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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 12 2017 22:51 GMT
#1941
rofl ancient dragon
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
August 12 2017 22:51 GMT
#1942
3 kills and an aegis for one death is a pretty good trade I'd say
EZ4ENCE
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
August 12 2017 22:51 GMT
#1943
afk bat
The Real Power~
Shergal
Profile Joined May 2014
Argentina1191 Posts
August 12 2017 22:51 GMT
#1944
nb's 2 supports are the most useless shit
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 12 2017 22:51 GMT
#1945
On August 13 2017 07:50 RubickPicker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 07:40 babysimba wrote:
I bet if Liquid win this 3-0, western audience still think it is better than TI4 because a western team wins.

The reason TI4 was disappointing was because if you have a bad start you basically should GG because TI4 was still played under the 6.7x rules of "you can't come back if you die too much."

Today we have comeback mechanics and while they've changed over time (from huge gold bounties for any gank to huge gold bounties for high level heroes like cores) LFY proved that the system can actually work and you can indeed turn it around.

TI4 gave the "why can I surrender from pubs" crowd ammunition. The last game countered them. No, you can out-play a miserable start.

The reason TI4 finals sucked were because it was a push strat getting rolled early on 3 games in a row.

They would play out exactly like this even in the very next patch which had the strongest comeback mechanic in history of Dota.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
turpentine
Profile Joined November 2015
1624 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-12 22:52:39
August 12 2017 22:52 GMT
#1946
On August 13 2017 07:51 Zea! wrote:
afk bat


ya it has to be on kpii here, like the bat in the Liquid-LFY game
Book of Funn1k, 3:22 "YOU RUINED MY LIFE AND NOW YOU TALK ABOUT 0-7 TUSK?? I would so fuckin Walrus Punch you that you will get stunned for 1 year."
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-12 22:53:52
August 12 2017 22:53 GMT
#1947
On August 13 2017 07:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 07:50 RubickPicker wrote:
On August 13 2017 07:40 babysimba wrote:
I bet if Liquid win this 3-0, western audience still think it is better than TI4 because a western team wins.

The reason TI4 was disappointing was because if you have a bad start you basically should GG because TI4 was still played under the 6.7x rules of "you can't come back if you die too much."

Today we have comeback mechanics and while they've changed over time (from huge gold bounties for any gank to huge gold bounties for high level heroes like cores) LFY proved that the system can actually work and you can indeed turn it around.

TI4 gave the "why can I surrender from pubs" crowd ammunition. The last game countered them. No, you can out-play a miserable start.

The reason TI4 finals sucked were because it was a push strat getting rolled early on 3 games in a row.

They would play out exactly like this even in the very next patch which had the strongest comeback mechanic in history of Dota.

Post TI4 meta was actually great and rubberband ruined it. With a tourney before TI to showcae the power of push in the same patch TI4 could have been great.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 12 2017 22:53 GMT
#1948
On August 13 2017 07:51 WindWolf wrote:
3 kills and an aegis for one death is a pretty good trade I'd say

yeah it's probably not going to get a lot better than that for Newbee
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
August 12 2017 22:54 GMT
#1949
oh shit that invis rune
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 12 2017 22:54 GMT
#1950
On August 13 2017 07:53 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 07:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 13 2017 07:50 RubickPicker wrote:
On August 13 2017 07:40 babysimba wrote:
I bet if Liquid win this 3-0, western audience still think it is better than TI4 because a western team wins.

The reason TI4 was disappointing was because if you have a bad start you basically should GG because TI4 was still played under the 6.7x rules of "you can't come back if you die too much."

Today we have comeback mechanics and while they've changed over time (from huge gold bounties for any gank to huge gold bounties for high level heroes like cores) LFY proved that the system can actually work and you can indeed turn it around.

TI4 gave the "why can I surrender from pubs" crowd ammunition. The last game countered them. No, you can out-play a miserable start.

The reason TI4 finals sucked were because it was a push strat getting rolled early on 3 games in a row.

They would play out exactly like this even in the very next patch which had the strongest comeback mechanic in history of Dota.

Post TI4 meta was actually great and rubberband ruined it.

Pre TI4 meta was actually great as well. Even TI4 meta was great if you ignore the fact that the best strat sucked balls.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 12 2017 22:54 GMT
#1951
im awake for 24 hours now
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3621 Posts
August 12 2017 22:54 GMT
#1952
Liquid are starting to stack up too many need-to-ban heroes, this Mind_Control NP is insane.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
DV G
Profile Joined September 2012
Argentina2339 Posts
August 12 2017 22:54 GMT
#1953
So

1-East-West Tradition
2-CN teams forgetting how to draft on last day
3-Liquid riding the momentum
4-Newbee's chokers
5-Azarkon was right


pick your poison.
Go pro or die trying
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 12 2017 22:55 GMT
#1954
On August 13 2017 07:54 DV G wrote:
So

1-East-West Tradition
2-CN teams forgetting how to draft on last day
3-Liquid riding the momentum
4-Newbee's chokers
5-Azarkon was right


pick your poison.

5, always 5
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
August 12 2017 22:55 GMT
#1955
On August 13 2017 07:54 DV G wrote:
So

1-East-West Tradition
2-CN teams forgetting how to draft on last day
3-Liquid riding the momentum
4-Newbee's chokers
5-Azarkon was right


pick your poison.


5 5 5 5 5
MIRACLE IS YOUR TI7 CHAMP
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
August 12 2017 22:55 GMT
#1956
This game is really ugly to watch tho, clownfiesta
The Real Power~
Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
August 12 2017 22:56 GMT
#1957
these towers fall fast
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
August 12 2017 22:57 GMT
#1958
#unbanazarkon
posting on liquid sites in current year
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
August 12 2017 22:57 GMT
#1959
Big problems with NB draft - two do-nothing during lanes supports, and a carry that needs to win lane so crushing it barely matters. You can't first pick BS, you absolutely can't pick Nyx and CM as supports, especially against NP. I honestly don't think you can pick Nyx except late in the draft, actually. And I think maybe a Furion ban is warranted, which also effectively neuters the Lich pick, whose own do-nothingness is negated by the Prophet.

So NB need to utterly change their draft to stand a chance.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-12 22:58:35
August 12 2017 22:58 GMT
#1960
Ti4 finals were considered bad because
1. VG knocked out DK, From Western pov, probably the most beloved Chinese team of all time
2. VG knocked out EG , the new NA hope. This was during Rtz's massive rise.
3. VG then proceeded to use the same strategy n the Grand Final despite failing over and over. No innovation , no metagaming, feels like they settled. Maybe the patch didn't allow it but felt like they didn't even try.
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