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On September 12 2012 14:05 PeT[uK] wrote: I am calling it, Naruto will destroy the moon and thus no more moons eye plan. Stranger things have happened in this damn series.
Where is Piccolo when you need him.
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Wonder why there wasnt an edo tensei of jiraiya
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On September 12 2012 14:41 Stealth. wrote: Wonder why there wasnt an edo tensei of jiraiya Kabuto explained that jiraiya's body was so far down in the ocean that the water pressure was too great for anyone to get close to his body.
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In the end though, Obito is just Madara bitch. The facade that was " Tobi " is now gone.
Time for some flashback on how Madara manipulate Obito.
Afterwards, i am expecting Naruto to TNJ Obito to their side.
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That last panel with Obito waking up to see Madara, while he asked "did I die?"... it's exactly like when Kakashi is waking up to see Minato after Obito's "death"... he even asks the same thing ...
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hmm, good find I'm wondering about that line madara said but it's translated a few different ways. I'm not sure when obito wakes up it's actually another dimension or he escaped through the other dimension.
Maybe madara was hiding in another dimension and time passes slower there, who knows.
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What I find really interesting is Obitos motivation. So he is doing this for Rin but at 1 point he was planning to use a jutsu of Nagato to straight up revive Madara - wtf. Also ok that went wrong but later he meets Kabuto who managed to dig up anyone who has even remotely been mentioned in the manga AND when they were revived they still had their minds. AND is it turns out - it´s possible to continue living after the jutsu is cancelled. So this dude organized the biggest war of all time revived and mass produced thousands of shinobi and spent all these years planning to revive Madara just to punish this world for what happened to Rin. Well here is an idea Obito - just ask Nagato to revive her next time he´s a good guy he´ll do it or later tell Kabuto to revive her and leave her brain alone and gg.
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Russian Federation798 Posts
On September 12 2012 19:35 TealHorseman wrote: What I find really interesting is Obitos motivation. So he is doing this for Rin but at 1 point he was planning to use a jutsu of Nagato to straight up revive Madara - wtf. Also ok that went wrong but later he meets Kabuto who managed to dig up anyone who has even remotely been mentioned in the manga AND when they were revived they still had their minds. AND is it turns out - it´s possible to continue living after the jutsu is cancelled. So this dude organized the biggest war of all time revived and mass produced thousands of shinobi and spent all these years planning to revive Madara just to punish this world for what happened to Rin. Well here is an idea Obito - just ask Nagato to revive her next time he´s a good guy he´ll do it or later tell Kabuto to revive her and leave her brain alone and gg.
The funny thing is a lot of people hate Sasuke for the stupid things he does, but at least he was manipulated by many people - Itachi, Obito, Orochimaru.... and mind raped from a very young age. Obito on the other hand is a total bitch.
I mean he goes total nuts and starts a war which ends up destroying thousands of lives because ONE GIRL that he had a crush on died....
Anyway I really hope it isn't going to be some Naruto TNJ that turns Obito good again because that would suck so hard.
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Calm down people, I'm sure there will be a satisfactory sob story in the coming week that will show a psyche every bit as fucked up as Sasuke. Let's not quibble about who has the bigger mental scars here.
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it sounds very strange in a manga especially in a shounen manga, but if we know history and we know american tv, women alone are the rise and fall of men.
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On September 12 2012 19:47 fishinguy wrote:
I mean he goes total nuts and starts a war which ends up destroying thousands of lives because ONE GIRL that he had a crush on died....
Anyway I really hope it isn't going to be some Naruto TNJ that turns Obito good again because that would suck so hard.
I see what you did there of course it was a no pun intended. But anyway Kishimoto is learning well from Kubo (and that is not a good thing at least imo). Time to see much more sillyness will occur.
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On September 12 2012 21:25 McDrizzle wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 19:47 fishinguy wrote:
I mean he goes total nuts and starts a war which ends up destroying thousands of lives because ONE GIRL that he had a crush on died....
Anyway I really hope it isn't going to be some Naruto TNJ that turns Obito good again because that would suck so hard.
I see what you did there of course it was a no pun intended. But anyway Kishimoto is learning well from Kubo (and that is not a good thing at least imo). Time to see much more sillyness will occur. If you look even deeper...
+ Show Spoiler +I mean he goes total nuts and starts a war which ends up destroying thousands of lives because ONE GIRL that he had a crush on died....
Anyway I really hope it isn't going to be some Naruto TNJ that turns Obito good again because that would suck so hard.
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So when Madara did all this stuff? If he was brought back with Edo Tensei then he had to die at some point, and given his appearance it had to be in Hashirima times or slightly after.
So again how did Madara contact with Nagato/Obito if he was long dead :f
And we assume it was Obito who were going toe-to-toe with 4th yes? Damn thats a stretch :[
I guess Oro will be a missing puzzle.
But what annoys me more is that 1st part of Naruto was never about that, yes you can reverse engineer anything in this setup but its just incredibly annoying that in part 1 almost nothing existed besides Itachi-Shisui/Uchiha clan from this whole Moon eye scheme. Orochimaru never expressed any curiosity toward anything besides Uchiha Itachi/Sasuke. Which is weird after we know that he knew about all this stuff happening around which was more important than putting everything on unreliable card (sasuke) and risking his life to kill a geezer, all of this was completely insignificant in this whole scheme.
Which in the end makes for a weak set up imho. Engineered but not masterfuly enginereed.
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You SAW a very old madara in the flash back dude. The edo tensei doesn't revive people in the state they were when they died. Otherwise saw in the 1st part of the manga the 1st and 2nd hokages wouldn't be young also. zzzzzzzzzz
Madara survived and hid and set up akatsuki in his old age and formed this plan, and gave his rinnegan to nagato I suppose.
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On September 12 2012 22:22 Slayer91 wrote: You SAW a very old madara in the flash back dude. The edo tensei doesn't revive people in the state they were when they died. Otherwise saw in the 1st part of the manga the 1st and 2nd hokages wouldn't be young also. zzzzzzzzzz
Madara survived and hid and set up akatsuki in his old age and formed this plan, and gave his rinnegan to nagato I suppose.
No, the 1st looked exactly like when he fought Madara, and we don´t know, when he died or why (or do we ?), but we know, that his younger brother became the 2nd. Tobirama wasn´t old at that time, so i think Hashirama was not very old, when he died (because normally you are not 30 years or so older than your brother). And Tobirama died at a relatively young age, again looking exactly like he looked when Oro revived him with Edo Tensei. But Madara at the end of the last Manga is much older than his Edo Tensei. And again, Chiyo for example is revived at an old age, and Nagato is not at his prime, too. But I can´t remember anyone of who we know that he died at old age, but was revived at his prime. Except Madara. Maybe I´m missing someone ? I hope for an explanation of this, but so far i got no good explanation for that.
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On September 12 2012 19:35 TealHorseman wrote: What I find really interesting is Obitos motivation. So he is doing this for Rin but at 1 point he was planning to use a jutsu of Nagato to straight up revive Madara - wtf. Also ok that went wrong but later he meets Kabuto who managed to dig up anyone who has even remotely been mentioned in the manga AND when they were revived they still had their minds. AND is it turns out - it´s possible to continue living after the jutsu is cancelled. So this dude organized the biggest war of all time revived and mass produced thousands of shinobi and spent all these years planning to revive Madara just to punish this world for what happened to Rin. Well here is an idea Obito - just ask Nagato to revive her next time he´s a good guy he´ll do it or later tell Kabuto to revive her and leave her brain alone and gg. since Obito knows Madara he has the potential to be mind fucked and controlled by someone far stronger then Itachi, Orochimaru and Tobi put together
think about it, he constantly calls himself a noone who has given up his name yet is still hung up on stuff done to "obito" Madara probably broke his mind into a thousand pieces and put it back together in a way that would make him only do what Madara wanted him to, Obito is now the craziest person in the manga
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On September 12 2012 22:22 Slayer91 wrote: You SAW a very old madara in the flash back dude. The edo tensei doesn't revive people in the state they were when they died. Otherwise saw in the 1st part of the manga the 1st and 2nd hokages wouldn't be young also. zzzzzzzzzz
Madara survived and hid and set up akatsuki in his old age and formed this plan, and gave his rinnegan to nagato I suppose. oopsie thats what you get from viewing chapter fast in work :p forgot about last 2 panels
so disregard that part in my post
my review on part1 connecting part2 still stand ^^
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On September 12 2012 19:47 fishinguy wrote: The funny thing is a lot of people hate Sasuke for the stupid things he does, but at least he was manipulated by many people - Itachi, Obito, Orochimaru.... and mind raped from a very young age. Obito on the other hand is a total bitch.
I mean he goes total nuts and starts a war which ends up destroying thousands of lives because ONE GIRL that he had a crush on died....
Anyway I really hope it isn't going to be some Naruto TNJ that turns Obito good again because that would suck so hard.
Most people seem to have misread this part. Obito does not say he started this plan/war solely because Rin died. Kakashi was asking Obito why he didn't come back to the village if he survived ("If you were alive... how come until now?").
Rin's death is undoubtedly one of the reasons that Obito has become the way he is, but we'll have to wait for the flashback to find out more about his motives.
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What if it has something to do with Madara's twin? We kind of disregarded the fact that Madara has a twin brother. Maybe Madara did die in his prime, and his brother took over, etc etc. That would seem like a reasonable route to go if they must be revived at the point they died
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well guys, if you haven't done so already after Obito's reveal, brace yourselves for kishimoto's flashback no jutsu.
+ Show Spoiler +and it kinda sucks that the kage are dying/dead, but i guess the people complaining that there aren't enough notable casualties will be satisfied. Garra will probably survive due to him being younger generation ninja, and the manga's theme of the younger surpassing the old.
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