On October 28 2011 05:45 Hynda wrote: I don't claim to have insider information or anything of sort. But I'm pretty sure that this is the way the first hokage won over madara.
It was supposed to be a suicide joke, but people see penises in everything these days. Had like 5 PM's everyone thinking it's a penis joke, and then one guy getting it going "that was mildly amusing" and that is what it's all about. That's why I spent 2 hours finding all the pictures and making it in paint. Time well spent, I'm not in any way, shape or form waisting my life.
I did look at the midway through making it and that is a ridiculously phallus rock.
I can't even tell if ur joking or w/e it is a penis joke though right? because i thought it was and lol'd hard
Yea it started out as Madara is going to kill himself over a bad pun, but then I noticed that rock and I couldn't help but to use it.
On October 28 2011 06:25 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote: the one thing plaguing me is how is fake madara/tobi?! has rinnegan and full sharingan.... hmmm interesting
On October 28 2011 01:21 neptunesak wrote: The battle between Madara and First Hokage was to obtain his powers. After that, I believe Izuna created Nagato to probably test the Rinnegan from both Madara and Frist Hokage's cells. We already know the fake Madara was responsible for creating Nagato.
What do you mean creating? Did he link them all up or something? Nagato awakened the rinnegan on his own.
but i also specifically remember the nagato flashback where he has that fight and then the rinnegan awakens
so i dunno wtf
i honestly believe it was implanted in him before he even knew. reason being is he always has his eyes shut and it was awaken by a sense of rage or disparity in the moment of a battle. hence how naruto activates kyubis mode when he's angry, sasuke activated sharingan in battle, and how this also happens. obviously you don't know what you have implanted in you nor do you know how to awaken it if you don't know you have it.
On October 28 2011 06:02 CosmicSpiral wrote: Now the issue would be why Fake Madara was so interested in this idea in the first place. I don't think Fake Madara is Izuna since Izuna was never described as either power-hungry or particularly malicious, and in this series backstory is generally never wrong. Also consider that Madara transplanted one of Nagato's eyes to replace the one he lost to Konan, plus he was able to give the former Jinchuuriki both Sharingan and Rinnegan eyes. If he didn't have Uchiha and Senju DNA then he could never access to that power without significant problems.
Who do you think Fake Madara is then?
We know its someone from Madara's time.
In my wild conspiracy theory, Fake Madara is the first "son" of the Sage of the Six Paths. "Son" is figurative since I don't actually believe that Fake Madara, the Senju founder, and the Uchiha founder were born biologically. They were all created via Banbuto Sozo, the same technique to create the moon and split the Ten-Tails into the current tailed beasts.
Fake Madara was originally intended to house the Ten-Tails and be the successor to the Sage's will. But something went drastically wrong (I can only think of 3-4 scenarios that make sense) and he was stripped of his powers while maintaining his nature. So when the Sage created his other two sons he split his various powers between them so neither one could completely dominate the ninja world. Similarly he elected to split the Ten-Tails into 9 different beasts rather than risking one person containing all that power as a Jinchuuriki. It was a bad choice but the best one he could make at that time. He hoped that their limitations would force the sons to work together (remember their opposing mottos) while limiting their power, but Fake Madara turned the Uchiha founder against his own brother.
This would explain why Fake Madara can access the Sharingan and Rinnegan (he is from the original bloodline, so to speak) but why he needed to take Nagato's eyes to use the Rinnegan (his true physical body is crippled in some way that prevents him from accessing the Sage's powers beyond intangibility). It would also explain how he could replicate the Rinnegan in other bodies so easily, as he already knows all the ins and outs of it. And of course Fake Madara would be worried about true Madara's resurrection: if Fake Madara's true nature was recorded on the Sage's tablet in the Uchiha compound, then there's always the risk Madara could have read the entire thing with his new-found Rinnegan. Fake Madara's plan hinges on everyone not knowing this vital information; he has influenced so many events in that world's history that no one would help him knowing what he was really after.
To be honest I'm suspicious of the belief that Madara took his brother's eyes to access the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. Izuna's eyes may have been given to Fake Madara in exchange for giving real Madara access to the Eternal version. But then that wouldn't explain why he implanted Itachi's eyes into Sasuke's head so I'm probably thinking too hard.
Running along this line of reasoning Nagato and Madara were attempts to access the Sage's power by recombining the bloodlines. Nagato was spliced with Uchiha DNA while Madara was physically merged with part of Harashima; these created imperfect duplicates of the Sage. I could even imagine the Naruto-Sasuke relationship as integral to Fake Madara's plan of creating a Uchiha-Senju hybrid that could function as a Jinchuuriki to the Ten-Tails. Both bloodlines have demonstrated the ability to control tailed beasts but neither can approach the complete power of the Sage by themselves.
On October 28 2011 06:02 CosmicSpiral wrote: Now the issue would be why Fake Madara was so interested in this idea in the first place. I don't think Fake Madara is Izuna since Izuna was never described as either power-hungry or particularly malicious, and in this series backstory is generally never wrong. Also consider that Madara transplanted one of Nagato's eyes to replace the one he lost to Konan, plus he was able to give the former Jinchuuriki both Sharingan and Rinnegan eyes. If he didn't have Uchiha and Senju DNA then he could never access to that power without significant problems.
Who do you think Fake Madara is then?
We know its someone from Madara's time.
In my wild conspiracy theory, Fake Madara is the first "son" of the Sage of the Six Paths. "Son" is figurative since I don't actually believe that Fake Madara, the Senju founder, and the Uchiha founder were born biologically. They were all created via Banbuto Sozo.
Fake Madara was originally intended to house the Ten-Tails and be the successor to the Sage's will. But something went drastically wrong (I can only think of 3-4 scenarios that make sense) and he was stripped of his powers while maintaining his nature. So when the Sage created his other two sons he split his various powers between them so neither one could completely dominate the ninja world. Similarly he elected to split the Ten-Tails into 9 different beasts rather than risking one person containing all that power as a Jinchuuriki. It was a bad choice but the best one he could make at that time. He hoped that their limitations would force the sons to work together (remember their opposing mottos) while limiting their power, but Fake Madara turned the Uchiha founder against his own brother.
This would explain why Fake Madara can access the Sharingan and Rinnegan (he is from the original bloodline, so to speak) but why he needed to take Nagato's eyes to use the Rinnegan (he needs to take those sources of power from other people). It would also explain how he could replicate the Rinnegan in other bodies. And of course Fake Madara would be worried about true Madara's resurrection: if Fake Madara's true nature was recorded on the Sage's tablet in the Uchiha compound, then there's always the risk Madara could have read the entire thing with his new-found Rinnegan.
To be honest I'm suspicious of the belief that Madara took his brother's eyes to access the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. Izuna's eyes may have been given to Fake Madara in exchange for giving real Madara access to the Eternal version.
he doesn't really "replicate" rinnegan in the jinchuuriki's eyes this is just a trait of ownership to the dead bodies he controls just like the 6 paths of pain. none of the guys actually had the abilities of the rinnegan except the original but they were all controlled by nagato and he had full access to their individual abilities.
On October 28 2011 06:02 CosmicSpiral wrote: Now the issue would be why Fake Madara was so interested in this idea in the first place. I don't think Fake Madara is Izuna since Izuna was never described as either power-hungry or particularly malicious, and in this series backstory is generally never wrong. Also consider that Madara transplanted one of Nagato's eyes to replace the one he lost to Konan, plus he was able to give the former Jinchuuriki both Sharingan and Rinnegan eyes. If he didn't have Uchiha and Senju DNA then he could never access to that power without significant problems.
Who do you think Fake Madara is then?
We know its someone from Madara's time.
In my wild conspiracy theory, Fake Madara is the first "son" of the Sage of the Six Paths. "Son" is figurative since I don't actually believe that Fake Madara, the Senju founder, and the Uchiha founder were born biologically. They were all created via Banbuto Sozo.
Fake Madara was originally intended to house the Ten-Tails and be the successor to the Sage's will. But something went drastically wrong (I can only think of 3-4 scenarios that make sense) and he was stripped of his powers while maintaining his nature. So when the Sage created his other two sons he split his various powers between them so neither one could completely dominate the ninja world. Similarly he elected to split the Ten-Tails into 9 different beasts rather than risking one person containing all that power as a Jinchuuriki. It was a bad choice but the best one he could make at that time. He hoped that their limitations would force the sons to work together (remember their opposing mottos) while limiting their power, but Fake Madara turned the Uchiha founder against his own brother.
This would explain why Fake Madara can access the Sharingan and Rinnegan (he is from the original bloodline, so to speak) but why he needed to take Nagato's eyes to use the Rinnegan (he needs to take those sources of power from other people). It would also explain how he could replicate the Rinnegan in other bodies. And of course Fake Madara would be worried about true Madara's resurrection: if Fake Madara's true nature was recorded on the Sage's tablet in the Uchiha compound, then there's always the risk Madara could have read the entire thing with his new-found Rinnegan.
To be honest I'm suspicious of the belief that Madara took his brother's eyes to access the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. Izuna's eyes may have been given to Fake Madara in exchange for giving real Madara access to the Eternal version.
he doesn't really "replicate" rinnegan in the jinchuuriki's eyes this is just a trait of ownership to the dead bodies he controls just like the 6 paths of pain. none of the guys actually had the abilities of the rinnegan except the original but they were all controlled by nagato and he had full access to their individual abilities.
The eyes in the bodies are just a reflection of Madara's own eyes and it remains to be seen if they function in the same way Nagato used his own bodies. But it's mighty odd that Madara could do this in the first place given his short time using the Rinnegan. How long did it take Nagato to figure out that he could do the same?
Also Nagato could have used all those individual abilities himself if he wasn't physically crippled. Remember that Madara has already used the Deva and Preta Paths without the need of reanimated corpses. Even resurrected Nagato used the Preta Path on Killer Bee to revitalize himself.
That's actually one of the better theories I've read so far. It's obvious many have been trying to combine the powers of the Uchiha and Senju but I'd never thought about fake madara being a "failed" first son of the Sot6P.
2. Being born earlier means you have more time to learn new techniques. That's why Madara's eyes have become the Rinnegan, and Itachi's didn't.
On October 28 2011 04:54 Courthead wrote: b) False, Itachi was not "the head" of ANBU. He was a captain. And Madara was the head of the Uchiha clan, the second most powerful force in the ninja world at the time. c) Basically every ninja in the story right now could easily wipe out the Uchiha.
Orochimaru wanted to live forever. Why? "Because there is not enough time in a single life to learn all the secrets of the ninja world." Being older is a serious advantage. You think Madara would have unlocked the Rinnegan had he only lived to be 20?
And I would need at least four hands to count the number of ninjas in the story to date who could have wiped out the Uchiha clan. Shisui was already dead. Itachi wasn't even at the peak of his power when he did it. Pain, in his sickly and imperfect state, single-handled destroyed the entire LEAF.
Your obsession with Itachi is based on non-facts and delusions.
On October 28 2011 06:25 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote: the one thing plaguing me is how is fake madara/tobi?! has rinnegan and full sharingan.... hmmm interesting
He took one Rinnegan eyeball from Nagato.
haha oops i knew that it was a typo... i meant to say WHO is fake madara/tobi
On October 28 2011 09:02 Courthead wrote: Make faces all you want, the truth is the truth.
Orochimaru wanted to live forever. Why? "Because there is not enough time in a single life to learn all the secrets of the ninja world." Being older is a serious advantage. You think Madara would have unlocked the Rinnegan had he only lived to be 20?
And I would need at least four hands to count the number of ninjas in the story to date who could have wiped out the Uchiha clan. Shisui was already dead. Itachi wasn't even at the peak of his power when he did it. Pain, in his sickly and imperfect state, single-handled destroyed the entire LEAF.
Your obsession with Itachi is based on non-facts and delusions.
Being older and what you said "Being born earlier" are not the same. Because when I read your original post, I made the same face until I re-read it and realized what you actually meant
On October 28 2011 01:55 Warrior Madness wrote: Still, he has a point. We all thought Itachi was by far the most powerful then it turns out lulululul Madara can do everything Itachi (And Sephiroth) can AND has a rinnegan more powerful than Pein's. But apparently the first hokage somehow, someway handily beat Madara. The Hell?
What the hell are you talking about? Nobody who has paid any attention to this show at all ever thought Itachi was stronger than Madara.
1. Madara is the most famous Uchiha, and one of the most famous ninjas of all-time. Second only to the First Hokage in his day. 2. Madara unlocked Mangekyou Sharingan decades and decades before Itachi was even alive. 3. Madara unlocked the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan while Itachi never did. 4. Madara could control the Kyuubi at will. 5. Madara has (basically) lived forever, while Itachi died of disease in his 20s.
Also, who said Madara's Rinnegan was more powerful than Pain's? And even if it is, how can that be surprising, since Madara is the one who GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan in the first place? And why the fuck does everyone think Rinnegan is so OP when its abilities have consistently been countered by numerous people?
If you're going to complain, do so intelligently please.
Whoa there cowboy, no need to get your panties (Lemme guess, ultramarine with a metal crotch plate and a leaf symbol in the middle?) in a knot. I didn't write what I meant clearly enough. And anyways, I reread the original quote that I quoted and I misread what he wrote. I thought he wrote that the first hokage had died to a bunch of random ninjas (He was talking about the 2nd hokage) so I thought that was silly considering he took out madara more than once. Oh shit, I guess you had a point. gg
Speaking of points, the reason why people think Rinnegan is so OP is because it is. Consider the fact that Naruto beat Pein in his not only WEAKENED state (He was a shadow of his former self as that point) but tired state, having fought the entire Leaf village single handedly and effortlessly. You remember how he got beaten when he was at full strength? His graviton beam thing was defeated only when Itachi, Naruto and Killerbee used their combined powers together, using the most powerful jujitsus in their arsenal. Yeah, that's right, Susanoo + the 8 and 9 tales combined strength.
You remember that time when half of the village died? Yeah... Pein ressed them all. So not only is the ability itself unbelievably powerful, the 7th path has powers "beyond life and death." Sage of the Six Paths was the first to have this ability and he had some pretty sick feats of strengths such as apparently creating the moon with Chibaku Tensei. I guess if Madara could create a meteor that fills the sky out of thin air then it's plausible that the sage of six paths actually did create the moon.
On October 28 2011 13:49 ShadeR wrote: Progression of shonen manga lol. Hax character in beggining can take on 5-10 enemies. 300 chapters in hax character destroys galaxies.
That's the problem of any series it's why iron man now has a drinking problem you end up building up your character they no longer become relate-able so you kick em down with human vices/emotion.