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On November 23 2012 13:24 OutlaW- wrote:
I don't think that Kage = automatically strongest Shinobi. Not only is it not the rule, but often people hide their strength (like Kakashi and I guess Gai, too)
what you say is true, since we know the previous Kazekage wasnt much of a fighter (the mizukage too i think), but irrelevant, since we know that the Kages that are present are overpowered (or were until this point) and the strongest shinobi in their countries. Save for the Hokage obviously, but since she's primarily support, it shouldnt matter as much.
Actually this is the thing that pisses me off the most, animes/mangas are prone to enter in this phase of super overpowered shit being thrown around, and was expecting to get here, but it's silly that 5 of the absolute strongest shinobi alive (top10 among the living for sure) get trashed no problem. It s just unrealistic, i get Naruto leveled up and the enemy has to be imba, but it's inconsistent and boring. OMG ALL HOPE IS LOST, then naruto comes and saves the day (maybe assited by kakashi, duh...)
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On November 26 2012 07:58 Wrecken wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:56 sharkie wrote:On November 26 2012 07:51 Wrecken wrote:On November 23 2012 13:23 Dark_Chill wrote:
I suppose I can see why people are angry, but as people have mentioned before, Kishi did have to do this. Sure, back in the chunin exams and the beginning of Shippuden, it was awesome because we were still seeing a lot of cool and unique powers yet still saw a clear level difference. We knew that it was going to get more awesome (higher levels of techniques), and we looked forward to that. One of my favorite tech upgrades was Shikamaru's first appearance in Shippuden, SHADOWS COMING OUT OF THE GROUND BITCH! It was a good progression yet wasn't incredibly overpowered. Third vs Orochimaru was like two of the highest level ninjas, yet you could still see a variety of techs being used.
It's sort of a fall from grace, where because there's a really strong enemy, only the strongest techniques can be used, therefore the variety of techniques goes down too. The use of tactics is only part there, because power is much more the deciding factor.
I will say, I still really hate how the kages can't hold their own, yet Naruto, Bee, Gai and Kakashi seem to be holding their own vs Madara AND Tobi. Umm, Bee, Kakashi and Gai are just plain stronger than the Kages individually that's why. And luckily, Kakashi and Gai got restored back to 100%. It also helps when you have the most haxd ability ever, Kamui. The most versatile Mangekyo ability we have ever seen. If it wasn't for Obito, Kakashi would just look and Juubi and Madara and well.....KamuiGG. Since when were Kakashi and Gai stronger than the Kages? Since it's been agreed upon in the narutoforum battledome discussions. They can defeat each Kage individually, but not all at once. However, the battledome thinks that Kakashi can defeat each Kage 1 vs1 and defeat all of them in a row seeing as how he can casually do 5 Kamuis while being exhausted from previous fights. His hardest challenge would only be Ei and Onoki, but with his current Kamui feats, he clears them as well. But like I said, this is all 1v1 in row, not 1v5. Kamui just allows him to defeat opponents who are stronger, like Onoki and Ei. Being Kage doesn't mean being the strongest shinobi. i dont see how hed beat Raikage, Raikage moves too fast to be Kamuid away hes almost as Fast as Naruto who moves at like lightspeed
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Anyone want to explain what happened in the fight? Why did the octopus lose a leg?
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On November 27 2012 07:59 nosliw wrote:
Anyone want to explain what happened in the fight? Why did the octopus lose a leg?
I interpreted it that while in the smoke that the giant 10-Tail lazer made, Kakashi Kamui'd the 8-Tails into his poket-dimension, while leaving a tail behind to trick Obito/Madara. Then the 9-Tails flew Kakashi and the Naruto clone over the 10-Tails body. While over it, Kakashi Kamui's back the 8-Tails in mid-air, then charged up a Bijudama aiming at its eye.
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On November 27 2012 08:18 Cush wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 07:59 nosliw wrote:
Anyone want to explain what happened in the fight? Why did the octopus lose a leg? I interpreted it that while in the smoke that the giant 10-Tail lazer made, Kakashi Kamui'd the 8-Tails into his poket-dimension, while leaving a tail behind to trick Obito/Madara. Then the 9-Tails flew Kakashi and the Naruto clone over the 10-Tails body. While over it, Kakashi Kamui's back the 8-Tails in mid-air, then charged up a Bijudama aiming at its eye.
its possible the Lazor blew a tail off before Kakashi could move him
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On November 26 2012 13:44 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:58 Wrecken wrote:On November 26 2012 07:56 sharkie wrote:On November 26 2012 07:51 Wrecken wrote:On November 23 2012 13:23 Dark_Chill wrote:
I suppose I can see why people are angry, but as people have mentioned before, Kishi did have to do this. Sure, back in the chunin exams and the beginning of Shippuden, it was awesome because we were still seeing a lot of cool and unique powers yet still saw a clear level difference. We knew that it was going to get more awesome (higher levels of techniques), and we looked forward to that. One of my favorite tech upgrades was Shikamaru's first appearance in Shippuden, SHADOWS COMING OUT OF THE GROUND BITCH! It was a good progression yet wasn't incredibly overpowered. Third vs Orochimaru was like two of the highest level ninjas, yet you could still see a variety of techs being used.
It's sort of a fall from grace, where because there's a really strong enemy, only the strongest techniques can be used, therefore the variety of techniques goes down too. The use of tactics is only part there, because power is much more the deciding factor.
I will say, I still really hate how the kages can't hold their own, yet Naruto, Bee, Gai and Kakashi seem to be holding their own vs Madara AND Tobi. Umm, Bee, Kakashi and Gai are just plain stronger than the Kages individually that's why. And luckily, Kakashi and Gai got restored back to 100%. It also helps when you have the most haxd ability ever, Kamui. The most versatile Mangekyo ability we have ever seen. If it wasn't for Obito, Kakashi would just look and Juubi and Madara and well.....KamuiGG. Since when were Kakashi and Gai stronger than the Kages? Since it's been agreed upon in the narutoforum battledome discussions. They can defeat each Kage individually, but not all at once. However, the battledome thinks that Kakashi can defeat each Kage 1 vs1 and defeat all of them in a row seeing as how he can casually do 5 Kamuis while being exhausted from previous fights. His hardest challenge would only be Ei and Onoki, but with his current Kamui feats, he clears them as well. But like I said, this is all 1v1 in row, not 1v5. Kamui just allows him to defeat opponents who are stronger, like Onoki and Ei. Being Kage doesn't mean being the strongest shinobi. i dont see how hed beat Raikage, Raikage moves too fast to be Kamuid away hes almost as Fast as Naruto who moves at like lightspeed
considering how often Obito almost caught Naruto (almost, because each time someone came to his rescue) I do think Kamui doesnt care much about speed :p
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On November 27 2012 09:10 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 13:44 Forikorder wrote:On November 26 2012 07:58 Wrecken wrote:On November 26 2012 07:56 sharkie wrote:On November 26 2012 07:51 Wrecken wrote:On November 23 2012 13:23 Dark_Chill wrote:
I suppose I can see why people are angry, but as people have mentioned before, Kishi did have to do this. Sure, back in the chunin exams and the beginning of Shippuden, it was awesome because we were still seeing a lot of cool and unique powers yet still saw a clear level difference. We knew that it was going to get more awesome (higher levels of techniques), and we looked forward to that. One of my favorite tech upgrades was Shikamaru's first appearance in Shippuden, SHADOWS COMING OUT OF THE GROUND BITCH! It was a good progression yet wasn't incredibly overpowered. Third vs Orochimaru was like two of the highest level ninjas, yet you could still see a variety of techs being used.
It's sort of a fall from grace, where because there's a really strong enemy, only the strongest techniques can be used, therefore the variety of techniques goes down too. The use of tactics is only part there, because power is much more the deciding factor.
I will say, I still really hate how the kages can't hold their own, yet Naruto, Bee, Gai and Kakashi seem to be holding their own vs Madara AND Tobi. Umm, Bee, Kakashi and Gai are just plain stronger than the Kages individually that's why. And luckily, Kakashi and Gai got restored back to 100%. It also helps when you have the most haxd ability ever, Kamui. The most versatile Mangekyo ability we have ever seen. If it wasn't for Obito, Kakashi would just look and Juubi and Madara and well.....KamuiGG. Since when were Kakashi and Gai stronger than the Kages? Since it's been agreed upon in the narutoforum battledome discussions. They can defeat each Kage individually, but not all at once. However, the battledome thinks that Kakashi can defeat each Kage 1 vs1 and defeat all of them in a row seeing as how he can casually do 5 Kamuis while being exhausted from previous fights. His hardest challenge would only be Ei and Onoki, but with his current Kamui feats, he clears them as well. But like I said, this is all 1v1 in row, not 1v5. Kamui just allows him to defeat opponents who are stronger, like Onoki and Ei. Being Kage doesn't mean being the strongest shinobi. i dont see how hed beat Raikage, Raikage moves too fast to be Kamuid away hes almost as Fast as Naruto who moves at like lightspeed considering how often Obito almost caught Naruto (almost, because each time someone came to his rescue) I do think Kamui doesnt care much about speed :p
your mistaking the 2 jutsus
Kamui is a ranged attack that sucks stuff in but takes time since Raikage moves so fast and has his special technique that makes it impssible for the Sharingan to follow it since he negates most of the muscle movements Kakashi will never get enough of a bead on him to use that
the other technique is unnamed and is a close range absorbtion while taht COULD work but since RAikage is gonna run circles around Kakashi hed never pull that one off either
Obito has had the success hes had because of the third technique that pretty mcuh makes him untouchable while its on so he can try for the 2nd technique as often as he wants and if hes in a bad spot just mulligan with the 3rd technique
Kakashi cant do that so would 100% get nailed by a Lariat
i dont even think he could manage to take down Oonoki who could dodge the Kamui better then Deidara did and blow Kakashi apart from range with dust technique
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On November 27 2012 09:57 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:10 sharkie wrote:On November 26 2012 13:44 Forikorder wrote:On November 26 2012 07:58 Wrecken wrote:On November 26 2012 07:56 sharkie wrote:On November 26 2012 07:51 Wrecken wrote:On November 23 2012 13:23 Dark_Chill wrote:
I suppose I can see why people are angry, but as people have mentioned before, Kishi did have to do this. Sure, back in the chunin exams and the beginning of Shippuden, it was awesome because we were still seeing a lot of cool and unique powers yet still saw a clear level difference. We knew that it was going to get more awesome (higher levels of techniques), and we looked forward to that. One of my favorite tech upgrades was Shikamaru's first appearance in Shippuden, SHADOWS COMING OUT OF THE GROUND BITCH! It was a good progression yet wasn't incredibly overpowered. Third vs Orochimaru was like two of the highest level ninjas, yet you could still see a variety of techs being used.
It's sort of a fall from grace, where because there's a really strong enemy, only the strongest techniques can be used, therefore the variety of techniques goes down too. The use of tactics is only part there, because power is much more the deciding factor.
I will say, I still really hate how the kages can't hold their own, yet Naruto, Bee, Gai and Kakashi seem to be holding their own vs Madara AND Tobi. Umm, Bee, Kakashi and Gai are just plain stronger than the Kages individually that's why. And luckily, Kakashi and Gai got restored back to 100%. It also helps when you have the most haxd ability ever, Kamui. The most versatile Mangekyo ability we have ever seen. If it wasn't for Obito, Kakashi would just look and Juubi and Madara and well.....KamuiGG. Since when were Kakashi and Gai stronger than the Kages? Since it's been agreed upon in the narutoforum battledome discussions. They can defeat each Kage individually, but not all at once. However, the battledome thinks that Kakashi can defeat each Kage 1 vs1 and defeat all of them in a row seeing as how he can casually do 5 Kamuis while being exhausted from previous fights. His hardest challenge would only be Ei and Onoki, but with his current Kamui feats, he clears them as well. But like I said, this is all 1v1 in row, not 1v5. Kamui just allows him to defeat opponents who are stronger, like Onoki and Ei. Being Kage doesn't mean being the strongest shinobi. i dont see how hed beat Raikage, Raikage moves too fast to be Kamuid away hes almost as Fast as Naruto who moves at like lightspeed considering how often Obito almost caught Naruto (almost, because each time someone came to his rescue) I do think Kamui doesnt care much about speed :p your mistaking the 2 jutsus Kamui is a ranged attack that sucks stuff in but takes time since Raikage moves so fast and has his special technique that makes it impssible for the Sharingan to follow it since he negates most of the muscle movements Kakashi will never get enough of a bead on him to use that the other technique is unnamed and is a close range absorbtion while taht COULD work but since RAikage is gonna run circles around Kakashi hed never pull that one off either Obito has had the success hes had because of the third technique that pretty mcuh makes him untouchable while its on so he can try for the 2nd technique as often as he wants and if hes in a bad spot just mulligan with the 3rd technique Kakashi cant do that so would 100% get nailed by a Lariat i dont even think he could manage to take down Oonoki who could dodge the Kamui better then Deidara did and blow Kakashi apart from range with dust technique
Agree with everything you said except for Oonokie part. When he used Kamui on Deidara you have to agree he could barely control the thing and he was struggling suck him in. Kakashi has now shown he's formidable with the technique now and Deidara would've been instantly killed.
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On November 26 2012 07:44 Wrecken wrote:
Naruto is stronger than absolutely every being besides the Juubi and Rikudo Senin. Hashirama can't compete cus he wasn't even able to kill living EMS Madara who is much weaker than the current one. And even with his unlimited chakra, Rinnegan, Mokuton, Madara still seems outgunned compared to Nardo.
And the 4th is a bit overhyped. He was king at killing fodder and his biggest 1v1 victory was against his 14 year old former student. He had a few really haxd abilities in FTG, Shiki Fuujin, and uzumaki seals, but he lacked nukes and any real destructive power. His most destructive move is plain old Rasengan....
In the end. this fight will somehow end in a new rasengan variant. Senpo Cho FutonBiujuRasen Tarengan here we come.
1) the 4th was still relatively young and was still inventing new techs (hadn't yet mastered the final rasengan transformation) and 2 everything we have seen from him has been impressive as fuck. His speed was unmatched, didn't the rainkage say that he was too fast even for him? He was also a genius at tactics he didn't need huge nukes when you can instantly tele around and hit people before they even know the attack is coming. Rasengan is still a decent mid size nuke. I mean think about it. He was so fast that he got around Tobi's auto defense.
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On November 27 2012 09:57 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:10 sharkie wrote:On November 26 2012 13:44 Forikorder wrote:On November 26 2012 07:58 Wrecken wrote:On November 26 2012 07:56 sharkie wrote:On November 26 2012 07:51 Wrecken wrote:On November 23 2012 13:23 Dark_Chill wrote:
I suppose I can see why people are angry, but as people have mentioned before, Kishi did have to do this. Sure, back in the chunin exams and the beginning of Shippuden, it was awesome because we were still seeing a lot of cool and unique powers yet still saw a clear level difference. We knew that it was going to get more awesome (higher levels of techniques), and we looked forward to that. One of my favorite tech upgrades was Shikamaru's first appearance in Shippuden, SHADOWS COMING OUT OF THE GROUND BITCH! It was a good progression yet wasn't incredibly overpowered. Third vs Orochimaru was like two of the highest level ninjas, yet you could still see a variety of techs being used.
It's sort of a fall from grace, where because there's a really strong enemy, only the strongest techniques can be used, therefore the variety of techniques goes down too. The use of tactics is only part there, because power is much more the deciding factor.
I will say, I still really hate how the kages can't hold their own, yet Naruto, Bee, Gai and Kakashi seem to be holding their own vs Madara AND Tobi. Umm, Bee, Kakashi and Gai are just plain stronger than the Kages individually that's why. And luckily, Kakashi and Gai got restored back to 100%. It also helps when you have the most haxd ability ever, Kamui. The most versatile Mangekyo ability we have ever seen. If it wasn't for Obito, Kakashi would just look and Juubi and Madara and well.....KamuiGG. Since when were Kakashi and Gai stronger than the Kages? Since it's been agreed upon in the narutoforum battledome discussions. They can defeat each Kage individually, but not all at once. However, the battledome thinks that Kakashi can defeat each Kage 1 vs1 and defeat all of them in a row seeing as how he can casually do 5 Kamuis while being exhausted from previous fights. His hardest challenge would only be Ei and Onoki, but with his current Kamui feats, he clears them as well. But like I said, this is all 1v1 in row, not 1v5. Kamui just allows him to defeat opponents who are stronger, like Onoki and Ei. Being Kage doesn't mean being the strongest shinobi. i dont see how hed beat Raikage, Raikage moves too fast to be Kamuid away hes almost as Fast as Naruto who moves at like lightspeed considering how often Obito almost caught Naruto (almost, because each time someone came to his rescue) I do think Kamui doesnt care much about speed :p your mistaking the 2 jutsus Kamui is a ranged attack that sucks stuff in but takes time since Raikage moves so fast and has his special technique that makes it impssible for the Sharingan to follow it since he negates most of the muscle movements Kakashi will never get enough of a bead on him to use that the other technique is unnamed and is a close range absorbtion while taht COULD work but since RAikage is gonna run circles around Kakashi hed never pull that one off either Obito has had the success hes had because of the third technique that pretty mcuh makes him untouchable while its on so he can try for the 2nd technique as often as he wants and if hes in a bad spot just mulligan with the 3rd technique Kakashi cant do that so would 100% get nailed by a Lariat i dont even think he could manage to take down Oonoki who could dodge the Kamui better then Deidara did and blow Kakashi apart from range with dust technique
I just had to interject at least.
I agree, speed and power wise, Kakashi can't compare with Raikage, perhaps when it comes to energy blasts, also against Oonoki. But don't forget, Kakashi is a copy ninja, meaning the Kamui isn't his only technique. See unlike Obito who we see only using the three you mentioned to attack/defend, Kakashi has other techniques.
And if I recall correctly, the only one faster than the Raikage was actually the 4th right? And the 4th was only able to evade Obito and manage to do battle with Obito because of his spatial technique which allowed him to transport in between points instantly, negating the need to "accelerate".
As such, you could theorize that the reaction required from an experienced sharigan user when using Kamui is of course different. We've seen instances of speed not just being physical but also chakra based as a technique. So the "reaction time" might not be as far off as one would assume from a "realistic perspective". I'm not saying you are wrong, but I am not saying you are right either. Because there has been no battle between the two that we could consider canon. Also, technically the Amaterasu did hit the Raikage, or he let it hit him so one could argue that the Raikage doesn't tend to avoid certain attacks with the belief he could handle/take it.
Just my opinion, I know its not also canon.
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On November 27 2012 16:00 17Sphynx17 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:57 Forikorder wrote:On November 27 2012 09:10 sharkie wrote:On November 26 2012 13:44 Forikorder wrote:On November 26 2012 07:58 Wrecken wrote:On November 26 2012 07:56 sharkie wrote:On November 26 2012 07:51 Wrecken wrote:On November 23 2012 13:23 Dark_Chill wrote:
I suppose I can see why people are angry, but as people have mentioned before, Kishi did have to do this. Sure, back in the chunin exams and the beginning of Shippuden, it was awesome because we were still seeing a lot of cool and unique powers yet still saw a clear level difference. We knew that it was going to get more awesome (higher levels of techniques), and we looked forward to that. One of my favorite tech upgrades was Shikamaru's first appearance in Shippuden, SHADOWS COMING OUT OF THE GROUND BITCH! It was a good progression yet wasn't incredibly overpowered. Third vs Orochimaru was like two of the highest level ninjas, yet you could still see a variety of techs being used.
It's sort of a fall from grace, where because there's a really strong enemy, only the strongest techniques can be used, therefore the variety of techniques goes down too. The use of tactics is only part there, because power is much more the deciding factor.
I will say, I still really hate how the kages can't hold their own, yet Naruto, Bee, Gai and Kakashi seem to be holding their own vs Madara AND Tobi. Umm, Bee, Kakashi and Gai are just plain stronger than the Kages individually that's why. And luckily, Kakashi and Gai got restored back to 100%. It also helps when you have the most haxd ability ever, Kamui. The most versatile Mangekyo ability we have ever seen. If it wasn't for Obito, Kakashi would just look and Juubi and Madara and well.....KamuiGG. Since when were Kakashi and Gai stronger than the Kages? Since it's been agreed upon in the narutoforum battledome discussions. They can defeat each Kage individually, but not all at once. However, the battledome thinks that Kakashi can defeat each Kage 1 vs1 and defeat all of them in a row seeing as how he can casually do 5 Kamuis while being exhausted from previous fights. His hardest challenge would only be Ei and Onoki, but with his current Kamui feats, he clears them as well. But like I said, this is all 1v1 in row, not 1v5. Kamui just allows him to defeat opponents who are stronger, like Onoki and Ei. Being Kage doesn't mean being the strongest shinobi. i dont see how hed beat Raikage, Raikage moves too fast to be Kamuid away hes almost as Fast as Naruto who moves at like lightspeed considering how often Obito almost caught Naruto (almost, because each time someone came to his rescue) I do think Kamui doesnt care much about speed :p your mistaking the 2 jutsus Kamui is a ranged attack that sucks stuff in but takes time since Raikage moves so fast and has his special technique that makes it impssible for the Sharingan to follow it since he negates most of the muscle movements Kakashi will never get enough of a bead on him to use that the other technique is unnamed and is a close range absorbtion while taht COULD work but since RAikage is gonna run circles around Kakashi hed never pull that one off either Obito has had the success hes had because of the third technique that pretty mcuh makes him untouchable while its on so he can try for the 2nd technique as often as he wants and if hes in a bad spot just mulligan with the 3rd technique Kakashi cant do that so would 100% get nailed by a Lariat i dont even think he could manage to take down Oonoki who could dodge the Kamui better then Deidara did and blow Kakashi apart from range with dust technique I just had to interject at least. I agree, speed and power wise, Kakashi can't compare with Raikage, perhaps when it comes to energy blasts, also against Oonoki. But don't forget, Kakashi is a copy ninja, meaning the Kamui isn't his only technique. See unlike Obito who we see only using the three you mentioned to attack/defend, Kakashi has other techniques. And if I recall correctly, the only one faster than the Raikage was actually the 4th right? And the 4th was only able to evade Obito and manage to do battle with Obito because of his spatial technique which allowed him to transport in between points instantly, negating the need to "accelerate". As such, you could theorize that the reaction required from an experienced sharigan user when using Kamui is of course different. We've seen instances of speed not just being physical but also chakra based as a technique. So the "reaction time" might not be as far off as one would assume from a "realistic perspective". I'm not saying you are wrong, but I am not saying you are right either. Because there has been no battle between the two that we could consider canon. Also, technically the Amaterasu did hit the Raikage, or he let it hit him so one could argue that the Raikage doesn't tend to avoid certain attacks with the belief he could handle/take it. Just my opinion, I know its not also canon.
Basically in the battledome thread of Kakashi vs Gokage 1v1, they had him KamuiGG'n everyone in the end. With his current feats he can basically insta warp anything or at least appear instant. He absorbed Naruto at his high speed and even caught Obito off guard because of the speed the Nardo clone was warped at and also absorbed Bee near instantly.
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If Obito wasn't there, he could just KamuiGG Swagdara and Juubi instantly no problem. Plot aside that is.
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On November 27 2012 14:48 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:57 Forikorder wrote:On November 27 2012 09:10 sharkie wrote:On November 26 2012 13:44 Forikorder wrote:On November 26 2012 07:58 Wrecken wrote:On November 26 2012 07:56 sharkie wrote:On November 26 2012 07:51 Wrecken wrote:On November 23 2012 13:23 Dark_Chill wrote:
I suppose I can see why people are angry, but as people have mentioned before, Kishi did have to do this. Sure, back in the chunin exams and the beginning of Shippuden, it was awesome because we were still seeing a lot of cool and unique powers yet still saw a clear level difference. We knew that it was going to get more awesome (higher levels of techniques), and we looked forward to that. One of my favorite tech upgrades was Shikamaru's first appearance in Shippuden, SHADOWS COMING OUT OF THE GROUND BITCH! It was a good progression yet wasn't incredibly overpowered. Third vs Orochimaru was like two of the highest level ninjas, yet you could still see a variety of techs being used.
It's sort of a fall from grace, where because there's a really strong enemy, only the strongest techniques can be used, therefore the variety of techniques goes down too. The use of tactics is only part there, because power is much more the deciding factor.
I will say, I still really hate how the kages can't hold their own, yet Naruto, Bee, Gai and Kakashi seem to be holding their own vs Madara AND Tobi. Umm, Bee, Kakashi and Gai are just plain stronger than the Kages individually that's why. And luckily, Kakashi and Gai got restored back to 100%. It also helps when you have the most haxd ability ever, Kamui. The most versatile Mangekyo ability we have ever seen. If it wasn't for Obito, Kakashi would just look and Juubi and Madara and well.....KamuiGG. Since when were Kakashi and Gai stronger than the Kages? Since it's been agreed upon in the narutoforum battledome discussions. They can defeat each Kage individually, but not all at once. However, the battledome thinks that Kakashi can defeat each Kage 1 vs1 and defeat all of them in a row seeing as how he can casually do 5 Kamuis while being exhausted from previous fights. His hardest challenge would only be Ei and Onoki, but with his current Kamui feats, he clears them as well. But like I said, this is all 1v1 in row, not 1v5. Kamui just allows him to defeat opponents who are stronger, like Onoki and Ei. Being Kage doesn't mean being the strongest shinobi. i dont see how hed beat Raikage, Raikage moves too fast to be Kamuid away hes almost as Fast as Naruto who moves at like lightspeed considering how often Obito almost caught Naruto (almost, because each time someone came to his rescue) I do think Kamui doesnt care much about speed :p your mistaking the 2 jutsus Kamui is a ranged attack that sucks stuff in but takes time since Raikage moves so fast and has his special technique that makes it impssible for the Sharingan to follow it since he negates most of the muscle movements Kakashi will never get enough of a bead on him to use that the other technique is unnamed and is a close range absorbtion while taht COULD work but since RAikage is gonna run circles around Kakashi hed never pull that one off either Obito has had the success hes had because of the third technique that pretty mcuh makes him untouchable while its on so he can try for the 2nd technique as often as he wants and if hes in a bad spot just mulligan with the 3rd technique Kakashi cant do that so would 100% get nailed by a Lariat i dont even think he could manage to take down Oonoki who could dodge the Kamui better then Deidara did and blow Kakashi apart from range with dust technique Agree with everything you said except for Oonokie part. When he used Kamui on Deidara you have to agree he could barely control the thing and he was struggling suck him in. Kakashi has now shown he's formidable with the technique now and Deidara would've been instantly killed.
Deidara was moving somewhat slow though and performing no evasive maneuvars if Oonoki kept moving and was actively dodging and forcing Kakashi to dodge then its no insta-GG
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There is a huge difference between kakashi and tobi's Kamui. Tobi's Kamui is instant warp but he has to be in physical contact with the person, Kakashi's Kamui can be use as a sniper rifle from butt fuck no where, but it is not instant like Tobi's. Raikage's synapses fires at lighting speed that is able to escape even Sasuke's Amateratsu, there is no way Kakashi can beat raikage in a fair fight. However Ninja battle is not about fair and square, Kakashi can totally warp Raikage into the other dimension while he's sleeping and leave him there for a month and starve him to death 
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On November 28 2012 00:48 rei wrote:There is a huge difference between kakashi and tobi's Kamui. Tobi's Kamui is instant warp but he has to be in physical contact with the person, Kakashi's Kamui can be use as a sniper rifle from butt fuck no where, but it is not instant like Tobi's. Raikage's synapses fires at lighting speed that is able to escape even Sasuke's Amateratsu, there is no way Kakashi can beat raikage in a fair fight. However Ninja battle is not about fair and square, Kakashi can totally warp Raikage into the other dimension while he's sleeping and leave him there for a month and starve him to death
New naruto omake:
Kakashi hiding behind Raikage's curtains in his room waiting for Raikage to go sleep.
Only to find out Raikage is such a hardass he doesn't go ever sleep.
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On November 28 2012 00:48 rei wrote:There is a huge difference between kakashi and tobi's Kamui. Tobi's Kamui is instant warp but he has to be in physical contact with the person, Kakashi's Kamui can be use as a sniper rifle from butt fuck no where, but it is not instant like Tobi's. Raikage's synapses fires at lighting speed that is able to escape even Sasuke's Amateratsu, there is no way Kakashi can beat raikage in a fair fight. However Ninja battle is not about fair and square, Kakashi can totally warp Raikage into the other dimension while he's sleeping and leave him there for a month and starve him to death
O{bitos eyes give 3 abilities
the eye Obito kept lets him phase some of his body to a different dimension to "slip" through attacks
the eye Kakashi got allows him to phase other objects at distance to a different dimension
and both eyes can phase things that the person is touching to a different dimension and bring things from that dimension back to the real world
so Kakashi can both phase things at a distance and by touching it thats how come he could suck in the Hachibi and spit him out
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kakashi + 9-tails chakra = tobi's auto defense on naruto
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anyone else thinks Kakashi's eyes got different powers just because to not make it obvious Tobi = Obito since the beginning? :p
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On November 28 2012 02:40 sharkie wrote:
anyone else thinks Kakashi's eyes got different powers just because to not make it obvious Tobi = Obito since the beginning? :p
no the eyes of the sharingan having different abilities is a theme
Itachi always used right eye for Tsukyomi and left for amaterasu
he sacced his right eye for izanami and obito sacced left for Izanagi
so its not odd that Obitos 2 eyes have a special skill each
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On November 28 2012 01:04 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 00:48 rei wrote:There is a huge difference between kakashi and tobi's Kamui. Tobi's Kamui is instant warp but he has to be in physical contact with the person, Kakashi's Kamui can be use as a sniper rifle from butt fuck no where, but it is not instant like Tobi's. Raikage's synapses fires at lighting speed that is able to escape even Sasuke's Amateratsu, there is no way Kakashi can beat raikage in a fair fight. However Ninja battle is not about fair and square, Kakashi can totally warp Raikage into the other dimension while he's sleeping and leave him there for a month and starve him to death O{bitos eyes give 3 abilities the eye Obito kept lets him phase some of his body to a different dimension to "slip" through attacks the eye Kakashi got allows him to phase other objects at distance to a different dimension and both eyes can phase things that the person is touching to a different dimension and bring things from that dimension back to the real world so Kakashi can both phase things at a distance and by touching it thats how come he could suck in the Hachibi and spit him out
I think you are right on that last point, however, since he doesn't have the bloodline, he uses up considerable amount of chakra when he uses the eye power, I still don't think he can beat RainKage straight up without help.
Also what happens if you can't make physical contact with the rainkage cause of that lightning chakra armor he has on him. even Sasuke's Chidori was only able to make contact with skin. So Kakashi has to Chidori and then after he make contact and instantly warp. and that's under the assumption that he is fast enough to even land a hit to begin with. lol
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