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I watched it yesterday. With a dozen dwarves who don't do very much individually, I was already worried that they'd end up as comedic sidekicks. Add to that the Goblin King and the deranged, guano-haired Radagast, and it was too much slapstick for my taste. Of course, I enjoyed the movie a great deal anyway. Looking forward to the next parts.
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I'm coming from the movie. It was "meh". I rate it 6.5/10 from which 2.5-3 points are only because of the cool 3D effects. Kind of disappointed in the movie plot.
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On December 19 2012 07:01 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 06:35 Xela wrote:
I saw it yesterday and i was expecting to be disapointed after reading a few pages of this thread. I was not.
About the critics: yes it is silly at times, but Tolkien universe is suppose to be funny. Remember fellowship where we had basically the whole first 45 minutes of partying, fireworks and hobbit dancing? Yea, not that serious. I think the second and third movie will get progressively darker just like LOTR.
The only complaint I have is the similarities with LOTR. I mean come on, some scenes just seem to be copy/paste from fellowship, for example the stone giant scene is just like the snowstorm scene on the edge of the mountain in fellowship, and the escape from the goblin cave is identical to the escape from the moria.
Overall great movie, sometimes too much references to LOTR ( we're not idiots peter), we'll have to wait till the trilogy is over to really judge it though, just like LOTR. It's the opposite, the fellowship borrows a lot of the plot from the Hobbit.
He's talking about the movie scenes: a lot of the presentation was really similar.
Even the format of the movie was arranged similar, ending with the same scene of looking off towards a mountain in the distance.
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On December 19 2012 10:44 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 07:01 igotmyown wrote:On December 19 2012 06:35 Xela wrote:
I saw it yesterday and i was expecting to be disapointed after reading a few pages of this thread. I was not.
About the critics: yes it is silly at times, but Tolkien universe is suppose to be funny. Remember fellowship where we had basically the whole first 45 minutes of partying, fireworks and hobbit dancing? Yea, not that serious. I think the second and third movie will get progressively darker just like LOTR.
The only complaint I have is the similarities with LOTR. I mean come on, some scenes just seem to be copy/paste from fellowship, for example the stone giant scene is just like the snowstorm scene on the edge of the mountain in fellowship, and the escape from the goblin cave is identical to the escape from the moria.
Overall great movie, sometimes too much references to LOTR ( we're not idiots peter), we'll have to wait till the trilogy is over to really judge it though, just like LOTR. It's the opposite, the fellowship borrows a lot of the plot from the Hobbit. He's talking about the movie scenes: a lot of the presentation was really similar. Even the format of the movie was arranged similar, ending with the same scene of looking off towards a mountain in the distance.
Gandalf hits his head on the chandelier.
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On December 19 2012 10:27 Maxd11 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I was so excited I almost gave the ups guy a tip!
How did you get it so soon?
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On December 19 2012 10:49 Locke- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:44 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 07:01 igotmyown wrote:On December 19 2012 06:35 Xela wrote:
I saw it yesterday and i was expecting to be disapointed after reading a few pages of this thread. I was not.
About the critics: yes it is silly at times, but Tolkien universe is suppose to be funny. Remember fellowship where we had basically the whole first 45 minutes of partying, fireworks and hobbit dancing? Yea, not that serious. I think the second and third movie will get progressively darker just like LOTR.
The only complaint I have is the similarities with LOTR. I mean come on, some scenes just seem to be copy/paste from fellowship, for example the stone giant scene is just like the snowstorm scene on the edge of the mountain in fellowship, and the escape from the goblin cave is identical to the escape from the moria.
Overall great movie, sometimes too much references to LOTR ( we're not idiots peter), we'll have to wait till the trilogy is over to really judge it though, just like LOTR. It's the opposite, the fellowship borrows a lot of the plot from the Hobbit. He's talking about the movie scenes: a lot of the presentation was really similar. Even the format of the movie was arranged similar, ending with the same scene of looking off towards a mountain in the distance. Gandalf hits his head on the chandelier.
Oh yeah, there are a ton of things like this. The giant scene/mountain cliff from lotr, fighting wargs in plains that looked very much like Rohan... Even the dwarves screaming for Thorin was similar to Frodo screaming at Gandalf on the bridge - and both facing a single, powerful opponent. Throwing in Saruman (and acting like his treacherous lotr-self, no less). It felt recycled at parts, and that killed some of the experience.
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On December 19 2012 06:26 Frieder wrote:
Jackosn doesn't get the whole world and it's history. He makes changes as he wants. Yes, some of them are necessary to make the movie watchable, but the most of them are just idiotic and unncessary. Why do you have to change so many scenes, introduce figures etc., which are not necessary to show the story?
Yeah, he may have a role in the story of the movie. But it he is not important. Boromir could have been killed by any random Uruk-hai.
There is a reason for the fact that some figures are not in the book, there is a reason therefore Radagast is not in the book...
I'm not sure that's a legitimate criticism. Not every one of the dwarves was at all essential to the story of The Hobbit. Tolkien could have made it 10 and nobody would have known the difference. But additions, essential or not, can add depth. Whether or not you think the addition of Radagast added any depth is different, but if your criticism is just 'Radagast isn't necessary', then there's 1000 other things you should be complaining about too.
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On December 19 2012 10:49 Locke- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:44 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 07:01 igotmyown wrote:On December 19 2012 06:35 Xela wrote:
I saw it yesterday and i was expecting to be disapointed after reading a few pages of this thread. I was not.
About the critics: yes it is silly at times, but Tolkien universe is suppose to be funny. Remember fellowship where we had basically the whole first 45 minutes of partying, fireworks and hobbit dancing? Yea, not that serious. I think the second and third movie will get progressively darker just like LOTR.
The only complaint I have is the similarities with LOTR. I mean come on, some scenes just seem to be copy/paste from fellowship, for example the stone giant scene is just like the snowstorm scene on the edge of the mountain in fellowship, and the escape from the goblin cave is identical to the escape from the moria.
Overall great movie, sometimes too much references to LOTR ( we're not idiots peter), we'll have to wait till the trilogy is over to really judge it though, just like LOTR. It's the opposite, the fellowship borrows a lot of the plot from the Hobbit. He's talking about the movie scenes: a lot of the presentation was really similar. Even the format of the movie was arranged similar, ending with the same scene of looking off towards a mountain in the distance. Gandalf hits his head on the chandelier.
That's blatantly intentional. The other stuff, probably not, but Gandalf hitting his head is quite obviously a reference. You think Peter Jackson didn't realise that happened in The Hobbit and FotR?
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This is by far the cheesiest film i've seen in 2012. I realize it's supposed to be silly, but really.... the slow zooms onto thorin looking angrily down his brow... come on... are we all 12 again ?
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On December 19 2012 12:41 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:49 Locke- wrote:On December 19 2012 10:44 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 07:01 igotmyown wrote:On December 19 2012 06:35 Xela wrote:
I saw it yesterday and i was expecting to be disapointed after reading a few pages of this thread. I was not.
About the critics: yes it is silly at times, but Tolkien universe is suppose to be funny. Remember fellowship where we had basically the whole first 45 minutes of partying, fireworks and hobbit dancing? Yea, not that serious. I think the second and third movie will get progressively darker just like LOTR.
The only complaint I have is the similarities with LOTR. I mean come on, some scenes just seem to be copy/paste from fellowship, for example the stone giant scene is just like the snowstorm scene on the edge of the mountain in fellowship, and the escape from the goblin cave is identical to the escape from the moria.
Overall great movie, sometimes too much references to LOTR ( we're not idiots peter), we'll have to wait till the trilogy is over to really judge it though, just like LOTR. It's the opposite, the fellowship borrows a lot of the plot from the Hobbit. He's talking about the movie scenes: a lot of the presentation was really similar. Even the format of the movie was arranged similar, ending with the same scene of looking off towards a mountain in the distance. Gandalf hits his head on the chandelier. That's blatantly intentional. The other stuff, probably not, but Gandalf hitting his head is quite obviously a reference. You think Peter Jackson didn't realise that happened in The Hobbit and FotR?
I don't really see why there's a need for references between two movies that are in the same world with a ton of the same characters and a linked story.
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On December 19 2012 12:41 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:49 Locke- wrote:On December 19 2012 10:44 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 07:01 igotmyown wrote:On December 19 2012 06:35 Xela wrote:
I saw it yesterday and i was expecting to be disapointed after reading a few pages of this thread. I was not.
About the critics: yes it is silly at times, but Tolkien universe is suppose to be funny. Remember fellowship where we had basically the whole first 45 minutes of partying, fireworks and hobbit dancing? Yea, not that serious. I think the second and third movie will get progressively darker just like LOTR.
The only complaint I have is the similarities with LOTR. I mean come on, some scenes just seem to be copy/paste from fellowship, for example the stone giant scene is just like the snowstorm scene on the edge of the mountain in fellowship, and the escape from the goblin cave is identical to the escape from the moria.
Overall great movie, sometimes too much references to LOTR ( we're not idiots peter), we'll have to wait till the trilogy is over to really judge it though, just like LOTR. It's the opposite, the fellowship borrows a lot of the plot from the Hobbit. He's talking about the movie scenes: a lot of the presentation was really similar. Even the format of the movie was arranged similar, ending with the same scene of looking off towards a mountain in the distance. Gandalf hits his head on the chandelier. That's blatantly intentional. The other stuff, probably not, but Gandalf hitting his head is quite obviously a reference. You think Peter Jackson didn't realise that happened in The Hobbit and FotR?
The scene at that rock when they were chased by the orcs:
"[pauses, scared look] Get inside you fools!" (or something like that) = "Run you fools"
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On December 19 2012 12:52 Locke- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 12:41 Swede wrote:On December 19 2012 10:49 Locke- wrote:On December 19 2012 10:44 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 07:01 igotmyown wrote:On December 19 2012 06:35 Xela wrote:
I saw it yesterday and i was expecting to be disapointed after reading a few pages of this thread. I was not.
About the critics: yes it is silly at times, but Tolkien universe is suppose to be funny. Remember fellowship where we had basically the whole first 45 minutes of partying, fireworks and hobbit dancing? Yea, not that serious. I think the second and third movie will get progressively darker just like LOTR.
The only complaint I have is the similarities with LOTR. I mean come on, some scenes just seem to be copy/paste from fellowship, for example the stone giant scene is just like the snowstorm scene on the edge of the mountain in fellowship, and the escape from the goblin cave is identical to the escape from the moria.
Overall great movie, sometimes too much references to LOTR ( we're not idiots peter), we'll have to wait till the trilogy is over to really judge it though, just like LOTR. It's the opposite, the fellowship borrows a lot of the plot from the Hobbit. He's talking about the movie scenes: a lot of the presentation was really similar. Even the format of the movie was arranged similar, ending with the same scene of looking off towards a mountain in the distance. Gandalf hits his head on the chandelier. That's blatantly intentional. The other stuff, probably not, but Gandalf hitting his head is quite obviously a reference. You think Peter Jackson didn't realise that happened in The Hobbit and FotR? The scene at that rock when they were chased by the orcs: "[pauses, scared look] Get inside you fools!" (or something like that) = "Run you fools"
Are you complaining that Gandalf said the word 'fools' in two separate movies? A character is allowed to have idiosyncratic language. As long as it's not bordering on being a catch phrase, I think it adds to the character. 'Fools' is exactly the kind of word I would imagine Gandalf to use.
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On December 19 2012 12:48 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 12:41 Swede wrote:On December 19 2012 10:49 Locke- wrote:On December 19 2012 10:44 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 07:01 igotmyown wrote:On December 19 2012 06:35 Xela wrote:
I saw it yesterday and i was expecting to be disapointed after reading a few pages of this thread. I was not.
About the critics: yes it is silly at times, but Tolkien universe is suppose to be funny. Remember fellowship where we had basically the whole first 45 minutes of partying, fireworks and hobbit dancing? Yea, not that serious. I think the second and third movie will get progressively darker just like LOTR.
The only complaint I have is the similarities with LOTR. I mean come on, some scenes just seem to be copy/paste from fellowship, for example the stone giant scene is just like the snowstorm scene on the edge of the mountain in fellowship, and the escape from the goblin cave is identical to the escape from the moria.
Overall great movie, sometimes too much references to LOTR ( we're not idiots peter), we'll have to wait till the trilogy is over to really judge it though, just like LOTR. It's the opposite, the fellowship borrows a lot of the plot from the Hobbit. He's talking about the movie scenes: a lot of the presentation was really similar. Even the format of the movie was arranged similar, ending with the same scene of looking off towards a mountain in the distance. Gandalf hits his head on the chandelier. That's blatantly intentional. The other stuff, probably not, but Gandalf hitting his head is quite obviously a reference. You think Peter Jackson didn't realise that happened in The Hobbit and FotR? I don't really see why there's a need for references between two movies that are in the same world with a ton of the same characters and a linked story.
I didn't say it was needed. I was just defending the implication that Peter Jackson was just using shit from his other movies and thinking people wouldn't notice.
To be honest, when you're whinging about a character bumping his head or using similar language between two movies it's probably about time you take the stick out of your ass. Some of the other complaints in here are completely legitimate, but tiny shit like this is pathetic. It's hating the movie for the sake of hating the movie.
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On December 19 2012 12:59 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 12:48 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 12:41 Swede wrote:On December 19 2012 10:49 Locke- wrote:On December 19 2012 10:44 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 07:01 igotmyown wrote:On December 19 2012 06:35 Xela wrote:
I saw it yesterday and i was expecting to be disapointed after reading a few pages of this thread. I was not.
About the critics: yes it is silly at times, but Tolkien universe is suppose to be funny. Remember fellowship where we had basically the whole first 45 minutes of partying, fireworks and hobbit dancing? Yea, not that serious. I think the second and third movie will get progressively darker just like LOTR.
The only complaint I have is the similarities with LOTR. I mean come on, some scenes just seem to be copy/paste from fellowship, for example the stone giant scene is just like the snowstorm scene on the edge of the mountain in fellowship, and the escape from the goblin cave is identical to the escape from the moria.
Overall great movie, sometimes too much references to LOTR ( we're not idiots peter), we'll have to wait till the trilogy is over to really judge it though, just like LOTR. It's the opposite, the fellowship borrows a lot of the plot from the Hobbit. He's talking about the movie scenes: a lot of the presentation was really similar. Even the format of the movie was arranged similar, ending with the same scene of looking off towards a mountain in the distance. Gandalf hits his head on the chandelier. That's blatantly intentional. The other stuff, probably not, but Gandalf hitting his head is quite obviously a reference. You think Peter Jackson didn't realise that happened in The Hobbit and FotR? I don't really see why there's a need for references between two movies that are in the same world with a ton of the same characters and a linked story. I didn't say it was needed. I was just defending the implication that Peter Jackson was just using shit from his other movies and thinking people wouldn't notice. To be honest, when you're whinging about a character bumping his head or using similar language between two movies it's probably about time you take the stick out of your ass. Some of the other complaints in here are completely legitimate, but tiny shit like this is pathetic. It's hating the movie for the sake of hating the movie.
Going to see a movie and constantly thinking 'well, I've seen this before' does a lot to dampen the excitement of something new. That's not 'pathetic' at all.
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On December 19 2012 13:03 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 12:59 Swede wrote:On December 19 2012 12:48 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 12:41 Swede wrote:On December 19 2012 10:49 Locke- wrote:On December 19 2012 10:44 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 07:01 igotmyown wrote:On December 19 2012 06:35 Xela wrote:
I saw it yesterday and i was expecting to be disapointed after reading a few pages of this thread. I was not.
About the critics: yes it is silly at times, but Tolkien universe is suppose to be funny. Remember fellowship where we had basically the whole first 45 minutes of partying, fireworks and hobbit dancing? Yea, not that serious. I think the second and third movie will get progressively darker just like LOTR.
The only complaint I have is the similarities with LOTR. I mean come on, some scenes just seem to be copy/paste from fellowship, for example the stone giant scene is just like the snowstorm scene on the edge of the mountain in fellowship, and the escape from the goblin cave is identical to the escape from the moria.
Overall great movie, sometimes too much references to LOTR ( we're not idiots peter), we'll have to wait till the trilogy is over to really judge it though, just like LOTR. It's the opposite, the fellowship borrows a lot of the plot from the Hobbit. He's talking about the movie scenes: a lot of the presentation was really similar. Even the format of the movie was arranged similar, ending with the same scene of looking off towards a mountain in the distance. Gandalf hits his head on the chandelier. That's blatantly intentional. The other stuff, probably not, but Gandalf hitting his head is quite obviously a reference. You think Peter Jackson didn't realise that happened in The Hobbit and FotR? I don't really see why there's a need for references between two movies that are in the same world with a ton of the same characters and a linked story. I didn't say it was needed. I was just defending the implication that Peter Jackson was just using shit from his other movies and thinking people wouldn't notice. To be honest, when you're whinging about a character bumping his head or using similar language between two movies it's probably about time you take the stick out of your ass. Some of the other complaints in here are completely legitimate, but tiny shit like this is pathetic. It's hating the movie for the sake of hating the movie. Going to see a movie and constantly thinking 'well, I've seen this before' does a lot to dampen the excitement of something new. That's not 'pathetic' at all.
It's pathetic when it's in reference to tiny things like those two examples. I could understand some of the other complaints about similarities (like I just said), but anything on the level of Gandalf bumping his head only dampens the excitement if you dwell on it. The party escaping the caves in a similar manner to Moria... I could give you that.
At the end of the day though, I'm not gonna get angry because some things are similar. Maybe that was actually just the best way to do it. In fact, in the case of the two escapes from caves/Moria, it's pretty much how it was written in the books both times, so blame Tolkien not Jackson. How do you not have a group of people running from a cave filled with goblins look similar? I'd love to hear your idea.
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I came to this thread to see whether or not the movie would be good, pretty disappointed to read all this criticism. I loved the original LotR series and I had huge expectations so it really sucks hearing about how bad this movie is.
+ Show Spoiler +Then I remembered about the responses I read in the movie thread for The Dark Knight Rises. It was full of nitpickers and movie hipsters complaining about trivial issues and making comparisons to random movies that have nothing to do with anything. I looked back even farther to The Dark Knight and I see the exact same thing. The moviegoer crowd at TL is absolutely impossible to please. I look forward to seeing this movie and I pray to Vishnu that TL is wrong yet again
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One thing I loved was the 48 fps. It got me about 20 minutes to get used to (it looked really weird at first, people were "moving too fast" and, risking to sound stupid, "too realistic"), but after that it was just awesome.
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On December 19 2012 13:09 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 13:03 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 12:59 Swede wrote:On December 19 2012 12:48 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 12:41 Swede wrote:On December 19 2012 10:49 Locke- wrote:On December 19 2012 10:44 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 07:01 igotmyown wrote:On December 19 2012 06:35 Xela wrote:
I saw it yesterday and i was expecting to be disapointed after reading a few pages of this thread. I was not.
About the critics: yes it is silly at times, but Tolkien universe is suppose to be funny. Remember fellowship where we had basically the whole first 45 minutes of partying, fireworks and hobbit dancing? Yea, not that serious. I think the second and third movie will get progressively darker just like LOTR.
The only complaint I have is the similarities with LOTR. I mean come on, some scenes just seem to be copy/paste from fellowship, for example the stone giant scene is just like the snowstorm scene on the edge of the mountain in fellowship, and the escape from the goblin cave is identical to the escape from the moria.
Overall great movie, sometimes too much references to LOTR ( we're not idiots peter), we'll have to wait till the trilogy is over to really judge it though, just like LOTR. It's the opposite, the fellowship borrows a lot of the plot from the Hobbit. He's talking about the movie scenes: a lot of the presentation was really similar. Even the format of the movie was arranged similar, ending with the same scene of looking off towards a mountain in the distance. Gandalf hits his head on the chandelier. That's blatantly intentional. The other stuff, probably not, but Gandalf hitting his head is quite obviously a reference. You think Peter Jackson didn't realise that happened in The Hobbit and FotR? I don't really see why there's a need for references between two movies that are in the same world with a ton of the same characters and a linked story. I didn't say it was needed. I was just defending the implication that Peter Jackson was just using shit from his other movies and thinking people wouldn't notice. To be honest, when you're whinging about a character bumping his head or using similar language between two movies it's probably about time you take the stick out of your ass. Some of the other complaints in here are completely legitimate, but tiny shit like this is pathetic. It's hating the movie for the sake of hating the movie. Going to see a movie and constantly thinking 'well, I've seen this before' does a lot to dampen the excitement of something new. That's not 'pathetic' at all. How do you not have a group of people running from a cave filled with goblins look similar? I'd love to hear your idea.
I never raised a complaint about that part, because you're right in saying that's just how they're written. The parts I took issue with were much less about content and more about how it was delivered - showing giants is one thing, but the 'clinging to cliff face as debris falls from above' scene was really quite the same. And it didn't have to be.
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On December 19 2012 13:17 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 13:09 Swede wrote:On December 19 2012 13:03 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 12:59 Swede wrote:On December 19 2012 12:48 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 12:41 Swede wrote:On December 19 2012 10:49 Locke- wrote:On December 19 2012 10:44 Dfgj wrote:On December 19 2012 07:01 igotmyown wrote:On December 19 2012 06:35 Xela wrote:
I saw it yesterday and i was expecting to be disapointed after reading a few pages of this thread. I was not.
About the critics: yes it is silly at times, but Tolkien universe is suppose to be funny. Remember fellowship where we had basically the whole first 45 minutes of partying, fireworks and hobbit dancing? Yea, not that serious. I think the second and third movie will get progressively darker just like LOTR.
The only complaint I have is the similarities with LOTR. I mean come on, some scenes just seem to be copy/paste from fellowship, for example the stone giant scene is just like the snowstorm scene on the edge of the mountain in fellowship, and the escape from the goblin cave is identical to the escape from the moria.
Overall great movie, sometimes too much references to LOTR ( we're not idiots peter), we'll have to wait till the trilogy is over to really judge it though, just like LOTR. It's the opposite, the fellowship borrows a lot of the plot from the Hobbit. He's talking about the movie scenes: a lot of the presentation was really similar. Even the format of the movie was arranged similar, ending with the same scene of looking off towards a mountain in the distance. Gandalf hits his head on the chandelier. That's blatantly intentional. The other stuff, probably not, but Gandalf hitting his head is quite obviously a reference. You think Peter Jackson didn't realise that happened in The Hobbit and FotR? I don't really see why there's a need for references between two movies that are in the same world with a ton of the same characters and a linked story. I didn't say it was needed. I was just defending the implication that Peter Jackson was just using shit from his other movies and thinking people wouldn't notice. To be honest, when you're whinging about a character bumping his head or using similar language between two movies it's probably about time you take the stick out of your ass. Some of the other complaints in here are completely legitimate, but tiny shit like this is pathetic. It's hating the movie for the sake of hating the movie. Going to see a movie and constantly thinking 'well, I've seen this before' does a lot to dampen the excitement of something new. That's not 'pathetic' at all. How do you not have a group of people running from a cave filled with goblins look similar? I'd love to hear your idea. I never raised a complaint about that part, because you're right in saying that's just how they're written. The parts I took issue with were much less about content and more about how it was delivered - showing giants is one thing, but the 'clinging to cliff face as debris falls from above' scene was really quite the same. And it didn't have to be.
Sorry, I shouldn't lump everybody into the same group. Just some of the complaints really bug me. To be honest, I wasn't a huge fan of the giants scene either.
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