EPTNow we see how resilient their team dynamics are. Do they continue to follow Art's lead or go Lord of the Flies?
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
Now we see how resilient their team dynamics are. Do they continue to follow Art's lead or go Lord of the Flies? | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
Hope they can adjust. Seems like what is wrong would be hard to fix though. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
That game was not as frustrating to watch for me as most of the other ones, simply because they were facing Secret and mostly just got outplayed by a better team. The losses vs coL (esp the first one) and the throws yesterday looked much less "acceptable", so to speak. Well now they gotta accept the fact that (barring a miracle) they'll play from LB, try to relax, play solid and maybe experiment a bit until groups are over. I'd rather see them fail in group stages than in the final bracket tbh (though being low ranked will definitely make things more difficult for them anyway) | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
Sonneiko ES gave me goosebumps | ||
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Racket
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On July 29 2015 07:00 smr wrote: Never said I did expect that specific series to go that way. In fact I was positive about our chances to go 2-0 to start the day. thinking about those first two days I think what I'm missing is a specific own style. support ns seems to be abandoned (which i'm happy about), wyvern is now a pick that others teams do aswell and apart from the slardar it seems as if the team is mostly following trends. I always thought navi is strongest when drafting what they like instead of what the meta is. Maybe it's the same at the moment or it's just that the team isn't dominant enough anymore to get away with it but I feel that they would've done better if they brought a few unexpected things. LS, timber or such things that they did shine on in the past. I didn't meant to say you expected something, it was just a statement. Anyway, as always they lack of a way to deal with split push. First game against coL it wasn't even NS splitting but Lina... I guess the new meme will be pick NS ez win against NaVi. I hope they can get it together today and tomorrow, not for the points but for their own mental sanity. Better go into LB with the best mindset possible. Good luck guys. | ||
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V1ctor
Moldova1645 Posts
Well, they still have a chance to get to WB, but they need to 6-0 against LGD, Fnatic and IG. I still believe. | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On July 29 2015 16:00 V1ctor wrote: A 0-2 against Secret was expected, but a 0-2 again col was sad to see. Well, they still have a chance to get to WB, but they need to 6-0 against LGD, Fnatic and IG. I still believe. With a bit of luck (other teams failing a bit) 2 wins and a tie (vs LGD) may be enough. But I'm afraid that they are tilting really hard right now. | ||
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Alcor
Italy137 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
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Alcor
Italy137 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On July 30 2015 10:44 DucK- wrote: Sad that they are in lb. But I think navi fans can be proud because while results are banot optimal, navi has not been embarrassed. I mean this was basically all we could ask for most of this season. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
c9 game 1 and mvpp game 1 come to mind, we could have 7 points at this point if that happened im happy we are here  | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On July 30 2015 10:44 DucK- wrote: Sad that they are in lb. But I think navi fans can be proud because while results are banot optimal, navi has not been embarrassed. Still not out of it yet, if they can just play like they do for their best games, they can make a good lower bracket run. | ||
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V1ctor
Moldova1645 Posts
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Racket
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They know what heroes they can pick, they can perform good enough with them, their team fight is on par with many other teams BUT it seems to me they don't know how they want to get through the whole game. I mean, they pick this and this and that "we can pull off good fight with this and win lanes, great" and then comes the time when they should already know what to do but they always end up waiting for opportunities more than creating them with specific actions, and that is how they lose their advantage. I have seen many games where NaVi is trying to go high ground as five and they fail, in the same situation Secret would try to hold the opponent and choke them as four without even going high ground while the 5th is split pushing taking a tower or splitting their opponent and then go high ground. For me is clear that NaVi has the means to win almost any game but they don't know how to do it, if they knew, they would have not lost those four matches they were winning. Anyway, I am happy with what they are doing right now, given the year they had and the level of dota we see from everyone in TI5, even though they could have done better they are doing ok. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
i dont think the draft or laning stages were that bad, and even the mid game was decent, the real problem is finishing the games, knowing exactly what to do to end the game, they are having issues at that point. Game 1 agaisnt MVP and c9 come to mind. one of the games agaisnt LGD also. the team besides losing a lot is playing better, hopefully they see this and dont demoralize because of the results. | ||
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Alcor
Italy137 Posts
the game, tho, has changed a lot. Everybody shines in their "old" role, but they adapted to play even something else (Dendi CAN play mid farming heroes, if needed). xboct didn't. yesterday we saw sonnenko playing as a carry starting from pos 4 and well... he carried better than xboct in several other games. the last really great xboct game that i saw, where he carried the team, was the one w the lesh gank in rorsh pit during Ti qualifiers. in this TI he farms perfectly, but the pure hard carry role is not as performant as it was 2 years ago. and the games are won mainly from dendi+sonnenko rotations. he needs to update his play because when dendi is shut down he HAS to emerge and he's not doing it oh and that's even why they cant finish the games... the "pure" hard carry needs very long time to be ready, but the meta doesn't give it to him, so in the lategame na'vi is basically 4vs5 if they didn't stomp the midgame EDIT: that, and artstyle feeding :D :D | ||
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