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TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-17 02:46:29
October 17 2015 02:46 GMT
#1081
On October 17 2015 10:32 opterown wrote:
it's a discussion thread not a fan thread, no need to be positive all the time

yeah EG sucks and are washed up TI curse rtz is cancer kuroky was right memesmemes

Real talk I wish they'd beaten MB
rip
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 17 2015 03:01 GMT
#1082
They did fine with G1 draft. Then they decided to run SF/Razor/Lycan/Naga for whatever dumb reasons.

Feels like they just need to lose some more to realize that the other teams pick certain heroes for a reason. They should be fine once they start prioritizing the TA/QoP/Ember/Gyro/Necro picks that everyone else is.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 17 2015 06:42 GMT
#1083
On October 17 2015 12:01 WolfintheSheep wrote:
They did fine with G1 draft. Then they decided to run SF/Razor/Lycan/Naga for whatever dumb reasons.

Feels like they just need to lose some more to realize that the other teams pick certain heroes for a reason. They should be fine once they start prioritizing the TA/QoP/Ember/Gyro/Necro picks that everyone else is.

i think a lot of it is growing pains with rtz+sumail, and shifting their style of farm distribution from the old with aui to new with rtz. once ppd figures out a good style for this EG then they'll look a hell of a lot better.
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
October 17 2015 11:25 GMT
#1084
To be fair, they didnt add rtz like yesterday, one would think that ppd got that figured out months ago
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-17 11:43:38
October 17 2015 11:42 GMT
#1085
Aa this level of play, adapting takes a lil time.
As wolfinthesheep said, I think they just need some more games together, this was only theier 2 and 3 official game since TI, teams like Vega and Monkey has lik 20-30 Official games by now?
They are all some of the best players in their positions... With some time and practice they will shine ;-)
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
October 17 2015 11:42 GMT
#1086
I think the problem is that they never get to play competitive matches. I mean the extend of their practice this patch is scrimming against tier 2 NA teams, I hardly think that's enough to come into a tournament like this one and be comfortable.

"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-17 11:45:26
October 17 2015 11:44 GMT
#1087
And to be honest, with the amount of money they just won, and the small price pool of MLG compared to Frankfurt, they might just take this as practice anyway, trying new things and experimenting.
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
October 17 2015 14:35 GMT
#1088
i still think a huge part of the issue is ppd's drafting

but then you remember how eg performed last year out of dac and ti5 and you're like "do they even try outside of the biggest tournies"
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Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
October 17 2015 15:15 GMT
#1089
On October 17 2015 23:35 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
i still think a huge part of the issue is ppd's drafting

but then you remember how eg performed last year out of dac and ti5 and you're like "do they even try outside of the biggest tournies"

Well yeah the drafting is the problem, they keep on doing what worked before (and probably still work in their scrims against weaker teams) and get punished for it. SF is probably not a first pick anymore, especially on dire, razor is shit, naga is not good enough a support to justify a pick to counter the tombstone,etc

"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44282 Posts
October 17 2015 15:32 GMT
#1090
On October 17 2015 23:35 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
i still think a huge part of the issue is ppd's drafting

but then you remember how eg performed last year out of dac and ti5 and you're like "do they even try outside of the biggest tournies"

rofl

they probably need more serious energy on the team .. rtz definitely does not provide that dude so clowny
this is a quote
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
October 17 2015 16:09 GMT
#1091
On October 17 2015 23:35 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
i still think a huge part of the issue is ppd's drafting

but then you remember how eg performed last year out of dac and ti5 and you're like "do they even try outside of the biggest tournies"


EG does well in big tournaments because the longer formats give PPD time to adapt and shine. These quicker 2-3 day tournaments aren't as good for them because they typically always suck early on.

Also the fact that people are already flaming EG/stating that bringing Arteezy back was wrong is pretty laughable. They've barely played any games as a team in this patch. Tournaments like this are basically a way to practice for the majors and earn money. If they massively fail at the major it would be cause for concern. Like goody said earlier they've always lost to teams they probably shouldn't lose to. EG with aui got eliminated in a tournament by fucking london conspiracy and that version of EG sure turned out fine.

Nobody can be sure right now whether bringing Arteezy back was the right move or not, everyone needs to stop being so reactionary.
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
October 17 2015 17:16 GMT
#1092
On October 18 2015 00:32 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2015 23:35 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
i still think a huge part of the issue is ppd's drafting

but then you remember how eg performed last year out of dac and ti5 and you're like "do they even try outside of the biggest tournies"

rofl

they probably need more serious energy on the team .. rtz definitely does not provide that dude so clowny


I think he is way more serious in game then you seem to think , the guy seems in the zone while playing officials both in EG and Secret , i dont see him clowning around when its game time
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
October 17 2015 17:48 GMT
#1093
calm ur tits guys, ppd cares nothing for these measly mlgs and esls. this is fear and rtz's allotted screw up time so ppd finds out what they need to work on. it's all planned, when the big tournaments come eg's gonna own them with the same heroes they sucked at during esl and mlg.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-17 21:05:16
October 17 2015 21:04 GMT
#1094
measly mlgs and esls? that super arrogant, those are still important tournaments. or are we real sports now, where its only about big money? i think new eg is not as good. i also dont like support fear...
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
October 17 2015 21:35 GMT
#1095
On October 18 2015 06:04 hunter_x wrote:
measly mlgs and esls? that super arrogant, those are still important tournaments. or are we real sports now, where its only about big money? i think new eg is not as good. i also dont like support fear...

i was obviously exaggerating, guess i should've dropped some emoticons or something. and i'm not even an eg fan so i have no reason to be arrogant about this. but i do honestly think ppd didn't expect to do well in these tournaments and his main goal here is to find out what fear and rtz are lacking in their roles and get that fixed in time for the majors. ofc that doesn't mean they're not trying their best to win their games.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
GiveMeYourtTots
Profile Joined May 2014
990 Posts
October 17 2015 22:12 GMT
#1096
Thank god they have sumail and universe to carry them, Arteezy has been playing awful this entire tournament.
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
October 18 2015 13:15 GMT
#1097
On October 18 2015 07:12 GiveMeYourtTots wrote:
Thank god they have sumail and universe to carry them, Arteezy has been playing awful this entire tournament.


Arteezy has been playing well, just because he's not dominating does not mean he's playing bad.

Best thing so far is EG has played the most games (9) of anyone in the tournament, which they need to help learn the patch. I noticed in the last 2 games against VP especially, they went with more "6.85" heroes.

Things are only looking up for EG
NbSky
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada1023 Posts
October 18 2015 14:27 GMT
#1098
In the game of dota regardless of how good you are anything can happen, especially at the highest of levels there is no big difference between the best teams honestly speaking, one wrong team fight and the entire game changes.

That being said I do think most people have it spot on saying they just need to play together. Looking at VEGA and their run at TI, they had played the most games. Just getting the competition in and having "real" matches is the fastest way to learn, sure it comes with some growing pains as well but as long as you're consistently improving its all worth it. I'm not too worried about EG because I can see the growth, just hope its done in time for the major.
Sandstorm@USEast | The Last Pride [EviL] GW2 | Nb.Sky
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 18 2015 22:18 GMT
#1099
ForTehDarkseid where you at now? Why couldn't china hold back EG?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
October 18 2015 22:22 GMT
#1100
On October 17 2015 08:08 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Hey, what's people's excuse now?

Hey what's your excuse now?
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
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