Is there a decent way to counter bash? I'm getting better at trying to hardcarry when my team is weak, getting good damage, BKB etc and just try to really turn fights. I'm having good results so far, except when my enemies get bash. Since it goes through BKB, it feels like there's nothing you can do if they focus you and your team can't get them off, even with BKB you're never allowed to leverage your massive dps, so even if the team is quite a lot weaker, I can't hit them enough.

Is there any decent way to handle your opponents if you see them go for stuns? I realize butterfly is a good option, more misses = less bashes, but if you're someone like Sven or Chaos Knight, that's obviously not a superb option. Should I in this case go something like Halberd, or is the only option to hope your team stop sucking?

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

February 04 2014 19:37 GMT

#15382

Butterfly 6th item is actually fine on Str carries. If you're not that farmed, Halberd is good too.

Tobberoth

Sweden6375 Posts

February 04 2014 19:38 GMT

#15383

Another simple question, I heard you should be able to see more info about abilities if you hold ALT as you hover over them, but this doesn't seem to work for me. Is this a key I have to setup in the menu, or the console?

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

February 04 2014 19:38 GMT

#15384

Yeah evasion is the optimal choice. Note that butterfly is actually not the worst on CK as weird as that sounds but halberd makes the most sense by far. Part of playing a good carry is knowing when you don't need another damage item but rather an item that will allow you to do damage (BKB, Halberd, Satanic, Whatever). Halberding their basher hero doesn't stop you getting abyssal'd but its pretty good.

You can also just buy abyssal yourself and abyssal their carry.

E: Yango'd

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

February 04 2014 19:42 GMT

#15385

Honestly though, in many cases, just being survivable is the answer here. Remember that Basher's utility comes at the cost of the fact that in terms of DPS stats/cost, Basher provides very little in the way of damage. Unless the enemy already had a lot of damage before getting bash, you should usually be able to just tank the damage if you got raw cost-efficient stats on your items.

Qbek

Poland12923 Posts

February 04 2014 19:47 GMT

#15386

On February 05 2014 04:38 Tobberoth wrote:
Another simple question, I heard you should be able to see more info about abilities if you hold ALT as you hover over them, but this doesn't seem to work for me. Is this a key I have to setup in the menu, or the console?

Some abilities don,t have any additional info, it shows in green text and i don't think it is rebindable, but it might share the function with say ping

TyroneSlothrop

12 Posts

February 05 2014 04:00 GMT

#15387

On February 05 2014 04:38 Tobberoth wrote:
Another simple question, I heard you should be able to see more info about abilities if you hold ALT as you hover over them, but this doesn't seem to work for me. Is this a key I have to setup in the menu, or the console?

Keep holding alt and move between the abilities/items. It doesn't change a tooltip that is already being displayed.

Tobberoth

Sweden6375 Posts

February 05 2014 07:58 GMT

#15388

On February 05 2014 04:47 Qbek wrote:

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Some abilities don,t have any additional info, it shows in green text and i don't think it is rebindable, but it might share the function with say ping

Yup, turns out that all the heroes I have tried it on had no extra info. Played Phoenix yesterday and finally got the extra info on Q.

Kraznaya

United States3711 Posts

February 05 2014 18:02 GMT

#15389

what situation do i actually go mael on potm instead of yasha drum or deso

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

February 05 2014 18:03 GMT

#15390

When you only wish to rice aka when ur misplaying potm badly

Kraznaya

United States3711 Posts

February 05 2014 18:04 GMT

#15391

ya i never feel like i want that item when im playing her but i see pros get it a lot (including sing)

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

February 05 2014 18:09 GMT

#15392

Doesn't sing usually go manta before mael or something?

Yasha's kinda just always the most cost efficient. Drums sux now unless you can't afford anything else. Deso's pretty situational.

Qbek

Poland12923 Posts

February 05 2014 18:43 GMT

#15393

When you feel like getting some rngg, get mealstrom, 120 damage nuke will let you kill people within 5 sec of arrow more reliably. Also when you need to do dps as second core, mealstrom is the best compromise between farming and dps

tauon

Australia1278 Posts

February 06 2014 00:11 GMT

#15394

On February 06 2014 03:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
Doesn't sing usually go manta before mael or something?

Yasha's kinda just always the most cost efficient. Drums sux now unless you can't afford anything else. Deso's pretty situational.

Why does drum suck? It seems better now then in the last patch. 75g more for an extra drum charge seems like it is good value.

mizU

United States12125 Posts

February 06 2014 00:32 GMT

#15395

On February 06 2014 03:04 Kraznaya wrote:
ya i never feel like i want that item when im playing her but i see pros get it a lot (including sing)

Maelstrom helps you push/farm a lot faster as you won't have the mana sustainability to spam starfall anyway.
It's good to get if the other team is ignoring you and you can just take towers then rejoin your team to teamfight with close to full mana.

iokke

United States1179 Posts

February 06 2014 02:27 GMT

#15396

Does TA win mid vs Kunkka? I just had that matchup, being Kunkka, and was promptly explained by TA that my place is next to the tower. The guy was better than me overall, but I'm just curious if I lost mid badly just cause he was that much better, or if the matchup was as rough as it felt

evilfatsh1t

Australia8916 Posts

February 06 2014 03:21 GMT

#15397

yes. ta will win mid vs kunkka. kunkkas strength comes in being able to deal constant harrass without having to actually hit the hero. doesnt work against refraction so...hes just a big creep

Jinxed

United States6450 Posts

February 06 2014 05:04 GMT

#15398

not really, you just have to alter your skills a bit. 2 on x and 2 on torrent is the build against TA ever since they fixed it so torrent does multiple instances of damage. It won't guarantee a win, but it's better than max tidebringer against TA. After that it's about how you play it.