tell, and wasn't playing the pirates against him for some other purpose. I must say I never assumed that he didn't really know the right answer, I assumed he knew he was being "tricked" and was going along with it for some as yet unknown reason. (If he didn't know, how come he was right every time.)
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On March 07 2013 23:46 RiZu wrote:
This old man is suspicious. Why the hell is he playing Roulette when he can't sense them, I guess it around 50% that he is Fujitora though, but he would not ask luffy to step aside. The current state is really confusing and I hope the next chapter will clear it up with a proper introduction from Oda.
maybe because he is an idiot, like 90% of the strong guys in OP? 
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On March 07 2013 15:09 OskO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 15:00 Forikorder wrote:On March 07 2013 14:51 Vanka wrote:
in regards to momo flying, way back when they introduced pell in the alabasta arc, they said there were only 5 fruits that gave flying powers. Do we know them all now?
Pell's falcon fruit, shiki's gravity fruit (character is canon even if the movie isn't), buffalo's spinning fruit, marco's phoenix fruit, and now momo's? I guess momo's is an artificial one, but if it's a copy of an original one...
(the wiki says there's an eagle fruit too, but a non-canon anime only one) I think he meant 5 fruits that give the person wings not 5 fruits that can be used to allow you to fly technically every logia can fly Also, I may be wrong, but I think I remember Lafitte showing some wings somewhere... I'm not sure if they are akuma no mi based, tho.
Here you go:
![[image loading]](http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100728011855/onepiece/images/1/19/Angel_Feet.PNG)
Whether or not it's Devil Fruit based is unknown at this point, afaik.
One interesting thing no one seemed to consider, what if this is a copy of the Darkness Fruit? :O
Although I know there's a small chance and they seem to behave differently I think it would be a great twist.
EDIT: Since the flying powers were in quotation marks in the translation it might be just actual wings it is referring to? Or maybe it was just out of their knowledge at the time what other kind of Fruits some people in the New World had. It's not like there's a database or anything, right?
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Doflamingo can fly too, his nick name is the sky demon. I think the thing about there are only 5 DF that can fly was just ignorance of that character who said it.
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On March 08 2013 01:55 Dattish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:46 RiZu wrote:
This old man is suspicious. Why the hell is he playing Roulette when he can't sense them, I guess it around 50% that he is Fujitora though, but he would not ask luffy to step aside. The current state is really confusing and I hope the next chapter will clear it up with a proper introduction from Oda. Why the hell would an admiral ride a bike in the middle on the ocean?
to get to the other side
quite frankly i think it has to be the marine guy, the arcs far enough along that introdcuing new completely unrelated characters would be pointless and it cant be the Samurai guy or Kinemon would reconize him and i doubt its doflas man or else they wouldnt have the balls to swindle him
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On March 07 2013 21:01 champinjonen wrote:yea, those translations made some stuff more clear. What I wanted to say was gravity only does not make a hole appear, material just don't vanish. http://www.batoto.net/read/_/159945/one-piece_ch701_by_mangarule/18If you take a closer look at the drawing, it looks like things are being pulled towards the hole. But everything that is on top of it seems to be evenly pressured in a vertical direction down, similar to the how gas (air) flow in a closed cylindrical space between two areas with different pressure. If he can control gravity on an area at will, those gangsters would have ended up lying on the floor. Gravity can be simply put an attraction force between two objects point mass. And if you look closer at the area where the wooden planks are vertically broken, it doesn't seems to be a pithole they fell down to because it seems more like a space with no walls and no bottom. His words and the looks of it makes me think that they are not in the same location anymore. So if I would guess his ability seems closer to pressure + teleportation if that make sense. More similar to Bluenos power rather then Blackbeard. Blueno could open a surface to other dimension. This guy is blind so he can't create an opening on surfaces at will. So I think the startingpoint is where the top of his woodensword where last placed when his holding/feeling it. And when he is unsheathing his sword it triggers the opening to another dimension. The objects (people, air) standing on top of the opening are been push through (like opening a heavy door, in this case pressured) and he is actually sending them somewhere. How far he has to unsheat to open depends on the radius of the opening he wants to make and how effective he can use his/the power (looks like it is his sword that has the power). When fully unsheated he goes into Bankai! Also the blind guy and Luffy is standing on top of where the hole appeared when the fight starts right? I don't think he would have used that move if he wasn't sure that Luffy could move away in time => he seems to have a feeling for who Luffy is. Very unlike behaviour for an admiral if that is the case. Or, he is actually an admiral and is acting all defensless and naiv so Luffy would drop his guard but he is actually trying to send Luffy with them. Instead he got surprised that Luffy was able to get away in time which can be seen in the next frame where he is "..." which would make him alot more badass as an admiral now that I think about it.
I was also thinking that. Thanks
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Fenrax
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I didnt like the recent chapters all that much for once. I am getting really sick of Luffy. His stupidity is way beyond realistic and also way past the point of "funny". Recently he was not acting wild and careless but just flat out dumb, like he was severely mentally handicapped.
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On March 08 2013 07:20 Fenrax wrote:
I didnt like the recent chapters all that much for once. I am getting really sick of Luffy. His stupidity is way beyond realistic and also way past the point of "funny". Recently he was not acting wild and careless but just flat out dumb, like he was severely mentally handicapped.
I feel the same way about Luffy. Everytime he tells people hes the one who is going to be the Pirate King reminds me of when Naruto would go around telling people he was going to be Hokage. It is really annoying and uncool. Also I hate that he went from a tall lanky guy to a midget somehow.
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Hey may be there after all, but I doubt he will be relevant to the story.
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On March 08 2013 07:25 GettingIt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 07:20 Fenrax wrote:
I didnt like the recent chapters all that much for once. I am getting really sick of Luffy. His stupidity is way beyond realistic and also way past the point of "funny". Recently he was not acting wild and careless but just flat out dumb, like he was severely mentally handicapped. I feel the same way about Luffy. Everytime he tells people hes the one who is going to be the Pirate King reminds me of when Naruto would go around telling people he was going to be Hokage. It is really annoying and uncool. Also I hate that he went from a tall lanky guy to a midget somehow.
luffy was never tall oO wtf?
the opponents he faces are simply huge.
in my opinion, his height hasnt changed at all
On March 08 2013 00:40 rei wrote:
Doflamingo can fly too, his nick name is the sky demon. I think the thing about there are only 5 DF that can fly was just ignorance of that character who said it.
technically, doflamingo doesnt "fly" - he couldnt move like that without those strains in the sky which he somehow created himself.
Also, every zoan of flying anymals gives u the ability to fly, where does it say that there is only 5 DFs that give u the ability to fly?
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On March 07 2013 21:01 champinjonen wrote:yea, those translations made some stuff more clear. What I wanted to say was gravity only does not make a hole appear, material just don't vanish. http://www.batoto.net/read/_/159945/one-piece_ch701_by_mangarule/18If you take a closer look at the drawing, it looks like things are being pulled towards the hole. But everything that is on top of it seems to be evenly pressured in a vertical direction down, similar to the how gas (air) flow in a closed cylindrical space between two areas with different pressure. If he can control gravity on an area at will, those gangsters would have ended up lying on the floor. Gravity can be simply put an attraction force between two objects point mass. And if you look closer at the area where the wooden planks are vertically broken, it doesn't seems to be a pithole they fell down to because it seems more like a space with no walls and no bottom. His words and the looks of it makes me think that they are not in the same location anymore. So if I would guess his ability seems closer to pressure + teleportation if that make sense. More similar to Bluenos power rather then Blackbeard. Blueno could open a surface to other dimension. This guy is blind so he can't create an opening on surfaces at will. So I think the startingpoint is where the top of his woodensword where last placed when his holding/feeling it. And when he is unsheathing his sword it triggers the opening to another dimension. The objects (people, air) standing on top of the opening are been push through (like opening a heavy door, in this case pressured) and he is actually sending them somewhere. How far he has to unsheat to open depends on the radius of the opening he wants to make and how effective he can use his/the power (looks like it is his sword that has the power). When fully unsheated he goes into Bankai! Also the blind guy and Luffy is standing on top of where the hole appeared when the fight starts right? I don't think he would have used that move if he wasn't sure that Luffy could move away in time => he seems to have a feeling for who Luffy is. Very unlike behaviour for an admiral if that is the case. Or, he is actually an admiral and is acting all defensless and naiv so Luffy would drop his guard but he is actually trying to send Luffy with them. Instead he got surprised that Luffy was able to get away in time which can be seen in the next frame where he is "..." which would make him alot more badass as an admiral now that I think about it.
I'm not sure if it's worth debating about the gravity/pressure physics from One Piece... as far as we know, people with Akuma No Mi powers may end up using them in pretty unexpected/creative (or ilogical) ways. Either the Gravity or Pressure theory can be spot on, or it could even be the "Big ass hole in the ground that sucks stuff into it no mi" we are seeing there.
Also he can be Fujitora or the not-yet-introduced Shichibukai, my bet is on the 1st one, as his clothing is not being disclosed yet.
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On March 08 2013 08:03 GettingIt wrote:Hey may be there after all, but I doubt he will be relevant to the story.
i dunno Franky specifically said how he used Wapolmetal for his mecha so Oda might have been making us remember Wapol to reintroduce him to the story
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