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its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-23 13:20:34
March 23 2018 13:13 GMT
#4981
Pos5 LeBron, Pos4 General, Pos3 Dendi, Pos2 LIL, Pos1 Crystalize could work?
And force LeBron to captain or remove him, unfair but this is how it is.
Problem they will find no captain if the managment will only stand behind Dendi and his decisions.
They nearly made it with rodjer and sonneiko, but fucked up with diva Dendi again.

€dit: LIL Pos1 is also fine, i am impressed and suprised they adapted that fast?
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
March 23 2018 13:25 GMT
#4982
Ok, they are just trying stuff, probably a change is coming

there's no reason for this draft lol
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
March 23 2018 13:32 GMT
#4983
i kinda love that psm is raping navi lmao, there's some poetry there
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
_Elendil
Profile Joined July 2016
Italy192 Posts
March 23 2018 14:06 GMT
#4984
What the hell is happening. Why these pics.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
March 23 2018 14:23 GMT
#4985
If i have to take a guess

meme draft before changes, otherwise i dont know, even if they are trying stuff they just would not work
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
_Elendil
Profile Joined July 2016
Italy192 Posts
March 23 2018 14:26 GMT
#4986
Well, this costed them the qual to a major. It's just plain stupid.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
March 23 2018 14:46 GMT
#4987
Agree, but that's my what i think because even with lil/lebron they were drafting decently well, these last 2 drafts were downright awful, too big of a change in no time
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
BigO
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden956 Posts
March 23 2018 15:05 GMT
#4988
As much as I love Dendi, if Navi are gonna do some rebuilding, I hope they build around Crystalize since he obviously is the best player on Navi right now.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
March 23 2018 16:19 GMT
#4989
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
March 23 2018 16:41 GMT
#4990
he probably still does, even bad publicity is good publicity
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
RubickPicker
Profile Joined October 2015
United States332 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-23 18:00:01
March 23 2018 17:52 GMT
#4991
People talk about Dendi pos5 but I don't think they realize that last hitting is like the one mechanical thing Dendi is really great at, and the flaws come from non-mechanical senses that a support needs.

Dendi should follow S4 and Sumail's lead and go offlane, really. Guys who have really good fundamental mechanics seem to thrive over there once they get used to the adjustment. People like Dendi and Iceiceice who were top tier at mid when it was a roaming playmaker role seem to eventually drift to offlane because of it's heavy focus on space creation and harassment.
* N U K E D *
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
March 23 2018 18:34 GMT
#4992
On March 24 2018 00:05 BigO wrote:
As much as I love Dendi, if Navi are gonna do some rebuilding, I hope they build around Crystalize since he obviously is the best player on Navi right now.


I kind of agree, at least with your statement that Crystalize is their best player, however I think its better to model teams around the captain, provided he is a good one. Carriers dont like to change their play style which could pigeonhole teams into playing a certain style, those should be captains and/or capable players who can quickly devise or adapt new strategies. So in that sense, if NaVi gets a new capable captain, the team should be built around that person. I think any captain would love to have someone like Crystalize, he has a bright future, but the remaining 3 players of NaVi ... not so much. Perhaps General still has some juice left in him, but not sure about the other 2.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
March 23 2018 21:14 GMT
#4993
General is still good, but he lacks that extra aggressive support.
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 04:46:09
March 24 2018 04:44 GMT
#4994
Why are people asking dendi to leave when clearly its the supports/leadership that is the problem. The 3 cores are OK the moment navi fixes the issue. Of course if dendi/general are in the way of a good captain joining or he insists to lead then OK they should go. Otherwise stop making dendi the scapegoat of navi issues.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 08:43:50
March 24 2018 08:40 GMT
#4995
On March 24 2018 13:44 DucK- wrote:
Why are people asking dendi to leave when clearly its the supports/leadership that is the problem. The 3 cores are OK the moment navi fixes the issue. Of course if dendi/general are in the way of a good captain joining or he insists to lead then OK they should go. Otherwise stop making dendi the scapegoat of navi issues.

I think it's a fair question to ask what Dendi is bringing to the table, considering he's been the sole constant in the last 4 years. Even if he's not the problem, he hasn't been the solution either.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
March 24 2018 09:09 GMT
#4996
On March 24 2018 17:40 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 13:44 DucK- wrote:
Why are people asking dendi to leave when clearly its the supports/leadership that is the problem. The 3 cores are OK the moment navi fixes the issue. Of course if dendi/general are in the way of a good captain joining or he insists to lead then OK they should go. Otherwise stop making dendi the scapegoat of navi issues.

I think it's a fair question to ask what Dendi is bringing to the table, considering he's been the sole constant in the last 4 years. Even if he's not the problem, he hasn't been the solution either.

Duck- has a point. Before the swap NaVi was doing good and getting better. All that wasn't just Rodjer, the team was playing better. They lost their po4 and their captain and now the cores are bad?
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
March 24 2018 10:19 GMT
#4997
On March 24 2018 18:09 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 17:40 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On March 24 2018 13:44 DucK- wrote:
Why are people asking dendi to leave when clearly its the supports/leadership that is the problem. The 3 cores are OK the moment navi fixes the issue. Of course if dendi/general are in the way of a good captain joining or he insists to lead then OK they should go. Otherwise stop making dendi the scapegoat of navi issues.

I think it's a fair question to ask what Dendi is bringing to the table, considering he's been the sole constant in the last 4 years. Even if he's not the problem, he hasn't been the solution either.

Duck- has a point. Before the swap NaVi was doing good and getting better. All that wasn't just Rodjer, the team was playing better. They lost their po4 and their captain and now the cores are bad?

Good's a fairly relative term, and it all depends on who they want to be competitive with. I'd say their GESC games against Fnatic were about on par with the wins they strung together late last year, but as per every season more and more teams start stepping it up the closer TI comes.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
March 24 2018 10:21 GMT
#4998
On March 24 2018 13:44 DucK- wrote:
Of course if dendi/general are in the way of a good captain joining or he insists to lead then OK they should go.


But isnt this the problem the last years?
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
March 25 2018 17:44 GMT
#4999
Dondo on the last loss:

https://twitter.com/natusvincere/status/977903948093943808?s=19
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
March 25 2018 18:43 GMT
#5000
On March 24 2018 18:09 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 17:40 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On March 24 2018 13:44 DucK- wrote:
Why are people asking dendi to leave when clearly its the supports/leadership that is the problem. The 3 cores are OK the moment navi fixes the issue. Of course if dendi/general are in the way of a good captain joining or he insists to lead then OK they should go. Otherwise stop making dendi the scapegoat of navi issues.

I think it's a fair question to ask what Dendi is bringing to the table, considering he's been the sole constant in the last 4 years. Even if he's not the problem, he hasn't been the solution either.

Duck- has a point. Before the swap NaVi was doing good and getting better. All that wasn't just Rodjer, the team was playing better. They lost their po4 and their captain and now the cores are bad?


The problem with Dendi is that no good player or captain wants to join the team because of him. Russian casters and esports figures have been talking about this for a long time. Even NaVi's CEO commented on it: "There is really no trust in Dendi, not only from fans but from players as well. We don’t know what to do in this situation right now.”

Duck- has every right to defend Dendi, I understand that, but consider this: NaVi models all their teams around him, he is basically their center piece, so why is he surprised that many are saying that, maybe just maybe, Dendi is the problem? For the record, I dont see him as the sole problem, but I do think he is part of the problem. Its a normal reaction by fans of the team rather than one of their players. Yes Dendi was a beast one time, he got praised for his skill, heck he was even deified by many people. If people accept praise when they are good then by the same principle they should accept being criticized when their skill falls off. No one should be above scrutiny, not even Dendi.
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