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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
December 29 2013 23:33 GMT
#14621
On December 30 2013 05:13 billy5000 wrote:
Can you spot where kunkka's torrent will be as the opponent?

you can see the general direction but thats it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
December 30 2013 07:38 GMT
#14622
How do you itemize a position 1 Slark? What timings should you aim for in the mid game, and what items are good on him super late?
Resisty
Profile Joined December 2011
United States375 Posts
December 30 2013 08:29 GMT
#14623
Is CM Frostbite still bugged in scaling? I think it was 2/3/3/4 ticks?
Humans are greedy, therefore they are human.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8915 Posts
December 30 2013 08:39 GMT
#14624
On December 30 2013 16:38 Whole wrote:
How do you itemize a position 1 Slark? What timings should you aim for in the mid game, and what items are good on him super late?

well he has a natural linkens,heart and undetectable windwalk. get him a bkb and he is pretty much unkillable, skadi gives him great stats, killing power and survivability, heart also makes him very hard to bring down. abyssal and butterfly give great damage too. slark is a snowball hero and so you wouldnt aim to get items by a particular minute mark like with am or morphling.
GtC
Profile Joined August 2013
United States546 Posts
December 30 2013 09:42 GMT
#14625
On December 30 2013 17:29 Resisty wrote:
Is CM Frostbite still bugged in scaling? I think it was 2/3/3/4 ticks?

Yup
The Turtle Moves
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
December 30 2013 10:11 GMT
#14626
On December 30 2013 16:38 Whole wrote:
How do you itemize a position 1 Slark? What timings should you aim for in the mid game, and what items are good on him super late?


it depends on the composition you're playing against
if the other team has a lot of stuns, get a bkb or you'll get chain stunned before you can ult
normally midgame you need mana regen or some kind of int to boost your mana pool
i like to build orchid, it's really good offensively and helps your mana problems

then you'll either want to go for a damage item or defensive item depending on how team fights are going
if you're getting focused a lot, go for a bkb or a str item that'll boost your hp like going s&y

if you're getting kills and avoiding death (with your ult or team's heal) go for damage like a basher
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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
December 30 2013 11:49 GMT
#14627
Is it possible to differentiate between illusions and real heroes solely based on stats?
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
December 30 2013 12:14 GMT
#14628
afaik illusions dont gain mana from basilius/roa
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 30 2013 15:50 GMT
#14629
arcanes on support potm, good or not?
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
December 30 2013 16:11 GMT
#14630
On December 31 2013 00:50 Targe wrote:
arcanes on support potm, good or not?


if your team has no other arcane carriers, yes, if not she benefits a lot more from treads or phase boots and mana problems can be rectified with other items
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 16:18:58
December 30 2013 16:18 GMT
#14631
awesome thanks, i was wondering cos arcanes let you pump out arrows non stop. what items would you recommend?
for the mana problems
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8915 Posts
December 30 2013 16:23 GMT
#14632
bottle
support potm normally means roaming potm, and roaming potms should be camping runes every 2mins.
alternatives are drums, ring of basilius (not enough but better than nothing) and core items such as diffusal or manta.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 30 2013 16:27 GMT
#14633
drums, diffusal or manta would take quite a while without cs wouldnt it? sounds like bottle is a good choice if you dont already have a bottle carrier
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8915 Posts
December 30 2013 16:34 GMT
#14634
On December 31 2013 01:27 Targe wrote:
drums, diffusal or manta would take quite a while without cs wouldnt it? sounds like bottle is a good choice if you dont already have a bottle carrier

even with a bottle carrier such as mid, if the rune doesnt spawn at the spot youre camping, the mid can go for it. if he cant get it then he can always resort to bottle crowing. theres nothing wrong with having multiple bottle carriers in one team
as for core items, potm has 2 nukes and an escape. at the very least you should be racking up assists and surviving more fights compared to your usual support. that alone will give you enough to buy core items by the ~25min mark, maybe even earlier. if you spend your time wisely and farm empty lanes/jungles when you can, while getting the occasional kill in fights, you will find that even as a roaming potm you can end up with lategame items. ive had many games where ive started off as a support but ended up with enough items to switch farm distribution and take over the carry role
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 30 2013 16:39 GMT
#14635
yeah youre right, i just noticed that i was able to build core items in every roaming mirana game bar 1 where i only got drums

thanks guys
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 18:59:02
December 30 2013 18:58 GMT
#14636
On December 29 2013 11:05 eekmice wrote:
Who counters razor or what kind of heroes synergize well in shutting him down?

Edit. Thinking about it a while I assume it is(are) heroes that do a lot of burst damage and/or stun like lion. Although I'd appreciate other input.


If you're playing 1v1 against him in laning phase, Windrunner/Potm and some other guys can handle him pretty well because he's very slow without tier 2 boots and some passive stacks. He can't just drain them and even if you're drained, you basically can hit 1-2 spells while link is alive, clear wave, get your bottle/boots and slain him.

If you're playing 2v2 or 3v3 against Razor as main carry on trilane, focus on supports. Get them asap if you're fighting and then try to lockdown Razor with removing of drained target. If he's not getting any stuff like Vanguard/pt/bkb/scepter, he's pretty useless. I remember old Razor with frenzy and chain lightning, but it's not it :D
Guys like Visage, Abaddon or Venomancer can shut down him pretty well in this lane.

Main weakness of Razor is his late game, so if you're not behind in mid game and want to transition to late, you won't have any problems except protecting your supports who don't have reliable escapes.
Good luck!
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billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
December 31 2013 08:34 GMT
#14637
How come phantom lancer isn't played competitively compared to other hard carries? Is there a weakness that I'm not aware of other than the fact that most hard carries are vulnerable to being shut down early game?
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
theslayer922
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada304 Posts
December 31 2013 10:09 GMT
#14638
On December 31 2013 17:34 billy5000 wrote:
How come phantom lancer isn't played competitively compared to other hard carries? Is there a weakness that I'm not aware of other than the fact that most hard carries are vulnerable to being shut down early game?


The current focus in the meta-game revolves around a multi-core line-up with supports that leave the lane and gank the solo lanes. PL is a hero that needs a lot of space to be effective. As a melee hero, he needs constant babysitting from the supports. With the nerf to the pull camp along with the shorter night time, this really uses up the support's most important resource: time. On top of that, even if he does get the space, a multi-core lineup usually scales better into the late-game than a solo pushing PL. In addition, he does not offer anything to the team in the mid-game such as Luna's eclipse, Tiny Wisp relocate ganks or insane pushing power like a 1 role pugna. Oh and Meracle's split-pushing Naga outclasses PL.

TL;DR He's weak mid-game, needs too much farm and is a solo-core kind of hero.
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billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
December 31 2013 10:58 GMT
#14639
On December 31 2013 19:09 theslayer922 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 17:34 billy5000 wrote:
How come phantom lancer isn't played competitively compared to other hard carries? Is there a weakness that I'm not aware of other than the fact that most hard carries are vulnerable to being shut down early game?


The current focus in the meta-game revolves around a multi-core line-up with supports that leave the lane and gank the solo lanes. PL is a hero that needs a lot of space to be effective. As a melee hero, he needs constant babysitting from the supports. With the nerf to the pull camp along with the shorter night time, this really uses up the support's most important resource: time. On top of that, even if he does get the space, a multi-core lineup usually scales better into the late-game than a solo pushing PL. In addition, he does not offer anything to the team in the mid-game such as Luna's eclipse, Tiny Wisp relocate ganks or insane pushing power like a 1 role pugna. Oh and Meracle's split-pushing Naga outclasses PL.

TL;DR He's weak mid-game, needs too much farm and is a solo-core kind of hero.


I was actually curious because I've seen a few times when antimage was picked in recent competitions. I emphasize "few times" because I agree with what you're saying. But why is antimage one of the few melee carries who's picked in tournaments other than others (I meant to use phantom lancer as an example). Is this because antimage is better at teamfights due to mobility and at the same time the option to split push if need be?
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8915 Posts
December 31 2013 11:38 GMT
#14640
On December 31 2013 19:58 billy5000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 19:09 theslayer922 wrote:
On December 31 2013 17:34 billy5000 wrote:
How come phantom lancer isn't played competitively compared to other hard carries? Is there a weakness that I'm not aware of other than the fact that most hard carries are vulnerable to being shut down early game?


The current focus in the meta-game revolves around a multi-core line-up with supports that leave the lane and gank the solo lanes. PL is a hero that needs a lot of space to be effective. As a melee hero, he needs constant babysitting from the supports. With the nerf to the pull camp along with the shorter night time, this really uses up the support's most important resource: time. On top of that, even if he does get the space, a multi-core lineup usually scales better into the late-game than a solo pushing PL. In addition, he does not offer anything to the team in the mid-game such as Luna's eclipse, Tiny Wisp relocate ganks or insane pushing power like a 1 role pugna. Oh and Meracle's split-pushing Naga outclasses PL.

TL;DR He's weak mid-game, needs too much farm and is a solo-core kind of hero.


I was actually curious because I've seen a few times when antimage was picked in recent competitions. I emphasize "few times" because I agree with what you're saying. But why is antimage one of the few melee carries who's picked in tournaments other than others (I meant to use phantom lancer as an example). Is this because antimage is better at teamfights due to mobility and at the same time the option to split push if need be?

for starters anti mage is pretty decent at 1v1, so doesnt require as much babysitting as pl. hes also more mobile like you said, so can accomplish objectives quicker and farm faster. he comes online earlier than pl (bfury+manta in under 25mins). he also synergises better with heroes in multi core lineups. pl is usually a 4 protect 1 scenario until he gets enough items to push with illusions alone, whereas antimage doesnt need any babysitting once he gets his bfury. overall antimage is just more versatile
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