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CA Infraction
Profile Joined August 2016
United States170 Posts
August 12 2017 21:32 GMT
#1581
On August 13 2017 06:30 Achaian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 06:28 I hef gem wrote:
I love how everyone was criticizing the power rank after TL lost against IG & 1 game against secret and here we are lol. Just shows how desperate haters are to judge.ffs just enjoy the tournament...


*rolls eyes into forehead*

I mean sure Liquid was number 1 in it but outside of them the PR had EG OG and VP all top 4 and that clearly didn't happen. Newbee LFY and LGD were all rated much lower than they actually were as well. Focusing on just #1 is silly
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
August 12 2017 21:33 GMT
#1582
On August 13 2017 06:29 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 06:28 I hef gem wrote:
I love how everyone was criticizing the power rank after TL lost against IG & 1 game against secret and here we are lol. Just shows how desperate haters are to judge.ffs just enjoy the tournament...

TL writers are the best in the business

Generally, TL has really good writers. Ths Hearthstone ones however does have some room for improvement
EZ4ENCE
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
August 12 2017 21:34 GMT
#1583
On August 13 2017 06:19 intotheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 06:18 Reson wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:13 Kuroeeah wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:09 intotheheart wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:08 Kuroeeah wrote:
i'm surprised majority of the LR is actually backing Liquid to wi... Looks at the site i'm on..nvm

LiquidBias bruh.

Plus winning TI is a safe way to remove Miracle and GH from the scene.

Wait how? Miracle and GH were playing pretty well. You don't get those sorts of wins over LFY by having 3v5...

i'm sure i'm going to get shit for making this comment but liquid throughout the entire tournament looked very one note. Their games are predicated on whether or not they get their draft and if one key player like Miracle or GH doesn't get their comfort hero, they actually lose their games horrendously.

I'm ready to eat my words here but honestly you can tell whether Liquid wins throughout this entire tournament just from draft alone. Can't say the same about other teams but well Liquid got this far for a reason.


Liquid's strength revolves their draft so its understandable.

I made a similar point to this earlier concerning the rat drafts, but I totally understand the disconnect between:
> trying to win a TI
> watching a TI
and how they have different priorities: KKY doesn't care about how we perceive his play, as long as he gets to win. So if he's on a team with a strong reliance on drafting, he'll lean into that advantage.


Oh its not a complaint. Draft is an essential part of the game and being good at that is being good at the game. EG's strength was rooted in PPD's ability of maximize and enable his teammates. Of course the individual players have to be of a certain level but the key cog was that ability was what made then strong. Aui's Techies, Visage, and Naga gave them the edge they needed to win the title. GH might be able to do the same for Liquid. Newbee is not CDEC though so we should be in for a good one.

On a personal note, imo all strategies are valid. The only thing that has ever left a bad taste in my mouth in fountain hook at TI3 and even then it was only because of the dumb fans (and subsequently Valve) who over glorify it. Players should do whatever they want.
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
August 12 2017 21:34 GMT
#1584
On August 13 2017 06:32 CA Infraction wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 06:30 Achaian wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:28 I hef gem wrote:
I love how everyone was criticizing the power rank after TL lost against IG & 1 game against secret and here we are lol. Just shows how desperate haters are to judge.ffs just enjoy the tournament...


*rolls eyes into forehead*

I mean sure Liquid was number 1 in it but outside of them the PR had EG OG and VP all top 4 and that clearly didn't happen. Newbee LFY and LGD were all rated much lower than they actually were as well. Focusing on just #1 is silly


Just the west underestimating CN teams as usual, although to be fair they were pretty quiet in the 8 months leading up to TI
Procake
Profile Joined December 2013
3803 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-12 21:34:57
August 12 2017 21:34 GMT
#1585
On August 13 2017 06:31 Danzo wrote:
is Akke crying?


He has been like that the entire event. Just how he is there.
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
August 12 2017 21:34 GMT
#1586
If Liquid loses after this incredible loser bracket run tho... soul crushing for them
The Real Power~
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 12 2017 21:35 GMT
#1587
On August 13 2017 06:30 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 06:29 Shellshock wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:28 I hef gem wrote:
I love how everyone was criticizing the power rank after TL lost against IG & 1 game against secret and here we are lol. Just shows how desperate haters are to judge.ffs just enjoy the tournament...

TL writers are the best in the business

The SC2 writers could learn a thing or 2 from the dota ones

Like what? Passion for the game?

(I'm just kidding I know you guys get busy)
kiss kiss fall in love
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
August 12 2017 21:35 GMT
#1588
On August 13 2017 06:35 intotheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 06:30 Lorning wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:29 Shellshock wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:28 I hef gem wrote:
I love how everyone was criticizing the power rank after TL lost against IG & 1 game against secret and here we are lol. Just shows how desperate haters are to judge.ffs just enjoy the tournament...

TL writers are the best in the business

The SC2 writers could learn a thing or 2 from the dota ones

Like what? Passion for the game?

(I'm just kidding I know you guys get busy)

I dunno. I never read the articles, i just like to give them shit.
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V1ctor
Profile Joined March 2011
Moldova1645 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-12 21:36:40
August 12 2017 21:36 GMT
#1589
On August 13 2017 06:23 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 06:22 V1ctor wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:18 WindWolf wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:18 icystorage wrote:
im loving this segment

The segment about Fountain Hooking from last year was the best one by far.


Please share a link



Here you go.


Thanks

Oh...the memories...I'm sorry TongFu

P.S Loda is such a crybaby
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 12 2017 21:37 GMT
#1590
On August 13 2017 06:34 Achaian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 06:32 CA Infraction wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:30 Achaian wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:28 I hef gem wrote:
I love how everyone was criticizing the power rank after TL lost against IG & 1 game against secret and here we are lol. Just shows how desperate haters are to judge.ffs just enjoy the tournament...


*rolls eyes into forehead*

I mean sure Liquid was number 1 in it but outside of them the PR had EG OG and VP all top 4 and that clearly didn't happen. Newbee LFY and LGD were all rated much lower than they actually were as well. Focusing on just #1 is silly


Just the west underestimating CN teams as usual, although to be fair they were pretty quiet in the 8 months leading up to TI

I would not call it underestimating the Chinese teams, they showed nothing outside of newbee. They showed again they know how to step it up for a big event. We must be happy they d'ont practice the rest of the year, otherwise the Western scene would be brutalised.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
August 12 2017 21:37 GMT
#1591
On August 13 2017 06:36 V1ctor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 06:23 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:22 V1ctor wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:18 WindWolf wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:18 icystorage wrote:
im loving this segment

The segment about Fountain Hooking from last year was the best one by far.


Please share a link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6H-HEpnlk8

Here you go.


Thanks

Oh...the memories...I'm sorry TongFu

P.S Loda is such a crybaby

Was.
He's no longer among us T1-T2 team dota fans
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
August 12 2017 21:37 GMT
#1592
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/6taxm1/ti7_grand_final_fun_facts/

Some stuff to mull on before the games.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Procake
Profile Joined December 2013
3803 Posts
August 12 2017 21:38 GMT
#1593
Lool OD must have the worst voice for these things hahahah, why did they make him do it.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 12 2017 21:38 GMT
#1594
On August 13 2017 06:35 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 06:35 intotheheart wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:30 Lorning wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:29 Shellshock wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:28 I hef gem wrote:
I love how everyone was criticizing the power rank after TL lost against IG & 1 game against secret and here we are lol. Just shows how desperate haters are to judge.ffs just enjoy the tournament...

TL writers are the best in the business

The SC2 writers could learn a thing or 2 from the dota ones

Like what? Passion for the game?

(I'm just kidding I know you guys get busy)

I dunno. I never read the articles, i just like to give them shit.

You should try reading some of the SC2 writers' stuff. Some of them are pretty good at what they do.

S/o to mizenhauer.
kiss kiss fall in love
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
August 12 2017 21:39 GMT
#1595
Best strategist here. Some shade?
LiquidDota Staff
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
August 12 2017 21:39 GMT
#1596
Funny how my bracket prediction is complete shit, but i somehow still got the grand final right
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
August 12 2017 21:39 GMT
#1597
On August 13 2017 06:26 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 06:23 Kuroeeah wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:20 nojok wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:17 Kuroeeah wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:14 intotheheart wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:13 Kuroeeah wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:09 intotheheart wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:08 Kuroeeah wrote:
i'm surprised majority of the LR is actually backing Liquid to wi... Looks at the site i'm on..nvm

LiquidBias bruh.

Plus winning TI is a safe way to remove Miracle and GH from the scene.

Wait how? Miracle and GH were playing pretty well. You don't get those sorts of wins over LFY by having 3v5...

i'm sure i'm going to get shit for making this comment but liquid throughout the entire tournament looked very one note. Their games are predicated on whether or not they get their draft and if one key player like Miracle or GH doesn't get their comfort hero, they actually lose their games horrendously.

I'm ready to eat my words here but honestly you can tell whether Liquid wins throughout this entire tournament just from draft alone. Can't say the same about other teams but well Liquid got this far for a reason.

To be fair though, that's an insane achievement for winning a TI. Just by drafting better than anyone else.

I mean, I honestly think most if not every TI winner (i have to think back on this) just wins through smart drafts. IG, Alliance, Newbee, EG. I never watched Na'Vi and I don't even know if I can really count their TI victory and Wing's is pretttttttty debatable.

Alliance was very far ahead of the meta during the whole 6 months, it was not only the drafts, it was also the use of jungle and buybacks, on top of that their coordination, if subpar by today's standards, was unrivalled at the time.

Sure but look at the heroes they dominated the meta with. Lone Druid, NP, Wisp+CK and Kotl. These are heroes that you buyback and insta come back through globals to turn a teamfight. No other team did it but, still a whole draft thing. Especially Wisp at the time and Bulldog.

Other teams did it, just not as well.


Being ahead in the meta usually comes in the form of having a drafting edge.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 12 2017 21:40 GMT
#1598
On August 13 2017 06:38 intotheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 06:35 Lorning wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:35 intotheheart wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:30 Lorning wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:29 Shellshock wrote:
On August 13 2017 06:28 I hef gem wrote:
I love how everyone was criticizing the power rank after TL lost against IG & 1 game against secret and here we are lol. Just shows how desperate haters are to judge.ffs just enjoy the tournament...

TL writers are the best in the business

The SC2 writers could learn a thing or 2 from the dota ones

Like what? Passion for the game?

(I'm just kidding I know you guys get busy)

I dunno. I never read the articles, i just like to give them shit.

You should try reading some of the SC2 writers' stuff. Some of them are pretty good at what they do.

S/o to mizenhauer.

You are only reading the kpop fanfic though right
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 12 2017 21:40 GMT
#1599
Would you rather have Kuro or Bulba
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Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11082 Posts
August 12 2017 21:41 GMT
#1600
Honestly, love how many heroes are viable in the game right now.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
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