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On September 21 2013 02:17 govie wrote:
Im trying some stuff out, but dont have much experience so i thought i ask on TL if my build for phantomlancer could work. I know diffusal blade is standard but i find it not good for late game. im looking for a nice stats/illusion build for PL

Early to mid : Wand --> Powerthreads --> Eye of skadi (Skadi gives 4 usefull stats that are copied on the illusion and the passive is very usefull passive)

Mid to late : Manta --> Etheral blade --> Butterfly (manta gives more illusions that can make more illusions, etheral blade has best stats and a nice active, then butterfly for evasion which is usefull for illusions and more stats!)

Late : Heat of terrasque (too much money = more health en regen to stay longer in battle)

Could it work, thx?

On September 21 2013 02:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
Crit always beats MKB unless evasion/miss chance of some variety (or unless you already have crit but even then it often still wins).

Deso is rarely compared since its 1.5K cheaper that the other options and scales varyingly depending on your target's armor, not just your damage.

Mjollnir is kinda uncommon these days on carries since if you need IAS the common items are Butterfly on agi carries and AC on other carries.

However, it shouldn't be *too* hard to make your own spreadsheet.

DPS = (BAT divided by (100 + IAS)/100)*(Damage per hit + (crit chance * crit damage) + (proc damage * proc chance)) all reduced by enemy armor, damage block and magic resist in the case of mjollnir.

On September 19 2013 00:40 TheYango wrote:
Because that's how it worked in Warcraft 3--it was hard-coded into the engine.

DotA 2 simply replicates those mechanics.

On September 21 2013 03:00 danl9rm wrote:


Also, windrunner's ability is similar. If she activates her windrun skill (whatever it's called) after you launch an attack, it will still connect, if I remember correctly.

On September 21 2013 02:43 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:


Skadi costs almost 6,500 gold. To rush it as your first item, especially as a PL guarantees that you will be useless to your team for the first 20-25 minutes of the game. The orb, while useful, does not transfer to illusions. In reality, a diffusal blade accomplishes what you're trying to do a lot better. It offers no survivability, but in terms of pure damage output, a diffusal is far superior, as the mana burn applies to all your illusions as well. The purge works just as well, if not better than skadi slow as you can use it from range, and you also have your lance to slow when it wears off. By that time you and your illusions should have already purged your target from existence (har har). When paired with another early game item like drums, you have added a decent amount of survivability and early fight capability for 1,500 gold less than the skadi, allowing you to both fight earlier and make more of a difference.

Manta is fine, more illusions is lovely. Etheral blade however makes little sense. PL has a crap ton of agility yes, and popping the etheral blade would do a ton of damage. But it also has the effect of making your target unattackable by your illusions. This is where your damage output comes from. In the 3 seconds that your target is etheral, you could have done many times the damage of the nuke simply by whacking him with you and your illusions. Skip this. Butterfly is good on just about any agility carry, so this is fine.

Heart is a great item. It significantly increases the difficulty of killing your illusions, which lets them do damage longer. Your illusions are your primary source of damage, so increasing their survivability is very important. It's often worth picking this up as your second major item, ie after your diffusal.

Of course if you're looking to just rice for 40 minutes, then you might be better off going something like yasha -> diffusal or even a straight radiance rush.

Skadi comes online at ~7K gold and thus the same time as phase/ Vanguard/ Diffusal Blade. You suddenly have a very strong (BKB penetrating!) anti-carry and chasing presence along with some very nice stats -- all of which are appreciated. The slow provides the incentive needed for them to actually rightclick or disable you. Skadi's +25 agility actually gives the same DPS as diffusal, while also adding tons of mana and durability far ahead of vanguard. It's also a tier-4 item so you're not giving yourself a best by date with vanguard (bad item with irrelevant damage block by 25 minutes, prevents use of RoH/vitality booster in a T4 item) and diffusal (blocked by BKB, blocks non-vlads lifesteal, not good once enemies have 1000+ mana).

On September 21 2013 02:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
Mjollnir is kinda uncommon these days on carries since if you need IAS the common items are Butterfly on agi carries and AC on other carries.

On September 21 2013 03:25 Comeh wrote:
Skadi just makes you too useless early game. The nice thing about PL is that his early game fighting isn't that bad compared to other agi hard carries - he is particularly decent around level 7, so items like drums are really effective, as they are generally just a good item for him, and that it helps him fight a lot early game. This will continue into more fights when he grabs diffusal.

Skadi really doesn't do much, even when its done. Maybe as a third item its okay, but I'd usually recommend against it.

On September 21 2013 05:10 TheYango wrote:
PL has strong laning/harassment ability at level 7 with some basic laning items. This does not mean he is good at *fighting* at that level. In the majority of cases, nojok is correct--if one of those heroes chose to man-fight PL on similar farm at level 7, PL would most likely lose.

On September 21 2013 05:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
Short answer: no
Long answer: very no