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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
December 28 2013 05:49 GMT
#14601
On December 28 2013 14:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2013 14:43 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:
On December 28 2013 11:28 saltywet wrote:
On December 28 2013 00:39 Comeh wrote:
On December 27 2013 12:11 TripleOSeven wrote:
Can one hero use two necro books at the same time? Or would using one of them make both books go on cooldown.

Zet technically can use two necrobooks, but he only has to buy one necro because of his ultimate.

Hopefully he doesn't get added any time soon.


What would happen if Zet gets two necrobooks and refresher?

necro -> ult -> ult necro -> ult refresher -> ult refresh necro necro -> refresh -> refresh necro -> ult 2 -> ult 2 necro -> ult 2 refresh -> ult 2 refresh necro

=6 necrobook summons from one hero???


Zet Ults
Zet1 first necro -> Necro spawn
Zet2 first necro -> Necro spawn
Zet1 refresher, necro -> First necro units die, new necro spawn.
Zet 2 refresher, necro -> First necro units die, new necro spawn.

End result:
2 Zets, both necros on CD, both refreshers on CD, 2 necro summon sets.


You can't copy refresher orb.


Actually true. Logic still stands though I made a mistake in that it seems that the two zet clones can only own and operate 1 book. So, 2 necro summon sets? Tbh Zet mechanics confuse the heck outta me.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 06:01:28
December 28 2013 05:52 GMT
#14602
On December 28 2013 14:49 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2013 14:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On December 28 2013 14:43 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:
On December 28 2013 11:28 saltywet wrote:
On December 28 2013 00:39 Comeh wrote:
On December 27 2013 12:11 TripleOSeven wrote:
Can one hero use two necro books at the same time? Or would using one of them make both books go on cooldown.

Zet technically can use two necrobooks, but he only has to buy one necro because of his ultimate.

Hopefully he doesn't get added any time soon.


What would happen if Zet gets two necrobooks and refresher?

necro -> ult -> ult necro -> ult refresher -> ult refresh necro necro -> refresh -> refresh necro -> ult 2 -> ult 2 necro -> ult 2 refresh -> ult 2 refresh necro

=6 necrobook summons from one hero???


Zet Ults
Zet1 first necro -> Necro spawn
Zet2 first necro -> Necro spawn
Zet1 refresher, necro -> First necro units die, new necro spawn.
Zet 2 refresher, necro -> First necro units die, new necro spawn.

End result:
2 Zets, both necros on CD, both refreshers on CD, 2 necro summon sets.


You can't copy refresher orb.


Actually true. Logic still stands though I made a mistake in that it seems that the two zet clones can only own and operate 1 book. So, 2 necro summon sets? Tbh Zet mechanics confuse the heck outta me.


Unless it is hardcoded to work that way then the clones should each get their own books. Unless it has been changed it does indeed work the way I posted. There is the part to consider that it shouldn't be possible to get that much gold before winning the game though. Double necro is pretty broken ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
December 28 2013 05:59 GMT
#14603
I think Zet mechanics confuse icefrog.
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 20:13:48
December 28 2013 20:11 GMT
#14604
Visage often gets tons of kills/assists does tons of dmg etc as a support with little farm. Would he benefit from playing a 2-3 role at all or is it waste because of how much he can already do?

And my question is with regards mainly to pro games.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 28 2013 20:16 GMT
#14605
Zet just wins the game with Midas->Necro. After that you can get damage items because of how much gold you'll be getting.

Divine Rapier Zet is actually pretty funny because the clone gets a Rapier that doesn't drop on death.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8277 Posts
December 28 2013 22:00 GMT
#14606
On December 29 2013 05:16 TheYango wrote:
Zet just wins the game with Midas->Necro. After that you can get damage items because of how much gold you'll be getting.

Divine Rapier Zet is actually pretty funny because the clone gets a Rapier that doesn't drop on death.


Presumably blink/SB and BoT would be nice for splitpushing extreme v2.0 as well? Or is he better played elseway?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 28 2013 22:16 GMT
#14607
You don't need Blink+SB to splitpush because you just leave your clone and 4 necros and leave. There's no reason to put yourself in danger really.
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dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
December 28 2013 23:11 GMT
#14608
How do you deal with Doom as carry weaver?

Its just so frustrating to play against that I just will not pick weaver into doom anymore(allpick), but there has to be ways of dealing with it.
eekmice
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States373 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 02:23:30
December 29 2013 02:05 GMT
#14609
Who counters razor or what kind of heroes synergize well in shutting him down?

Edit. Thinking about it a while I assume it is(are) heroes that do a lot of burst damage and/or stun like lion. Although I'd appreciate other input.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
December 29 2013 02:27 GMT
#14610
On December 29 2013 08:11 dae wrote:
How do you deal with Doom as carry weaver?

Its just so frustrating to play against that I just will not pick weaver into doom anymore(allpick), but there has to be ways of dealing with it.


Linkens or euls/force
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
December 29 2013 02:40 GMT
#14611
linkens bkb aww yeah
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
December 29 2013 07:13 GMT
#14612
On December 29 2013 08:11 dae wrote:
How do you deal with Doom as carry weaver?

Its just so frustrating to play against that I just will not pick weaver into doom anymore(allpick), but there has to be ways of dealing with it.

I just go necro3 vyse vs Doom. Just try really hard to use the Necronomicon before getting Doomed, and then crawl away and hope the hp the item gives you lets you survive. The hex accepts that your personal dps is hopelessly behind and builds further utility for your team. I guess you could go AC instead too. Drum and/or Vlads and/or Shiva's might be decent options as well.
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
December 29 2013 07:56 GMT
#14613
You would build Necronomicon and Scythe on a carry Weaver?
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
December 29 2013 17:05 GMT
#14614
Necrobook is good on every hero, hex probably not though
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
StoRm_res
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland891 Posts
December 29 2013 17:18 GMT
#14615
How does marksmanship interact with illusions?
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 29 2013 17:19 GMT
#14616
I think someone mentioned recently that illusions do not benefit at all from drows ult.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 29 2013 17:21 GMT
#14617
It used to be bugged for them to gain full benefit from it. Then it was fixed so that they gained only the static +stats portion of it and not the part that gets removed by proximity to an enemy. Then the whole skill was changed to be proximity based so illusions get zero benefit from Marksmanship.

It makes Manta on Drow really underwhelming.
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ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
December 29 2013 19:06 GMT
#14618
Is it not possible to surrender as 5 stack anymore by having everyone disconnect from the game? When we tried it today in ranked it didn't work.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
December 29 2013 20:13 GMT
#14619
Can you spot where kunkka's torrent will be as the opponent?
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
December 29 2013 20:14 GMT
#14620
On December 30 2013 05:13 billy5000 wrote:
Can you spot where kunkka's torrent will be as the opponent?

No
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