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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32742 Posts
November 02 2018 16:16 GMT
#29501
If Morgans was there he'd be issuing retractions about the whole Fifth Emperor thing. Kind of satisfied that Luffy's headstrong attitude got punished hard to show the gulf of power between him and Kaidou. Luffy's still got a long ways to go until he can solo an Emperor or an Admiral.

At the least Akainu is a match for an Emperor (though if we are pedantic, he is a fleet admiral). Oda did say if he were to embark on his own One Piece journey he would find it in a year.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8695 Posts
November 02 2018 18:16 GMT
#29502
On November 03 2018 00:55 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 23:00 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 02 2018 21:18 Shinokuki wrote:
On November 02 2018 19:54 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 02 2018 19:53 Mensol wrote:
Where are the people who thought that Admirals were as strong as Yonkou? hahaha

pretty sure nobody thought that lol.


Many reasonable people thin that. Luffy still hasn’t fought admiral seriously and an admiral never seriously tried to fight him up to date. Kaido would high diff akainu though.

akainu was gonna get dumpstered by whitebeard.
shanks doesnt give a shit about whitebeard. kaidou doesnt give a shit about shanks nor whitebeard. big mom clearly holds her own as well so i dont see how people can argue that a single admiral is on par with the yonkou


Akainu got up a very soon and began to take on entire wb crew and then made bb crew flee few days later. Wb sneak attacked him from behind and caught akainu off guard two times. Akainu smashes wb head in but was surprised that wb was able to tank that and wb was able to attack with one of his strongest and akainu still wasn’t seriously injured. Luffy has to fight admirals anyway especially one of them in future why can’t they be strong as other Yonkos not named kaido?

well the crew for all yonkou are pretty much fodder except for select individuals, so a yonkou vs admiral discussion would probably have to be in a pure 1v1 scenario.
even then, akainu wasnt able to take down an old severely ill whitebeard without whitebeard being handicapped severely during the fight anyway. i dont think theres any question that a healthier whitebeard would probably singlehandedly win the war. i mean just look at the state of marineford after the war lol.
also kaidou was pissed that the only guy that can apparently kill him died first. if kaidou thinks that of whitebeard and weve come to the conclusion that kaidou would probably stomp an admiral, there isnt much more to discuss
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
November 02 2018 18:33 GMT
#29503
On November 02 2018 15:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Luffy has been beaten many times before, but this is the first time he's looked so utterly outclassed. Kaidou isn't the strongest for nothing.


The fight against Katakuri initially looked hopeless as well since Katakuri could dodge everything. At least Luffy landed some hits in this fight.

Luffy will find some way to win the rematch (or rematch of the rematch). There's definitely been a few fights where it looked impossible (e.g. Crocodile's and Enel's logia powers, Lucci's absurd strength and speed).
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
November 02 2018 18:40 GMT
#29504
On November 03 2018 03:33 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 15:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Luffy has been beaten many times before, but this is the first time he's looked so utterly outclassed. Kaidou isn't the strongest for nothing.


The fight against Katakuri initially looked hopeless as well since Katakuri could dodge everything. At least Luffy landed some hits in this fight.

Luffy will find some way to win the rematch (or rematch of the rematch). There's definitely been a few fights where it looked impossible (e.g. Crocodile's and Enel's logia powers, Lucci's absurd strength and speed).

Yeah, I don't think there has been any fight where Luffy had been so outclassed as he was in that first fight against Crocodile.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 02 2018 19:08 GMT
#29505
On November 03 2018 03:40 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2018 03:33 Bagration wrote:
On November 02 2018 15:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Luffy has been beaten many times before, but this is the first time he's looked so utterly outclassed. Kaidou isn't the strongest for nothing.


The fight against Katakuri initially looked hopeless as well since Katakuri could dodge everything. At least Luffy landed some hits in this fight.

Luffy will find some way to win the rematch (or rematch of the rematch). There's definitely been a few fights where it looked impossible (e.g. Crocodile's and Enel's logia powers, Lucci's absurd strength and speed).

Yeah, I don't think there has been any fight where Luffy had been so outclassed as he was in that first fight against Crocodile.


At least Crocodile was kinda pissed at Luffy due to his attacks interrupting him--Kaidou just doesn't seem to care about them.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States893 Posts
November 02 2018 19:27 GMT
#29506
On November 03 2018 03:16 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2018 00:55 Shinokuki wrote:
On November 02 2018 23:00 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 02 2018 21:18 Shinokuki wrote:
On November 02 2018 19:54 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 02 2018 19:53 Mensol wrote:
Where are the people who thought that Admirals were as strong as Yonkou? hahaha

pretty sure nobody thought that lol.


Many reasonable people thin that. Luffy still hasn’t fought admiral seriously and an admiral never seriously tried to fight him up to date. Kaido would high diff akainu though.

akainu was gonna get dumpstered by whitebeard.
shanks doesnt give a shit about whitebeard. kaidou doesnt give a shit about shanks nor whitebeard. big mom clearly holds her own as well so i dont see how people can argue that a single admiral is on par with the yonkou


Akainu got up a very soon and began to take on entire wb crew and then made bb crew flee few days later. Wb sneak attacked him from behind and caught akainu off guard two times. Akainu smashes wb head in but was surprised that wb was able to tank that and wb was able to attack with one of his strongest and akainu still wasn’t seriously injured. Luffy has to fight admirals anyway especially one of them in future why can’t they be strong as other Yonkos not named kaido?

well the crew for all yonkou are pretty much fodder except for select individuals, so a yonkou vs admiral discussion would probably have to be in a pure 1v1 scenario.
even then, akainu wasnt able to take down an old severely ill whitebeard without whitebeard being handicapped severely during the fight anyway. i dont think theres any question that a healthier whitebeard would probably singlehandedly win the war. i mean just look at the state of marineford after the war lol.
also kaidou was pissed that the only guy that can apparently kill him died first. if kaidou thinks that of whitebeard and weve come to the conclusion that kaidou would probably stomp an admiral, there isnt much more to discuss


Just no. No person can solo 6 top tiers by himself. Only one top tier was injured and that was akainu. Marines basically destroyed wb pirates and allies.
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
November 02 2018 19:39 GMT
#29507
A healthly WB would have solo'd all Admirals except Garp and Sengoku.

Also Makro, you are mad if you think any of the Admirals has chance against Big Mom, only Akainu would be able to hold himself thats it. You can see it just by looking at Luffy vs Fujitora at Dressrosa, and Luffy vs Big Mom at WCI. Luffy's gear four attacks were just like mosquito bite for Big Mom lol.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
November 02 2018 19:58 GMT
#29508
look, speaking of fujitora, i think that a dude who can send you an asteroid coming right from space and level a whole country can hold his ground against big mom
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
November 02 2018 19:59 GMT
#29509
On November 03 2018 04:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2018 03:40 Sentenal wrote:
On November 03 2018 03:33 Bagration wrote:
On November 02 2018 15:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Luffy has been beaten many times before, but this is the first time he's looked so utterly outclassed. Kaidou isn't the strongest for nothing.


The fight against Katakuri initially looked hopeless as well since Katakuri could dodge everything. At least Luffy landed some hits in this fight.

Luffy will find some way to win the rematch (or rematch of the rematch). There's definitely been a few fights where it looked impossible (e.g. Crocodile's and Enel's logia powers, Lucci's absurd strength and speed).

Yeah, I don't think there has been any fight where Luffy had been so outclassed as he was in that first fight against Crocodile.


At least Crocodile was kinda pissed at Luffy due to his attacks interrupting him--Kaidou just doesn't seem to care about them.

Crocodile set a timer, stood still, and let Luffy go to town on him for however long. Then the timer ran out and Croc dries him out, impaled him, and dumped him in a sand pit
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
November 02 2018 20:31 GMT
#29510
On November 03 2018 04:58 Makro wrote:
look, speaking of fujitora, i think that a dude who can send you an asteroid coming right from space and level a whole country can hold his ground against big mom

im talking about Fujitora who cant escape Doflamingo's cage Also the one who both Luffy and Sabo had comfortably 1v1's.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 02 2018 21:07 GMT
#29511
admirals weak af
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
November 02 2018 21:34 GMT
#29512
Being the third strongest group in OP world is no shame mate... They are just not the strongest as people want them to be.

Yonkou > Fleet-Admiral > Admirals/Yonkous strongest commander
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Elerris
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia137 Posts
November 02 2018 22:04 GMT
#29513
Carrying on from the 'Luffy has never been this outclassed discussion', versus people like Crocodile and Katakuri at the start, he was outclassed because his attacks couldn't even hit his opponents, but once they did they did damage. Vs Kaidou Luffy just unloaded his strongest attacks which made full contact and did absolutely nothing. Makes me wonder what kind of strength/powers Luffy will need to obtain before he could even hurt Kaidou, let alone damage him to the point of defeat.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States893 Posts
November 02 2018 23:02 GMT
#29514
On November 03 2018 05:31 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2018 04:58 Makro wrote:
look, speaking of fujitora, i think that a dude who can send you an asteroid coming right from space and level a whole country can hold his ground against big mom

im talking about Fujitora who cant escape Doflamingo's cage Also the one who both Luffy and Sabo had comfortably 1v1's.


I’m talking about Fujitora who didn’t even try at all. Is flash not a god for sparring vs foreign players by not trying?
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-02 23:03:52
November 02 2018 23:03 GMT
#29515
The whole point of Luffy being outclassed and unable to damage his opponents is to introduce an in-universe ability. In Crocodile's case it was his devil fruit ability to turn into sand and be unaffected by normal attacks (but defeated by blood covered fist - One Piece logic is funny) and in Katakuri's case it was to introduce "future telling" haki. Who knows what it is for Kaidou.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
November 02 2018 23:22 GMT
#29516
On November 03 2018 07:04 Elerris wrote:
Carrying on from the 'Luffy has never been this outclassed discussion', versus people like Crocodile and Katakuri at the start, he was outclassed because his attacks couldn't even hit his opponents, but once they did they did damage. Vs Kaidou Luffy just unloaded his strongest attacks which made full contact and did absolutely nothing. Makes me wonder what kind of strength/powers Luffy will need to obtain before he could even hurt Kaidou, let alone damage him to the point of defeat.

IDK, Kaido certainly looked like he took those hits and oofed quite a few times.

I'm pretty sure Kaido (and Jack's) main strength is their tenacity and to keep going after taking damage. All of Jack's fights hes just taken hit after hit and gotten knocked all over the place, and then he just stands back up afterwards and keeps going. And now Kaido is doing like a bigger version of that.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Merany
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France890 Posts
November 02 2018 23:23 GMT
#29517
I think I've said the exact same thing during the Big Mom arc but I'd love to see another full team combo on Kaido, Oars style.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 02 2018 23:40 GMT
#29518
The oars fight was one of the best fights in One Piece. So serious, yet so slapstick, and moments of awesomeness from every crew member that participated. Even Sogeking was cool.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8695 Posts
November 03 2018 03:55 GMT
#29519
On November 03 2018 04:27 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2018 03:16 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 03 2018 00:55 Shinokuki wrote:
On November 02 2018 23:00 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 02 2018 21:18 Shinokuki wrote:
On November 02 2018 19:54 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 02 2018 19:53 Mensol wrote:
Where are the people who thought that Admirals were as strong as Yonkou? hahaha

pretty sure nobody thought that lol.


Many reasonable people thin that. Luffy still hasn’t fought admiral seriously and an admiral never seriously tried to fight him up to date. Kaido would high diff akainu though.

akainu was gonna get dumpstered by whitebeard.
shanks doesnt give a shit about whitebeard. kaidou doesnt give a shit about shanks nor whitebeard. big mom clearly holds her own as well so i dont see how people can argue that a single admiral is on par with the yonkou


Akainu got up a very soon and began to take on entire wb crew and then made bb crew flee few days later. Wb sneak attacked him from behind and caught akainu off guard two times. Akainu smashes wb head in but was surprised that wb was able to tank that and wb was able to attack with one of his strongest and akainu still wasn’t seriously injured. Luffy has to fight admirals anyway especially one of them in future why can’t they be strong as other Yonkos not named kaido?

well the crew for all yonkou are pretty much fodder except for select individuals, so a yonkou vs admiral discussion would probably have to be in a pure 1v1 scenario.
even then, akainu wasnt able to take down an old severely ill whitebeard without whitebeard being handicapped severely during the fight anyway. i dont think theres any question that a healthier whitebeard would probably singlehandedly win the war. i mean just look at the state of marineford after the war lol.
also kaidou was pissed that the only guy that can apparently kill him died first. if kaidou thinks that of whitebeard and weve come to the conclusion that kaidou would probably stomp an admiral, there isnt much more to discuss


Just no. No person can solo 6 top tiers by himself. Only one top tier was injured and that was akainu. Marines basically destroyed wb pirates and allies.

an actual wb vs marines war with a healthier whitebeard wouldnt just be about who kills each other first. whitebeard would just destroy literally everything and the marines would be left with nothing (infrastructure etc), and the admirals would be powerless to stop it.
also you have to consider that at marineford wb's aim wasnt to destroy marineford or the marines. rescuing ace requires him to not blow the place up first
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States893 Posts
November 03 2018 05:53 GMT
#29520
On November 03 2018 12:55 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2018 04:27 Shinokuki wrote:
On November 03 2018 03:16 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 03 2018 00:55 Shinokuki wrote:
On November 02 2018 23:00 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 02 2018 21:18 Shinokuki wrote:
On November 02 2018 19:54 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 02 2018 19:53 Mensol wrote:
Where are the people who thought that Admirals were as strong as Yonkou? hahaha

pretty sure nobody thought that lol.


Many reasonable people thin that. Luffy still hasn’t fought admiral seriously and an admiral never seriously tried to fight him up to date. Kaido would high diff akainu though.

akainu was gonna get dumpstered by whitebeard.
shanks doesnt give a shit about whitebeard. kaidou doesnt give a shit about shanks nor whitebeard. big mom clearly holds her own as well so i dont see how people can argue that a single admiral is on par with the yonkou


Akainu got up a very soon and began to take on entire wb crew and then made bb crew flee few days later. Wb sneak attacked him from behind and caught akainu off guard two times. Akainu smashes wb head in but was surprised that wb was able to tank that and wb was able to attack with one of his strongest and akainu still wasn’t seriously injured. Luffy has to fight admirals anyway especially one of them in future why can’t they be strong as other Yonkos not named kaido?

well the crew for all yonkou are pretty much fodder except for select individuals, so a yonkou vs admiral discussion would probably have to be in a pure 1v1 scenario.
even then, akainu wasnt able to take down an old severely ill whitebeard without whitebeard being handicapped severely during the fight anyway. i dont think theres any question that a healthier whitebeard would probably singlehandedly win the war. i mean just look at the state of marineford after the war lol.
also kaidou was pissed that the only guy that can apparently kill him died first. if kaidou thinks that of whitebeard and weve come to the conclusion that kaidou would probably stomp an admiral, there isnt much more to discuss


Just no. No person can solo 6 top tiers by himself. Only one top tier was injured and that was akainu. Marines basically destroyed wb pirates and allies.

an actual wb vs marines war with a healthier whitebeard wouldnt just be about who kills each other first. whitebeard would just destroy literally everything and the marines would be left with nothing (infrastructure etc), and the admirals would be powerless to stop it.
also you have to consider that at marineford wb's aim wasnt to destroy marineford or the marines. rescuing ace requires him to not blow the place up first


and guess what all the top tiers held back as well. One of the top tiers can destroy marineford in a blink of an eye. WB just has a great aoe damage than the rest. if 6 top tiers really tried? Mihawk trying his hardest, garp trying his hardest, 3 admirals tryign hardest, and sengoku trying hardest? WB DESTROYED EASILY
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