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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On January 30 2014 23:11 alQahira wrote: So even if it says "This game is safe to leave" due to a late abandonment and you leave it will affect your MMR? "Safe to leave" just means you won't get an abandon if you quit. You still get a loss if your team loses. | ||
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
On January 31 2014 00:07 StoRm_res wrote: Nope he was right. because it depends on the skill and has nothing to do with the ultimate, I mean there are also ultimates that dont go through bkb (ravage for example) and there are skills that are not ultimates that go through bkb (enfeeble comes to mind). Of course, since ultimates are the strongest spells with the highest cooldowns, a lot of ultimate spells go through bkb, but it has nothing to do with them being an ultimate On January 30 2014 11:06 rredtooth wrote: AFAIK most targeting ultimates allow targeting through BKB. Some pierce for full effect (LC) while others apply CC but not damage (Pudge, Bane). There are only a few targeting ultimates (Lion and Lina come to mind) that can't even target through BKB. edit: Morphling was the only other one I could find that cannot target through BKB. edit2: To add to the confusion, Morphling can target through allied BKBs but not enemy BKBs. even Lina and Lion could previously target through BKB until it was patched. Source (fixed in 6.71) | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
An ability being an ultimate (or not being an ultimate) is realistically not a good way to determine how it interacts with BKB whatsoever so people should discard that notion entirely. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 30 2014 23:09 Rhyme wrote: http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197761#UA Ability Interactions Magic Immune units can't be targeted or won't be affected by most of the abilities. I will explain the exceptions on three sections. + Show Spoiler + Universal Abilities Ultimate Abilities Abilities that have their "Stats - Required Level" value set to higher than 1, will be recognized as an ultimate ability by game engine. Required Level value only available on Hero Abilities' settings, however if you convert an ultimate ability to a unit ability, it will conserve it's ultimate property. Even if you can target your ultimate, damage of the ability may be nullified by Magic Immunity. However other effects like slow, stun will still affect the unit. Centaur's Hoof Stomp is based on War Stomp just like Reverse Polarity. Even though both doesn't do any damage to Magic Immune units because of the Damage Type, Reverse Polarity is able to stun them where Hoof Stomp isn't. an ability being an ultimate is one of the criteria for being magic-immunity piercing When that refers to "Ultimate", its referring to the Warcraft 3 ability property, not the actual game concept. DotA has skills that are flagged as ultimates that aren't, and skills that aren't flagged as ultimates that are. So for the purpose of trying to make a rule, that article is meaningless. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
the items i get are vanguard, arcane boots, heart of tarrasque, blink dagger but i'm not sure of what to get afterwards. i tend to get something like desolator or skullbasher for added damage after the items i mentioned. pipe of insight if lot of casters. get another vanguard to tank more? satanic? its fun getting 5+ kills early game but i get melted by carries later. is there way to get more damage out of axe late game? dagon? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
When you get to the point where you want to buy an expensive item you should be thinking about things that will help your team, like shivas and AC. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
This hero is basically a ranged Lycan. Your lane presence is better thanks to Metamorphosis and Reflection, though you'll need something to set it up. Your teamfight is better since you have Reflection and can use your ranged form or even just your illusions to do the fighting. You can push towers more safely since you, again, can use your ranged form or let your illusions do the work. Sunder means they'll need two or three people to gank you, which is similar to Lycan. Your jungling is problematic at start and slower than Lycan's, you'll probably want start in the lane. You're not as good at Roshing because you can't use your illusions to attack Rosh unlike Lycan's wolves. Metamorphosis has a long cd so your full pushing potential isn't always available. If you go for full splitpushing I'd get Basi, normal boots, Drums are situational. Your core item is Manta, definitely not SnY. Next up would be BoT, Skadi, Butterfly, BKB in whatever order seems best. If you need to fight because then I'd say you should finish your Treads, get Drums or two bracers if you're doing badly, then get BKB and Manta. A Mask of Death works for sustaining jungling since your DPS is fairly high, you have 982743 armor and can afford the occasional illusion to tank for you. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Hows this a Simple Question/Answer? | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On January 31 2014 05:52 Sn0_Man wrote: Terrorblade bears no resemblance whatsoever to lycan lol. Hows this a Simple Question/Answer? your question is simple... | ||
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
On January 31 2014 05:52 Sn0_Man wrote: Terrorblade bears no resemblance whatsoever to lycan lol. Ofcourse he does, I'm talking about the playstyle. He's one of 3 pushing carries in Dota (not splitpushing carries mind you). Killing towers is what he does best, like Lycan and Lone Druid. You prefer not to teamfight at all because that's simply not your forte unless youre stacked and have BKB. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Rhyme
United States1069 Posts
On January 31 2014 04:00 TheYango wrote: When that refers to "Ultimate", its referring to the Warcraft 3 ability property, not the actual game concept. DotA has skills that are flagged as ultimates that aren't, and skills that aren't flagged as ultimates that are. So for the purpose of trying to make a rule, that article is meaningless. i'm aware of what it means, and the article is not meaningless. it gives insight into why some ultimates are magic-immune piercing. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On January 31 2014 07:06 Sn0_Man wrote: He has 1 ability that could be described as a pushing ability lol and its a "make illusion" ability so by that logic Naga and PL are pushing carries. Naga and PL are absolutely splitpush carries. | ||
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Jaeger
United States1150 Posts
On January 31 2014 08:34 hariooo wrote: Naga and PL are absolutely splitpush carries. On January 31 2014 07:03 AwfuL_ wrote: (not splitpushing carries mind you) | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
All pushing carries are splitpushing carries. Unless you think the Lycan killing your tower in front of you and the Lycan killing your tower way over yonder are different. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 31 2014 09:00 hariooo wrote: Unless you think the Lycan killing your tower in front of you and the Lycan killing your tower way over yonder are different. Well they are in that Lycan is a strong teamfighter with his first major item, so is not afraid to force a fight in the process of taking towers. Carry Naga and PL don't have this option. They split-push because they CAN'T fight, while Lycan WANTS to fight. TB is somewhat closer to Naga/PL in this regard. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On January 31 2014 09:17 TheYango wrote: Well they are in that Lycan is a strong teamfighter with his first major item, so is not afraid to force a fight in the process of taking towers. Carry Naga and PL don't have this option. They split-push because they CAN'T fight, while Lycan WANTS to fight. TB is somewhat closer to Naga/PL in this regard. I don't see how that in any way argues the point. Pushing carries can be splitpushing carries but not necessarily the other way around. | ||
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
On January 31 2014 10:03 hariooo wrote: I don't see how that in any way argues the point. Pushing carries can be splitpushing carries but not necessarily the other way around. Why couldn't a splitpushing hero just join a push O and btw I think your metagaming yourself too much | ||
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