On June 04 2013 00:13 Gosi wrote: I just love how nonchalantly Walder Frey says "I'll find another" when Cat put the knife against his wife's throat. Could you even feel more powerless in Cat's position?
She could have held a knife against a Frey son. Or better yet, a half-wit grandson. There are even more of those than Walder-wives.
On June 04 2013 00:38 masterbreti wrote: I'm sitting here after this episode crying. Just no. Just no, WHY?!?!?!
My only pleasure is the growing influence of The Khalessi. She seems to be the only one who actually had somewhat honorable intentions, With the freeing of slaves and all that jazz.
I personally always point towards Stannis the Mannis, for he is just, and the night is dark and full of terror.
On June 04 2013 01:04 samwise1993 wrote: im totaly paralized by this episode . i was on the verge of crying like a baby after ive seen it and while im writing this im feeling kind of empty...i know its only a fictional story but still... i loved those charakters and actually i feel wordless about how evil men ( in this case walder frey and ofc the lannisters mainly tywin and cersei ) can be and that they heave absolutly no honour. i have read only the 1 book so far so i really really really hope that the starks will be able to take revenge for this event Edit : THEY EVEN KILLED THE WOLFS ((((((((((((((((((((((((((( atm im hating Got ....
Not all wolves. Only Robbs wolf Grey Wind. And Sansa's wolf Lady was killed in season 1
Arya's wolf Namiria is missing since the butcher boy killing, John Snows wolf Ghost is somewhere beyond the wall and Shaggydog and Summer are still with the boys
My gosh, I won't name names, but is it really that hard to not drop book spoilers? It's really not that hard to whose been reading when there's a prediction post and someone responds with "nah, here's my theory <inserts what happens in AFFC/ADWD>. I'm glad most of the TV viewers are still in shock to actually read most of these responses.
Robb was an idiot. Marrying the whore from Volantis and pissing Frey, a dubious ally at best, sending that scum Theon to his maniac father against his mother's advise and finally executing Kartsak for those stupid Lannister squires and loosing half his army and then RETURNING TO ASK FOR FREY'S HELP.
On June 04 2013 00:10 daskilla wrote: I dont understand all this sadness and rooting for house stark. Ultimately they are just another family fighting for power. Deaths like these makes great, unprdictable story.
They never fought for power. In matter of fact, Ned never wanted to be the hand of the king. And Robb had no choice but go to war to save his father and sisters in King's Landing. I like the Starks because they are probably the most honorable and honest house in Westeros. Unfortunately honesty in a world like Westeros doesn't really work out for you.
Ironically, it is not honor that costed Starks their house and lives, it is the few situations in which Robb in particular failed to display sense of justice and honor - such as mishandling the affair with Cat releasing Jaime, and breaking his promise to the Freys.
I think it's slightly superficial to view Westeros as the place where you necessarily get punished for having "positive" character traits. It's the world where you get punished for the mistakes you make no matter what sort of a person you are - just look at Jaime and Theon (in some ways their fate is arguably as bad as or worse than Ned's and Robb's).
If you were in Catelyn's position you would have done the same thing because Littlefinger promised her the kids and also gave her Ned's body. If Robb married the Frey girl, at this point it wouldn't even matter because the Boltons were already plotting against the Starks before Robb needed Frey men to take Casterly Rock.. If the Starks weren't so honorable they would have played the game as dirty as Tywin did.
I think that's a massive oversimplification of things.
If Robb had played it that way, then he would arguably never have had the unwavering support that he did initially. The bulk of his support came from vassals loyal to Ned and allies supportive of Robb's cause in the war and/or the sense of animosity towards the Lannisters.
People follow leaders for different reasons, If Robb was even-handed and just in punishing betrayals by Cat and Karstark respectively and if he had kept his word to the Freys, then the outcome of the war would be decided on the battlefield, where Robb would have an advantage (given his previous record).
Boltons and Freys are the kind that would side with whoever is most likely to win, or at the very least the safe option. If Robb had kept his ranks tight, they would have fallen in. If Ned was in Robb's place, he would probably not have made those mistakes. He would not break his own principles and give his mother/wife a free pass for betrayal or break an oath for a random chick.
How can you all not love Joffery? he is like simply the coolest person in the show.. I wish i was more like him in real life.. those hot girls would be so after me!
On June 04 2013 01:35 Aegon I wrote: Robb was an idiot. Marrying the whore from Volantis and pissing Frey, a dubious ally at best, sending that scum Theon to his maniac father against his mother's advise and finally executing Kartsak for those stupid Lannister squires and loosing half his army and then RETURNING TO ASK FOR FREY'S HELP.
He brought it on himself.
He's no Creed, that's for sure. Or even Tywin level. When he was Robb's age, Tywin's exploits were retold in music throughout all of Westeros. Robb? Broke a solemn betrothal to a powerful house for "love".
Though to be fair, he was up against Tywin Lannister, and the Starks have more or less proven they are utterly incompetent in the finer arts of diplomacy and intrigue.
Also, it's funny how Edmure and the Blackfish are saved by their dicks. Tully manhood op, noob Catelyn doesn't have one.
All hail to King Joffrey Baratheon the Great, soon to be God Emperor of Westeros. Only a matter of time until the rest of the usurper pack will be crushed beneath his heel (my prediction *cough*).
On June 04 2013 01:42 FoxerGames wrote: How can you all not love Joffery? he is like simply the coolest person in the show.. I wish i was more like him in real life.. those hot girls would be so after me!
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