• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:20
CET 14:20
KST 22:20
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation12Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion What happened to TvZ on Retro? Brood War web app to calculate unit interactions [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2173 users

Evil Geniuses Discussion - Page 105

Forum Index > Dota 2 Player & Team Discussion
Post a Reply
Prev 1 103 104 105 106 107 235 Next
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 09 2016 15:19 GMT
#2081
The weird part is that, for as much as the panels kept talking about Bulba, he really wasn't the problem. It was clearly the coordination with Aui. But what I don't get is why they didn't switch Fear to Carry, kick Aui (again, I know) and bring Zai in as #4. They've have kept their invite.

Granted, they'd have had to convince Aui of that. Which may not have been possible. At the same time, you've got a really focused ppd and company, so I expect them to work through the Qualifiers just fine. ppd clearly trusts the core group he's got together now, so there is that.

Though Team Secret's owner may have an interesting point. Universe did just blow up their direct invite.
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
June 09 2016 15:33 GMT
#2082
Then again, if u cannot win the open quals and wildcards, you wouldnt win TI...
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 09 2016 15:37 GMT
#2083
You can't really get angry with Universe when your team was the one that messed up every other team in the first place.
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
June 09 2016 15:44 GMT
#2084
I just realized all of the Charlie anger probably is because Kemal broke the news during Major. Seems it was supposed to be announced after it was finished base on Charlies tweets.
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 09 2016 15:54 GMT
#2085
Yeah which is Secret owner being very annoyed that his team is now on the ends of sabotage xd
hence #Abandoned

Wildcard is gonna be two spots right? Secret vs EG wildcard final xd
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 09 2016 15:57 GMT
#2086
On June 10 2016 00:44 Atoissen wrote:
I just realized all of the Charlie anger probably is because Kemal broke the news during Major. Seems it was supposed to be announced after it was finished base on Charlies tweets.


Very possible. During the Universe/RTZ & Aui/Bulba swaps, EG didn't comment until they did a formal one.
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
June 09 2016 15:59 GMT
#2087
On June 10 2016 00:19 Taf the Ghost wrote:
The weird part is that, for as much as the panels kept talking about Bulba, he really wasn't the problem. It was clearly the coordination with Aui. But what I don't get is why they didn't switch Fear to Carry, kick Aui (again, I know) and bring Zai in as #4. They've have kept their invite.

Granted, they'd have had to convince Aui of that. Which may not have been possible. At the same time, you've got a really focused ppd and company, so I expect them to work through the Qualifiers just fine. ppd clearly trusts the core group he's got together now, so there is that.

Though Team Secret's owner may have an interesting point. Universe did just blow up their direct invite.


Fear don't want to play carry because of health problems. His justification is carry requires more clicking than let's say support in that case as far as I know.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 09 2016 16:04 GMT
#2088
On June 10 2016 00:33 Atoissen wrote:
Then again, if u cannot win the open quals and wildcards, you wouldnt win TI...

I agree with you, but out there there is people who thinks a team that can be cheesed out can also beat everyone else in a tournament as big as TI. You can't blame them for dreaming.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 09 2016 16:05 GMT
#2089
On June 10 2016 00:59 Laserist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 00:19 Taf the Ghost wrote:
The weird part is that, for as much as the panels kept talking about Bulba, he really wasn't the problem. It was clearly the coordination with Aui. But what I don't get is why they didn't switch Fear to Carry, kick Aui (again, I know) and bring Zai in as #4. They've have kept their invite.

Granted, they'd have had to convince Aui of that. Which may not have been possible. At the same time, you've got a really focused ppd and company, so I expect them to work through the Qualifiers just fine. ppd clearly trusts the core group he's got together now, so there is that.

Though Team Secret's owner may have an interesting point. Universe did just blow up their direct invite.


Fear don't want to play carry because of health problems. His justification is carry requires more clicking than let's say support in that case as far as I know.


Fear said it is not
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
w1gga
Profile Joined June 2016
6 Posts
June 09 2016 16:06 GMT
#2090
Maelk also tweeted about universe rejoining eg, still not so sure about aui. Gonna feel for the guy if he gets the boot.
pellejohnson
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1931 Posts
June 09 2016 16:09 GMT
#2091
On June 10 2016 01:06 w1gga wrote:
Maelk also tweeted about universe rejoining eg, still not so sure about aui. Gonna feel for the guy if he gets the boot.

Why? He went back to the team that treated him poorly in the past. Also this time he hasn't even performed so this time it would make sense to kick him even from an outsiders viewpoint
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 09 2016 16:12 GMT
#2092
We'll have most of the details after everyone wakes up tomorrow. Though I imagine someone in the EG/GG/Amazon office is going to have some rather unfun contract issues to work out.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
June 09 2016 16:22 GMT
#2093
On June 10 2016 01:05 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 00:59 Laserist wrote:
On June 10 2016 00:19 Taf the Ghost wrote:
The weird part is that, for as much as the panels kept talking about Bulba, he really wasn't the problem. It was clearly the coordination with Aui. But what I don't get is why they didn't switch Fear to Carry, kick Aui (again, I know) and bring Zai in as #4. They've have kept their invite.

Granted, they'd have had to convince Aui of that. Which may not have been possible. At the same time, you've got a really focused ppd and company, so I expect them to work through the Qualifiers just fine. ppd clearly trusts the core group he's got together now, so there is that.

Though Team Secret's owner may have an interesting point. Universe did just blow up their direct invite.


Fear don't want to play carry because of health problems. His justification is carry requires more clicking than let's say support in that case as far as I know.

https://twitter.com/FearDotA/status/740817156175220737
Fear said it is not


after the aui pick up, i do remember ppd or fear saying that fear was going to stay support (a lot of people thought that fear would move back to carry when aui was picked up) because it was easier for him to practice as a support vs carry.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 09 2016 16:45 GMT
#2094
On June 10 2016 01:22 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 01:05 Pandemona wrote:
On June 10 2016 00:59 Laserist wrote:
On June 10 2016 00:19 Taf the Ghost wrote:
The weird part is that, for as much as the panels kept talking about Bulba, he really wasn't the problem. It was clearly the coordination with Aui. But what I don't get is why they didn't switch Fear to Carry, kick Aui (again, I know) and bring Zai in as #4. They've have kept their invite.

Granted, they'd have had to convince Aui of that. Which may not have been possible. At the same time, you've got a really focused ppd and company, so I expect them to work through the Qualifiers just fine. ppd clearly trusts the core group he's got together now, so there is that.

Though Team Secret's owner may have an interesting point. Universe did just blow up their direct invite.


Fear don't want to play carry because of health problems. His justification is carry requires more clicking than let's say support in that case as far as I know.

https://twitter.com/FearDotA/status/740817156175220737
Fear said it is not


after the aui pick up, i do remember ppd or fear saying that fear was going to stay support (a lot of people thought that fear would move back to carry when aui was picked up) because it was easier for him to practice as a support vs carry.


Yeah, it's one time I think the collective fan-base ended up being correct. Though generally for reasons they didn't get. It really was Aui's in-fight decision making that was a major weaklink.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 03:08:58
June 09 2016 16:56 GMT
#2095
On some thought, I have some sympathy for the Valve people that are about to get a terrible earful from some Team Organizations. Last place teams made 55k at TI5. If the same split happens, it'd still be about 30k at this moment. 7th/8th may be worth 1mil USD to each team, this year. Universe deciding to ditch just cost Team Secret a LOT of money, as they're far & away unlikely to make it out of the Regional Qualifiers.

Though what this ends up highlight was always one of the failure points of the Roster Lock system: 1 player can really screw over a bunch of teams.

At this point, more than 8 Invites is an utter question. Valve just lost 2 of the top 5 years of the year. One a Major winner and the other the most consistent team of the year & defending TI champions. That's not gone as planned.

One point I like to make on how tight High-End Dota can be for outcomes: at The Summit 4 Finals, game 2. I remember in the draft that ppd changed up his bans a little, but he didn't quite realize that Spirit Breaker was really the hero that was messing up EG the most. In game 3, it got banned, and EG went on to win the series 3-2. That 1 ban changed the winner of the LAN.

Pretty much, this entire roster shuffle likely doesn't happen if EG wins the high ground push in game 3 against LGD in the group stage. They'd have beaten Fnatic and then lost to Newbee. Ensure top 6 but probably lose to the winner of TL vs Na'Vi. All for some small decision making mistakes in 1 game.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 03:09:14
June 09 2016 17:11 GMT
#2096
Combined.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 09 2016 17:12 GMT
#2097
Please don't triple post
If you have more to say, Edit your previous post(s)
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
June 09 2016 17:33 GMT
#2098
What the Fuck
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-09 17:41:57
June 09 2016 17:40 GMT
#2099
universe is so smart, knew that there was no good offlaners in na and eg would take him back whenever and decided to take a couple months paid vacation to europe. now its time to go home.

if zai also returns to eg they might get another chance to win TI.
rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
June 09 2016 17:44 GMT
#2100
Fear's last several games on his main account are safelane carry games, for the little it's worth http://www.dotabuff.com/players/87177591
Prev 1 103 104 105 106 107 235 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
12:00
2025 Monthly #3: Day 4
Classic vs herOLIVE!
RotterdaM687
TKL 382
IndyStarCraft 219
SteadfastSC106
IntoTheiNu 86
Liquipedia
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Master Swan Open #98
CranKy Ducklings56
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 687
Reynor 465
TKL 382
IndyStarCraft 219
Rex 109
SteadfastSC 106
Railgan 40
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 36267
Rain 4082
Horang2 1550
Jaedong 1181
Mini 946
Shuttle 620
firebathero 474
EffOrt 433
Stork 431
BeSt 264
[ Show more ]
Last 245
Leta 188
Shinee 125
PianO 124
Barracks 76
Shine 72
Hyun 67
ggaemo 51
Hm[arnc] 51
Mong 50
JYJ48
sas.Sziky 30
JulyZerg 27
ToSsGirL 24
Movie 22
soO 22
sorry 21
Bale 16
Noble 14
HiyA 13
Sacsri 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
zelot 5
Dota 2
Gorgc5554
singsing2937
qojqva1171
Dendi975
XcaliburYe236
febbydoto19
Counter-Strike
oskar103
Other Games
FrodaN4573
B2W.Neo1805
Fuzer 221
KnowMe211
Lowko211
DeMusliM151
Pyrionflax130
Mew2King68
MindelVK13
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream8548
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream3100
Other Games
gamesdonequick575
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH144
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2011
• Ler30
League of Legends
• Stunt1074
Upcoming Events
IPSL
3h 40m
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
OSC
5h 40m
BSL 21
6h 40m
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
20h 40m
RSL Revival
20h 40m
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
22h 40m
Cure vs TBD
Reynor vs TBD
WardiTV Korean Royale
22h 40m
BSL 21
1d 6h
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
1d 6h
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
1d 9h
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
1d 22h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
BSL: GosuLeague
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
BSL: GosuLeague
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.